Near Death experiences and the scientific method.

[SkepticThinker]

People do great things in their lives, but it should last. As I said, intuitively everyone knows they will live after death.

I don't. So that's wrong.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Made up claims not relevant to this discussion seems to be a diversion tactic. What about NDEs, have you experience one? If not, whatever you say is merely your reactive belief as an atheist.

People actually claim to have seen bigfoot.
People actually claim to have been abducted by aliens.

It was a very relevant point, and imho, you've sidestepped it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Sure it is a claim, a claim that there is no God!

Nope.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So now you tell me that I did not experience the experience I experienced.

Nobody is saying you didn't have an experience.

It's the "explanation" being given for the experience that is being questioned.

I don't understand why this is so confusing.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I believe what I personally experience, not what science or religion tells me to believe.

But you've interpreted it as a religious/spiritual experience. Why is that?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You say atheists do not find a reason to believe, what is it they do not believe in?

God(s).

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I can explain objectively but atheists do not believe, God is all that exists, known and unknown.

Are you saying that you have to believe in God to know that God exists? What do you mean by your last statement? From my perspective it is a claim without support. A belief that cannot be verified objectively.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I not asking, I'm explaining in common language that atheists reject God, period.. I don't play word games!

You are talking about two different things as if they were one. I have explained that, yet you do not seem to recognize it and continue on as if there is no difference.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I know it is hard for some to believe NDEs are real because of many things. This might help a little.

I don't doubt that the phenomenon exists. But you haven't presented evidence that your conclusions about them are valid.

 

[Lekatt]

I don't doubt that the phenomenon exists. But you haven't presented evidence that your conclusions about them are valid.

I don't think that is possible. I know they are real, that's what matters.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

God(s).

So you confirm that atheists reject the belief in the reality represented by the concept of God/s.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Are you saying that you have to believe in God to know that God exists? What do you mean by your last statement? From my perspective it is a claim without support. A belief that cannot be verified objectively.

Ahem, yes, logic says that you obviously are not going to actually know God simultaneously with not believing in God.
It means what it says, God is omnipresent, there is not one part of Dan from Smithville, seen and unseen, known and unknown, that is not of God. The physical universe which is 5% of all that exists is merely the manifestation of God, the rest is unobservable to human senses.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I just explained to you, in the very post you are replying to, that it isn't.

Again, you should pay more attention.

Ok, let's clear this up, yes or no, do you believe or disbelieve in the existence of a reality represented by the concept of God?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

But you've interpreted it as a religious/spiritual experience. Why is that?

It is not possible to convey the experience of transcendence to someone who has not realized it, it is a subjective experience. As to why it is interpreted as a religious/spiritual experience, it is because it fits the description of things one sees in most religious teachings. Out of body/expanded consciousness, bliss and peace beyond understanding, beyond thought, a sense of oneness with all that exists. You need to understand though that it is not 'I' the ego mind that experience any of these things, ie, ben d, it is the transcendent state of mind, for all intents and purposes the ego mind does not arise during a true religious experience. Self identification transitions from the human body to the transcendence state of universal being.

Now it is a given that you are free to disbelieve or some such, I understand and do not mean to try and persuade anyone to believe me, what I do say is that anyone who wants proof may do the practice and the results will speak for themselves.

 

[rational experiences]

If you preach science as just a human then preach it.

Men with invention use earths atmosphere to transmit any type of image recorded to and by machines.

We all know it's happening we see it tv...computer...phones.

So the natives once said you are not allowed to take a photo it steals my spirit.

Pretty basic what would a scientist theist pretend he knew about why an atmosphere could steal your spirit.

Maybe it's energy he says. I always want new energy for new ideas to be a greedy liar.

Is the human teaching. Look at why just a human is asking so many questions.

The scientist.

It is science who argues what is God and I want God. It isn't humans who just accept life is natural I live I die.

So science argues against science. As science a human practice once never existed asking fake questions themselves.

As they taught. You hear father's man voice and see his image in the heavens as science changed the state of all things earthly in machine conversions. Adult men living first.

Introduced it as a theist machine builder scientist.

As mass is not a human controlled designed machine by human thought.

A machine owns no self volition.

Man did it to his self.

Today all he is doing is asking our opinion about what the causes are.

So you ask why.

Any advice he thinks he can use against us he seeks.

The correct reason why.

When men knew machines caused the phenomena state.

He then takes it one step beyond claiming God the machine alien did it.

So we have to say did you try to anti remove life as a human being life human inside the heavens.

Yes is his answer. Thesis about not wanting to exist himself.

Reason babies born by human sex biology die. Nature supported equal life C 100 years the advice. Adult human the scientist did not support a baby being able to regrow into a new adult.

The advice.

We were only a human first.

As animals did not own machine thesis then you should realise we are all experiencing his time shift thesis that began just in a naturally owned human head first. The thinker.

And it has not stopped being felt as a human men group chose to cause the effect to self.

To time shift human life water oxygen ownership. So he proved instead he caused water mass shifting the advice.

We just die irradiated in chemistry not life biolgical supported. Our experience. Human only.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I don't. So that's wrong.

I too do not believe in rebirth, reincarnation or resurrection. It is so wrong even while claiming to be a staunch Hindu. Religions should not teach to false beliefs.

So you confirm that atheists reject the belief in the reality represented by the concept of God/s.

I believe it is nowhere near reality, it s only your imagination and belief since you cannot offer any evidence.

The physical universe which is 5% of all that exists is merely the manifestation of God, the rest is unobservable to human senses.

If you are talking of dark energy and dark matter, there are reasons to believe in it and investigate it further. But as for God, there is no evidence even to investigate.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I too do not believe in rebirth, reincarnation or resurrection. It is so wrong even while claiming to be a staunch Hindu.

Religions should not teach to false beliefs.I believe it is nowhere near reality, it s only your imagination and belief since you cannot offer any evidence.

If you are talking of dark energy and dark matter, there are reasons to believe in it and investigate it further. But as for God, there is no evidence even to investigate.

Brahman is the all, there is nothing that is not Brahman. You are very welcome to your belief that the reality represented by the concept of Brahman does not exist, even though the objective universe is before you and of which you are a part, all of which is the manifested creation of Brahman.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Brahman has no need to create anything and does not create anything. Brahman is not a God.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Brahman has no need to create anything and does not create anything. Brahman is not a God.

All that is is Brahman, nothing exists that is not Brahman.

 

[rational experiences]

Dark is clear. A state of non burning hence energy converting is energetic burning status. As we live by light and also clear gas. Non burning.

You look through clearly not darkly. Wait a minute the scientists mind thesis is quite dark in reality. Not clear.

As science does not get energy unless they destroy heat convert cold mass.

So if science first thesis said God the stone is dead as science. He is a human alive making claims about gods form.

Energy how to get it.

So he theories gods body is dead but internally it is still alive as it is energetic reactive. So it is dead resurrected as a body. Reincarnated.

A human gets born by human sex as life returned. All of us by thousands of years lived and died by human sex conditions.

Never ever the first two humans life.

Remembering first intent.

A human existed
A human calculated.
A human thought thesis I want science as the practice.

And it was first only all about earth.

Not self. As you would be a mental health owner to theory a human came about by a reaction. Energy released. Hot state.

Man's first theory gods stone tomb the entombed energy is dead. So after thousand of human fake thoughts all recorded today you agree God the dead earth is dark energy. As it is not alight.

Yet notice thinking goes everywhere about anything and everything. Never just one exact topic only.

Not yet alive burning. It is dead and dark earth. Yet earth is seen in and because of natural light. Gases not alight either as we would be burnt to death.

As you are just a human living inside a heavens of no space standing on a planet where your evil partner in life a machine you designed. Is sciences partner.

By mother maths. You and your machine procreator fake satanisms.

Why today you have sex with robots.

So theism was first only about the dead non reactive mass of stone. As internal life of God in body still existed.

Why your brother said God was the rock. So you couldn't blame the natural life human holy man.

As you destroyed life when not a volcano but a variety volcanic conversion erupted out of stones body.

Volcano thesis back in time when no gas existed first. To chemistry first was a shell. It certainly did not change into any shell.