How many beliefs can you change in Christianity, if you still have 'total faith' in Jesus

[Ben Dhyan]

50% of people who use statistics use them correctly.

The remaining 75% don't.

"Reality will be present when you cease all thoughts." Finally....something I'm good at.

Perhaps God is infinite, and we're just outside of infinity watching Him?

"Your psychology studies are of this world's reality, the 5% part, proper religious practice will provide realization of reality beyond the physical." I think that I also have studies that are not a part of reality. In fact, my non-real qualifications outweigh my real qualifications.

As Mark Twain once said, we talk about the things that we did, and the things that we never did. Then, as we age, we forget the things that we did, and only remember the things that we never did.

"When a wise man points at the moon the foolish man examines the finger" Well, that depends on which finger. If it is a non-real finger, then it can point to a non-real object.

Very clever Clara Tea.

 

[sojourner]

KKK a Greek fraternity? They support each other. They all wear crosses and are devout Christians. They lynch Black people, or wrap them in chains and toss them in lakes and rivers.

As part of the religion of hate, they do their part as a brotherhood (like a fraternity....but one that hates Jews, Blacks, Gays, etc).

The KKK isn’t a college fraternity with a Greek name, and neither is the Orthodox Church a white supremacy group or a college fraternity. That was my whole point: the historic, creedal church (such as the Orthodox) has a higher degree of established doctrine and accountability than some extremist group that calls itself “Christian.” College fraternities also aren’t hate groups. I really don’t see how you can justify lumping them all in with extremists. Hate groups twist Christian values, speak lies as truth, and do violence. The Sig Chis and the Orthodox do not.

 

[sojourner]

Many churches allow anything to go as long as it is within the framework of religion.

For example, puritans had to work constantly (idle hands are the tools of the devil). But they had the choice of milking the cow, then grinding the wheat, or grinding the wheat then milking the cow. Complete freedom, see.

“Many churches” (such as the Puritans) are not historic/creedal. The historic/creedal churches curate the most authentic form of Xy.

 

[rational experiences]

"You ask did God destroy Christ itself in nature,?"

No, I didn't ask that. You asked that. But it would be easy for you to answer since it was your question in the first place. I think that they call that a strawman argument (you ask and answer the question).

You said did science own anti Christ.

Christ came out of God the earth.

I said you don't thesis anti God.

So yes you caused it by science.

Natural however is first owner of anything.

Natural changed was sciences effect.

The cause was machine and machine reaction as neither exist in nature.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I think chances are if one would say Paul was a heretic, their not likely to believe the gospel according to Paul. Or it one may think Paul was right on some things but taught heretical doctrine on others things. I'm not super familiar with the early Christian development though I have read a little bit. I don't remember hearing that Martin Luther wanted to remove James. I'm open to some book or video suggestions you may have concerning the development of Christianity.

There is an interesting lecture series I watched awhile ago by rabbi Micheal Skobac that analyzes the books of the James. Look that up in your search engine

 

[InChrist]

As noted elsewhere, pauls phony snake story
make me view him askance.

Why do you consider Paul’s account about the snake in particular, as “phony”?

 

[Audie]

Why do you consider Paul’s account about the snake in particular, as “phony”?

There's quite a list of details that are not plausible- none 100% impossible,
but so highly unlikely that in combination
its just too much " dog ate homework"

Its a seemingly simple story that should not
require such improbabilities and details that make no sense.
Real stories dont.

Start with the viper.

There are snakes on the island even a venomous one, but no vipers.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I may be wrong, but in identifying the 'axis mundi' of the general Christian faith, through having read many books and spent many years on forums, it seems to all come down to a core tenet of 'faith in Jesus,' when we try to arrive at something 'indisputable.' The act/state of faith, as far as I can tell, seems to be the most important to you. As well, it's also what mother told me as a kid, when I inquired what was most important

That is not what I am trying to debate, therefore. Though, if you take issue with this, could you please provide a short list of what you think is most important in the faith, so that I can see where 'faith' stands in it

My question considers the individual act/state of faith in Jesus (or whatever you think is most important) as superseding whatever else you believe, in importance, about your religion. And therefore granting you the redemption you want, in spite of anything else you might believe about anything else in the bible

For I have noticed that Christians will quickly get extremely creative with the whole corpus, while some notion of 'sola fide' remains quite constant. But in the next post, you might suddenly apply your own hermeneutics to a random verse in the book of revelation, for example, and describe an 'important' takeaway that I or no one else had ever heard of.

And you will be rather 'insistent,' though the oft random verses you prescribe great relevance to, might be in distant orbit, from that which you might all in common, call essential

So therefore, how creative can you get with the bible, while still revolving it around a solid faith in Jesus? Developing forms Christianity might have pruned out much of this, (the gnostic works getting canned etc.) but it is clear that any modern person who applies thought to the bible, and describes what they think, seems in reality unable not to apply subjective content to it, and to it add their own creativity

How much of that can you actually do. What if a person had the greatest faith in Jesus, and believed that they were saved, but believed Paul was the devil? Or that the book of revelation should be removed, or had just a touch of gnosticism in their other beliefs, or paganism?

And I would argue that anyone, any believer, who bothers to say anything at all about their Christianity, anything whatsoever besides what is literally written in the text, then says what they think about it in an inevitably altered way, even if subtly. And so adds to it

How creative can you get, while still setting all the other of your beliefs around the central core, which is faith in Jesus, as being the most redemptive and immutable in all of that? And if that is what you really think, then does it really matter at all, regarding anything you believe besides that?

Of course we get creative (as you wrote)--creativity is gift of God.

If you're rather referring to Bible doctrine, we have an advocate to trust, Jesus, and an enemy, who delights in promoting false doctrine.

 

[pearl]

Its simple. The snake story is absurd,
in detail after detail.
Didnt you ever notice?

Are you aware of Paul's own account of the 'snake story' other than Luke's?

 

[Audie]

Are you aware of Paul's own account of the 'snake story' other than Luke's?

Tell us.

And decide which island it was supposed to be on.

 

[pearl]

And decide which island it was supposed to be on.

I don't know that's why I asked the question. As with Paul's own account of his encounter with the risen Christ, if differs from Luke's more embellished account.

 

[Audie]

I don't know that's why I asked the question. As with Paul's own account of his encounter with the risen Christ, if differs from Luke's more embellished account.

That goes to credibility, for sure.

What does paul say

 

[Muffled]

Dear ideogenous,

The most fundamental part in Christian faith is that of [faith in] Christ as the ultimate ideal of how to live. One asks, what would Christ do here? And then, one tries as best one can to do that.

All else is secondary.


Humbly
Hermit

I believe that is just warmed over Judaism, not Christianity. I suppose people think that because it has Christian trappings.

 

[Muffled]

If you love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself, then you you are closer to Jesus than all the Christian denominations put together for they have all fallen short. You do not need approval from mere mortals as to how you express your love of God, just do it.

I believe that almost qualifies as humanism but also is Judaism.

 

[Muffled]

I believe there are two basic requirements to obtain eternal life which is the end game Jesus was pointing us to:

1. Accept the sacrifice for sin Jesus made on the cross
2. Receive Jesus as Lord and Savior

I believe all kinds of wrong beliefs won't matter much at the end but beliefs can affect the way a person lives his life. I believe it is better to live life in the light than in the darkness.

 

[Harel13]

I believe that almost qualifies as humanism but also is Judaism.

I don't. There is more to Judaism than loving God and being nice.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I don't. There is more to Judaism than loving God and being nice.

As many a Palestinian will doubtless confirm

 

[Harel13]

As many a Palestinian will doubtless confirm

What's a "Palestinian"?

 

[RestlessSoul]

What's a "Palestinian"?

Let’s not play that game, I’m not interested in discussing Middle East politics. I simply meant that if all the religions of the world put loving God and being nice at the top of their priority list, the world might be a better place.

 

[Harel13]

I’m not interested in discussing Middle East politics.

and yet:

I simply meant that if all the religions of the world put loving God and being nice at the top of their priority list, the world might be a better place.

Besides, is that not something that Christianity has been claiming for ages? So much for that.

With that said, some would argue that what we have going on with the Arabs goes beyond religion.