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What reward did Jesus receive for his sacrifice as God on earth?

Bree

Active Member
Hebrews 10:12 But this man offered one sacrifice for sins for all time and sat down at the right hand of God,+
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
God wasnt on earth, Jesus was. The bible is clear--No man has ever seen God. As well Acts 2:22-- God did it all through Jesus.

I believe the Bible is quite clear; Jesus is God in the flesh and even though that is true still no-one saw God. The body which can be seen is not God.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I'm confused. You identify as a Christian, yet you don't believe Jesus had an afterlife during the time he was in the grave? Mind you, I'm not expressing my own beliefs here. I'm simply asking you to clarify yours. Thanks.

I believe in those three days He is what He always was: the omnipresent God. So I would not say He was in the grave. His body was in the grave. Yes that is a very short afterlife but it is not His current condition.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
It is fact. The Hebrew word-Sheol= the Greek word Hades= The english word Hell. Sheol translates the grave. The Greek word-Hades translates the grave. Thus hell translates-the grave. Gods word is clear-Jesus was in Hades-The grave for 3 days. Proving this comma placing error in Jesus words to the thief.
Truly i tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.= error.
Truly i tell you today, you will be with me in paradise. = correct

The book of revelation is clear-The ressurection occurs after Har-mageddon comes to this earth. It has not occurred yet. Nor has the ressurection so he could not be in paradise on the day of his death. As that comma error suggests.

I believe the word is clear but is not correct. It comes from the fact that the apostles could verify that the body was in the grave. The Spirit was everywhere.

I believe however that there is a first fruit rapture of living Jews before the conflagration overtakes their land from what Revelation says.

I believe we do not know what or where paradise is. I believe it still could be true because Jesus having returned to the pure state of the Spirit of God is everywhere.
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
I believe the Bible is quite clear; Jesus is God in the flesh and even though that is true still no-one saw God. The body which can be seen is not God.
You are quite right that ‘God was on earth’! But that is poetic speech!

God TAUGHT Jesus what to say and do. Do you agree that the scriptures says so?

Do you agree that Jesus said:
  • ‘The words you hear me say are not mine but those of Him who sent me!’ (Luke 14:24)
What did Jesus say about doing the works of God: refer to John 9:4 and John 10:37.

Jesus is doing the works of him who sent him….
Jesus is doing the works of his spiritual Father….
Jesus doing the works of God….

Jesus is not doing his own works….
He is not saying his own words….
He is saying and doing that which the God of Heaven taught him to do and say!

Do you not read that God said he would send a saviour…. Do you not sing sings which say, ‘Christ the Lord, our saviour is born!’ (Or words TK that effect!)

Do you not read at John 17:3 where Jesus tells you that there is only one true God: the Father. And that eternal life depends on believing that the Father is that one true God…

And that same eternal Life dependents on believing that God sent Jesus.

Do you believe that God sent Jesus?

And WHEN did God send Jesus?:
  • “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.“ (Acts 10:37-38)
  • “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.” (John 17:18)
But not only that… the glory God gave to Jesus, Jesus gave of it to his disciples:
  • “I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—” (John 17:22)
So, if you are going to say that Jesus is God, then you would also need to say that Jesus’ disciples are also God!

But of course you won’t and cannot say so! You can only try to convince yourself that there is a difference!!! Jesus doesn’t think so, though:
  • “May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.” (John 17:21)
Can you answer all of my questions!

Failure to answer with credible, reverent, righteous, truthful words renders you untrustworthy in the truth.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
I believe the Bible is quite clear; Jesus is God in the flesh and even though that is true still no-one saw God. The body which can be seen is not God.


Funny Jesus didnt know that-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--someone is lying. It isnt Jesus, its these teachers-2Corinthians 11:12-15
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
I believe the word is clear but is not correct. It comes from the fact that the apostles could verify that the body was in the grave. The Spirit was everywhere.

I believe however that there is a first fruit rapture of living Jews before the conflagration overtakes their land from what Revelation says.

I believe we do not know what or where paradise is. I believe it still could be true because Jesus having returned to the pure state of the Spirit of God is everywhere.


The remaining little flock( Luke 12:32) will go to heaven during the tribulation--this the bride of Christ. they are numbered-Rev 14:3= 144,000
The other sheep( great crowd which no man can number) is not promised heaven anywhere.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
The New Testament scriptures profile Jesus Christ as the Saviour, the prophesied Messiah, of mankind.

The scriptures state that he received a reward, a prize, that awaited him on his accomplishment as the Saviour.

What was that reward, that prize, he received from his God and Father?
The main prize of Jesus is his bride the church.

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
The New Testament scriptures profile Jesus Christ as the Saviour, the prophesied Messiah, of mankind.

The scriptures state that he received a reward, a prize, that awaited him on his accomplishment as the Saviour.

What was that reward, that prize, he received from his God and Father?


Jesus received a kingship( Daniel 7:13-15)-- As well his bride= the little flock( Luke 12:32) Rev 14:3--they are numbered-144,000, will sit on thrones beside Jesus ruling as kings and priests helping judge even the fallen angels. Rev 1:6-- Rev 20:6-- rule with him for 1000 years. But then Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself.1Corinthians15:24-28-- Do you know why Jesus must do this, because he is not God.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Jesus received a kingship( Daniel 7:13-15)-- As well his bride= the little flock( Luke 12:32) Rev 14:3--they are numbered-144,000, will sit on thrones beside Jesus ruling as kings and priests helping judge even the fallen angels. Rev 1:6-- Rev 20:6-- rule with him for 1000 years. But then Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself.1Corinthians15:24-28-- Do you know why Jesus must do this, because he is not God.
Jesus was never a king of anyone, which is one of the reasons he can't possibly be the messiah.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Jesus was never a king of anyone, which is one of the reasons he can't possibly be the messiah.

He sits on his throne in heaven now. He is coming soon to wipe all the wicked off of Gods earth. The prophecys are occurring before everybodys eyes, they cannot see because the wicked live in darkness.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
He sits on his throne in heaven now. He is coming soon to wipe all the wicked off of Gods earth. The prophecys are occurring before everybodys eyes, they cannot see because the wicked live in darkness.
What he does or does not do in heaven is irrelevant. He was never a king over anyone here on earth, not King of the Jews, not King of the Smurfs, not king of anyone.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
What he does or does not do in heaven is irrelevant. He was never a king over anyone here on earth, not King of the Jews, not King of the Smurfs, not king of anyone.


So then you are calling Gods inspired writers liars then. Thats just like calling God the liar.
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
So then you are calling Gods inspired writers liars then. Thats just like calling God the liar.
Too harsh. It’s true that Jesus was never king of the Jews ON EARTH. It was the Jews who presented that image as if Jesus was coming to overthrow Caesar.

But Jesus stated clearly to Pontius Pilate that his, (Jesus’) kingdom was not an earthly kingdom:
  • ‘Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”’ (John 18:36)
But to say he was not (future) King of the Jews is not true, as shown in the very next verse:
  • ‘“You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”’ (John 18:37)
Jesus takes his seat as king on the spiritual throne if king David after all things prophesied have been fulfilled…. Then comes the end….
 
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74x12

Well-Known Member
What he does or does not do in heaven is irrelevant. He was never a king over anyone here on earth, not King of the Jews, not King of the Smurfs, not king of anyone.
Pilate thought he was. The fact is he was a king and they killed him. The reason his crown was thorns was because it symbolized the fallen fortunes of the line of David as in Psalm 89 which is prophetic of the line of David was was cast off and abhorred by God. Taken prisoner to Babylon Zedekiah was completely left childless and Jeconiah's line instead would carry on the kingship. However, none of his descendants would ever prosper as kings in Jerusalem as per the curse of Coniah. Zerubbabel was prince of the city but never crowned king for a reason.

Jesus came in the line of Coniah ... who by the way is the only rightful and true kingly lineage. Anyone coming from another line is not; even if they are of the seed of the David. But that's another story.

So this brings us to Jesus' crown of thorns. It was symbolic of the curse of Coniah. It's a crown alright but it's a curse not a blessing. Long gone is the crown of gold that God put on David. (Psalm 21:3) Jesus had to put to the curse of Coniah to death in himself. And so he bore it and died to it. This way he could rise from the dead free from it and he also put all curses of mankind to death in himself and rose from the dead free from them all. This is the power of Jesus who is the real heir to the throne and the descendant of king Jeconiah.

So no one can reign from that line; because he's still under the curse of Coniah. He will never prosper unless he like Jesus hopes to rise from the dead. But Jesus already did and is the real Messiah. So he can now reign and restore the fallen fortunes of David.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Jesus sits on the right hand right now fulfilling Psalm 110. All power is given to him in heaven and earth. There is nothing he isn't ruling over.
Psalm 110 describes David, not the messiah. Sitting at God's right hand indicates how close you are to God, it does not make you a ruler.
 
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