I love dharmic religions

[Spirit of Light]

I love dharmic religions. Why? Because of the teachings of karma and reincarnation is common sense.
The law of karma and reincarnation make also sense since it is both justice and mercy.
If God/ Gods really is both justice and love then reincarnation has to be true. And in the dharmic religions it is more important to be a good person than to believe in God/gods

Any thoughts? What do you think about what I wrote? Do you agree or disgree?

Follow your heart you will be guided to the path and teaching that is meant for you

 

[ameyAtmA]

You can say for simply believing differently, but really, from their viewpoint it's better expressed that God provides signs and proofs, turning way from his guidance is linked to rejecting Him.

The signs of God are various types. There are some that just indicate he exists, a designer exists, a soul proves a Creator for example, then his chosen ones are treasured signs of God that are linked to the fact they guide to who he is and what he is, they guide to his light as they are his light. The divine books all call to Authorities and leaders appointed by him as opposed to leaders chosen by humans themselves and to rely on who God attributes greatness and purity to as opposed to reputation of humans.

Rejecting God's signs especially his chosen ones, is an act of hate towards the light.

Why follow people with no proof of leadership and authority in religion as opposed to those who God provided proofs for?

It's because the soul doesn't want to submit to the light. The darkness wants to remain what it has chosen to be, and be accepted for that choice, well no one forced us to choose who and what we are, so it's better to feel ashamed and admit we are wrong and let the light take over us.

Sooooo uninformed. So pathetically uninformed.

Making your own assumptions as premises and then knocking them down.

But wait.... are we not on RF? Then who am I kidding? A majority of content on RF is uninformed.

 

[Link]

Sooooo uninformed. So pathetically uninformed.

Making your own assumptions as premises and then knocking them down.

But wait.... are we not on RF? Then who am I kidding? A majority of content on RF is uninformed.

The OP is saying Islam doesn't accept a person who reject God and his chosen (implicit as they use to be and maybe still are Muslim). Hinduism does. I'm trying to show the philosophy of why God doesn't accept those who reject his treasured signs and why that is unforgivable in Islam.

 

[Ashoka]

You can say for simply believing differently, but really, from their viewpoint it's better expressed that God provides signs and proofs, turning way from his guidance is linked to rejecting Him.

The signs of God are various types. There are some that just indicate he exists, a designer exists, a soul proves a Creator for example, then his chosen ones are treasured signs of God that are linked to the fact they guide to who he is and what he is, they guide to his light as they are his light. The divine books all call to Authorities and leaders appointed by him as opposed to leaders chosen by humans themselves and to rely on who God attributes greatness and purity to as opposed to reputation of humans.

Rejecting God's signs especially his chosen ones, is an act of hate towards the light.

Why follow people with no proof of leadership and authority in religion as opposed to those who God provided proofs for?

It's because the soul doesn't want to submit to the light. The darkness wants to remain what it has chosen to be, and be accepted for that choice, well no one forced us to choose who and what we are, so it's better to feel ashamed and admit we are wrong and let the light take over us.

Believing that someone is evil for believing differently than you is wrong, and as I said, it is the result of war and genocide. Look at what radical Muslims do to Christians, Yezidi's and other faiths in the Middle East. Look at what the Catholic Church did to the Cathars. It's all because, "they are different than me, so they must be evil. Killing them is good, because they are evil."

That way of thinking proves to be a slippery slope towards killing each other.

 

[Link]

Believing that someone is evil for believing differently than you is wrong, and as I said, it is the result of war and genocide. Look at what radical Muslims do to Christians, Yezidi's and other faiths in the Middle East. Look at what the Catholic Church did to the Cathars. It's all because, "they are different than me, so they must be evil. Killing them is good, because they are evil."

That way of thinking proves to be a slippery slope towards killing each other.

That's an extreme policy, it's not necessarily implied people who believe you must accept God and his guidance, that they will kill you or force you to religion.

There is extreme examples of almost every type of faith or even lack of it (atheism has it's villains too in history).

 

[ameyAtmA]

The OP is saying Islam doesn't accept a person who reject God and his chosen (implicit as they use to be and maybe still are Muslim). Hinduism does. I'm trying to show the philosophy of why God doesn't accept those who reject his treasured signs and why that is unforgivable in Islam.

She also said something else that went hand in hand : Hinduism emphasizes on dharma as in -- be good.
Guess what -- goodness is automatically following dharma and hence God. "Reject God" is ignorance, but what the OP means is not worshipping in conventional style.

The real God - Brahman does not have ego. Even avatars of VishNu do not have ego.
It is ok if you do not worship Me, but just do not derail into evil. Stay in Goodness and divine qualities. The wise realize it is difficult without taking His shelter, so they do indeed.

 

[firedragon]

I love dharmic religions. Why? Because of the teachings of karma and reincarnation is common sense.
The law of karma and reincarnation make also sense since it is both justice and mercy.
If God/ Gods really is both justice and love then reincarnation has to be true. And in the dharmic religions it is more important to be a good person than to believe in God/gods

Any thoughts? What do you think about what I wrote? Do you agree or disgree?

Why should reincarnation be true? Do you mean because everyone should get a second chance?

 

[Link]

She also said something else that went hand in hand : Hinduism emphasizes on dharma as in -- be good.
Guess what -- goodness is automatically following dharma and hence God. "Reject God" is ignorance, but what the OP means is not worshipping in conventional style.

The real God - Brahman does not have ego. Even avatars of VishNu do not have ego.
It is ok if you do not worship Me, but just do not derail into evil. Stay in Goodness and divine qualities. The wise realize it is difficult without taking His shelter, so they do indeed.

I understand. In Islam, the choice to reject God is there, but has severe consequences. God is severe and quick in retribution. And I believe this because I believe in justice.

And for those who submit to God, there are no more trials after the first death. They are rewarded paradise forever.

All our actions are linked to a forever nature, because God is absolute and we are linked to him (somehow connected).

There is various speeds of evil, lengths of evil, levels of rebellion and falling, but all of them will take on perpetual nature of consequence since the eternal first and last light was there with us, connected to us, our sins are also perpetual.

They get doubled and redoubled in punishment, depending on the speed of rebellion. Everyone in hell get's multiplied in punishment, because our actions actually have infinite value.

Good actions are act towards God and drawing close. The more we have of them, the more speed we have towards God and more rewards multiply in speed. The more evil, the more distance and severe the punishment multiply in hell.

We have a different outlook on justice. However, I'm addressing the issue is it possible to be good while turning away from God and his doors? I don't believe so, because we are turning to darkness and many versions of it away from the light when we do.

Why reject God's chosen leaders who have proof for leaders with no proof? Again, an act of hate (from Islamic perspective).

Acts are either running away from God or running towards him. The states we die in as a result of our actions, is how we will travel in the next world. God is just and I believe in justice absolutely.

 

[firedragon]

I think you should seek insights. If something is proven to you follow it. But don't follow something just because you like it better.

The soul combines truth and also desires falsehood. The cure for that is to overcome it with proofs and insights.

Brother. Some hindu philosophies dont believe in a soul.

 

[SalixIncendium]

How does the law of karma and reincarnation provide mercy?

Dharmic actions offset bad karma that resulted from adharmic actions.

 

[SalixIncendium]

What is the point. We are God, we started off being God, there was nowhere to go grow and evolve until and unless God had some sort of break down and split up into billions of pieces, none of which were God as before. There was no point to the whole thing in the first place.

The point is, from a dharmic perspective, we are ignorant to the fact that we are God, and through the yogas, bhakti, karma, and jnana, this ignorance can be shed.

 

[Martin]

Can you explain? In what way do you think dharmic religions is more civilised? I'm Just curious

Dharmic traditions have been around longer, and have had more time to "mature". Also Dharmic traditions generally seem more inclined to wisdom than the Abrahamic ones, and less inclined to intolerance.

 

[ameyAtmA]

We have a different outlook on justice. However, I'm addressing the issue is it possible to be good while turning away from God and his doors? I don't believe so, because we are turning to darkness and many versions of it away from the light when we do.

Exactly! Therein lies the catch-22 as I mentioned earlier.
The wise realize it is nigh impossible to stay on an elevated platform of spiritual goodness without taking shelter of God.
Brahman gives you the option to do it on your own but can you? That is the point.

However, OP is not Hindu and not scripture.
Those Bramhan-vAdis who abide in the Oneness of Brahman and may say "I do not do any puja to form of God" are either

(i) already on that purified elevated platform from many lives of polishing which they do not remember, to be now shining gold and abiding in Brahman. This is jnAna yoga.

OR

(ii) They could very well be deluded, and in mAyA and the dangerous slippery slope of falling off-track into less-than-goodness is quite there. They have to be careful.

So the choice is ours -- be the manjara -- let God carry you like cat carries kitten
OR
Make your own efforts. Like the baby monkey that makes its own efforts to hold onto Mother (God)
OR
Now you are the grown-up monkey - all on your own but with the virtues imbibed

--
Point is, let's not mix up those on the dhArmic good platform (who implicitly are best abiding in God and radiating His virtues)
with
The ignorant ones who simply reject

These are 2 different things.

 

[Link]

Exactly! Therein lies the catch-22 as I mentioned earlier.
The wise realize it is nigh impossible to stay on an elevated platform of spiritual goodness without taking shelter of God.
Brahman gives you the option to do it on your own but can you? That is the point. The funny thing is that the "good atheists" are unknowingly following the dharma and hence IN Brahman. Don't tell them that

However, OP is not Hindu and not scripture.
Those Bramhan-vAdis who abide in the Oneness of Brahman and may say "I do not do any puja to form of God" are either

(i) already on that purified elevated platform from many lives of polishing, to be now shining gold and abiding in Brahman. This is jnAna yoga.

OR

(ii) They could very well be deluded, and in mAyA and the dangerous slippery slope of falling off-track into less-than-goodness is quite there. They have to be careful.

So the choice is ours -- be the manjara -- let God carry you like cat carries kitten
OR
Make your own efforts. Like the baby monkey that holds onto God
OR
Now you are the grown-up monkey - all on your own but with the virtues embibed

--
Point is, let's not mix up those on the dhArmic good platform (who implicitly are best abiding in God and radiating His virtues)
with
The ignorant ones who simply reject

These are 2 different things.

I think we also have a different outlook at what it means to worship God. I believe God has provided scripture, but scripture calls to a reality known as God's face or name, and that is how to connect to him.

The face of God is not something we choose, so we don't get to choose who represents in the outward world (leaders, gurus, avatars, etc) or inward world (Angels, Spirits, gods, etc), but have to find those who he sent with proofs.

We have to find proofs - because the intentions has to be to submit to God.

There is no doubt spirituality in spiritual realms that Jinn provide and the Jinn all like humans believe they are guided. Quran describes Devils as leading astray while believing they are guided.

This thought that Satan and his forces are malicious is true and untrue. Deep inside, the intention of Iblis and his forces, is they deceive themselves and want everyone to deviate with their non-submission. It's the same intention of disbelievers (who believe they are guided), when Quran says they wish you to leave it as they leave it, or abandon as they abandon. But they are not evil in the sense they tell themselves let's go harm others and misguide others purposely. They tell themselves they are good.

For us who can detect energies, we have to make a choice. Do we trust every person who talks about energy because of reputation of humans or do we seek a proofs from God.

I believe in this time, Quran towers over all literature and provides proof to follow the Messenger and Possessors of the Authority that are his successors.

I believe God can provide miracles, but in this time, has hidden them because of what previous generations did with them and with their followers, but last left the Quran as a miracle.

God is capable of providing proof.

It's not that I doubt Gurus have mystic levels of experience and that they enter realms that are no doubt real, it's these sky realities and realms, are not of the light, they are mixed of darkness and light. And the beings providing psychic powers etc, to their followers, are not reliable holy spirits, but they themselves are not malicious, they want to guide humans too.

At the end, though, these beings - be they called gods or otherwise, or sons or daughters of God, to me, they witness the holy spirit in God's chosen Prophets, Messengers, and holy ladies, and Guides, and also witness the Angels that are chosen, yet they in arrogance think they are above that for similar reasons people rejecting Islamic morality.

But with the Jinn, the case of responding to the caller of God is more serious and more binding since they all witness the light of God and his forces.

Relying on these beings to see you are and witness who you are, is also, a source of blindness. We need to see with the proof of God's light and judgment.

Quran combines somethings our souls wish for and likes, and other judgments, we wish for example were not true. I'm sure a lot of Muslims wish they can marry polytheists or people who don't believe in sex after marriage and so do zina and never repent to it and hence forbidden, but we submit to God's guidance in that regard. We see the reasoning, not just what we wish for.

Some of us we have a hard time with the notion of hell. Of course, who wants humans going there? But justice is a reality. God is quick and severe in retribution, we can't change who God nor should we want to but be pleased and happy with who he is.

How to know the truth though? To me I choose to give God a chance, and found Quran reliable and the family of that reminder a reliable means with it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The best we can do is to let @Starlight94 deside what religious beliefs is right to her. To say, you cannot or should not believe so because it goes against the God "I believe in" isn't going to help a seeker finding their path.
All we can do is to say, be careful on your path, stay safe and ask for guidance when you doubt your understanding.

 

[Link]

The best we can do is to let @Starlight94 deside what religious beliefs is right to her. To say, you cannot or should not believe so because it goes against the God "I believe in" isn't going to help a seeker finding their path.
All we can do is to say, be careful on your path, stay safe and ask for guidance when you doubt your understanding.

Salam

Brother, she asked for our thoughts. She talking about judgmental God vs non-judgmental God, this is a propaganda that is everywhere now. I'm defending to the best of my ability why I believe in a Just and yes Judgmental God.

Why I believe it is evil to turn away from God's guidance and go other then his doors. Why need to seek proof for guidance.

She asked for our thoughts. This what she wants. She is looking for a philosophical debate about the points she raised.

I believe in severe retribution and intense grace as a reward, because, life is a test. It's obvious it it is. And Justice is not possible in this endless chances of lives and that at the end everyone get's enlightened same station. Doesn't make sense to me brother but more importantly, it is about providing feedback to the OP about it.

 

[Vinayaka]

I think you should seek insights. If something is proven to you follow it. But don't follow something just because you like it better.

The soul combines truth and also desires falsehood. The cure for that is to overcome it with proofs and insights.

Very often the insights one receives, no matter which religion it is, makes one like it better. So what comes first, the insights, or the liking?

 

[Vinayaka]

The best we can do is to let @Starlight94 deside what religious beliefs is right to her. To say, you cannot or should not believe so because it goes against the God "I believe in" isn't going to help a seeker finding their path.
All we can do is to say, be careful on your path, stay safe and ask for guidance when you doubt your understanding.

She put it in the debates forum. That must be for a reason.

 

[Vinayaka]

Christianity and Islam teach this; they teach that you are evil for simply believing differently, and this has been the cause and the excuse of many wars and genocides throughout the ages. We forget we are brothers and sisters, that we live on this earth together. We are actually one family, but Abrahamic religions (except Judaism) seek to divide.

This is another of the really strong differences between east and west, and it goes to practical things. As an example ... In an interfaith marriage between Hindu and Christian, if the couple has 2 weddings, the Hindu parents go to both, while the Christian parents only go to one.

Dharmic: Your religion is different than mine, good for you, and I'm happy you found it.
Abrahamic: Your religion is evil, and you're going to hell.

It's a PROFOUND difference.

 

[Ashoka]

This is another of the really strong differences between east and west, and it goes to practical things. As an example ... In an interfaith marriage between Hindu and Christian, if the couple has 2 weddings, the Hindu parents go to both, while the Christian parents only go to one.

Dharmic: Your religion is different than mine, good for you, and I'm happy you found it.
Abrahamic: Your religion is evil, and you're going to hell.

It's a PROFOUND difference.

It really is. I feel like Abrahamic faiths tend towards separating in us vs them mentality. It's very sad.