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Man Shoots At Cops In Self Defense, & Is Cleared

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Boston cops go "hunting" in unmarked vehicle, shooting &
ramming random people. Man licensed to carry fires back,
defending himself. Surprisingly, he's not prosecuted.
Government defends cops' brutal actions.

Beware, people....most cops are bad cops.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Boston cops go "hunting" in unmarked vehicle, shooting &
ramming random people. Man licensed to carry fires back,
defending himself. Surprisingly, he's not prosecuted.
Government defends cops' brutal actions.

Beware, people....most cops are bad cops.

Finally some good news about an person's right to defend himself against rouge cops! :)
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Boston cops go "hunting" in unmarked vehicle, shooting &
ramming random people. Man licensed to carry fires back,
defending himself. Surprisingly, he's not prosecuted.
Government defends cops' brutal actions.

Beware, people....most cops are bad cops.
I trust these cops have been sacked, and their commanders
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Boston cops go "hunting" in unmarked vehicle, shooting &
ramming random people. Man licensed to carry fires back,
defending himself. Surprisingly, he's not prosecuted.
Government defends cops' brutal actions.

Beware, people....most cops are bad cops.

Without the video footage, this guy would have been toast.
Bad cops like these give all cops a bad name. I hope these cops get severe punishments.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The lawsuit alleges, among other things, that:

  • Officers involved provided false accounts of the incident, and omitted facts that supported Stallings' claim of self-defense.
  • The officers deliberately concealed their appearance so they could "hunt" civilians by sneaking up and shooting them with rubber bullets.
  • Stallings' fourth amendment rights were violated when officers used excessive force.
  • Officers violated Stallings’ Equal Protection Clause rights by targeting him and other Black civilians with force and accusing Black civilians of engaging in felonious conduct without evidentiary support.
  • Supervising officers not only knew of these violations, the lawsuit maintains they condoned and encouraged them. Recordings show supervisors ordering officers to prioritize and use force against their community.
  • Violations like the incident May 30 are part of a pattern of constitutional violations by the MPD.
Stallings is asking for a jury trial, and seeks unspecified compensation for his injuries, compensatory and punitive damages, and attorneys fees, among other things. The lawsuit also seeks to mandate changes in policies and procedures of the Minneapolis Police Department to prevent further violations of constitutionally protected rights.
Jaleel Stallings files civil lawsuit against MPD, officers | kare11.com


The problem I see here is I don't see that these police will face any criminal charges.
 

Suave

Simulated character
The use of "most" demands statistical proof because there's a vast gap between 'many' and 'most'.

Not just a few bad apples, U.S. police kill civilians at a much higher rate than how often police of other nations kill their civilians.

Not just “a few bad apples”: U.S. police kill civilians at much higher rates than other countries

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Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Would not the system work better if police did not have qualified immunity ?

Qualified immunity does not prevent the police from facing civil charge but it sets a pretty high bar.
I think I'd rather that they face criminal charges like the rest of us. I think the bigger problem is that the legal system tends to be biased in favor of members that are part of its system. I see this comradery between Judges, prosecutors and officers. They are more willing to accept the truth of the claims by the people who work in the legal system when lacking a preponderance of evidence.
We need better oversight, a better system of accountability. Getting rid of qualified immunity I don't think will affect our current system that much. I suspect it is more a talking point to quell the public.
 
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Suave

Simulated character
Qualified does not prevent the police from facing civil charge but it sets a pretty high bar.
I think I'd rather that they face criminal charges like the rest of us. I think the bigger problem is that the legal system tends to be biased in favor of members that are part of its system. I see this comradery between Judges, prosecutors and officers. They are more willing to accept the truth of the claims by the people who work in the legal system when lacking a preponderance of evidence.
We need better oversight, a better system of accountability. Getting rid of qualified immunity I don't think will affect our current system that much. I suspect it is more a talking point to quell the public.

Unfortunately, qualified immunity prevented Kevin Byrd from being able to sue DHS agent Ray Lamb for violating Byrd's Fourth Amendment rights by threatening Kevin Byrd with a gun and unlawfully detaining him..


https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/60532d3d4653d01b548f3641
 
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QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
The use of "most" demands statistical proof because there's a vast gap between 'many' and 'most'.

Sadly I'd say that it probably is most, because the bad cops aren't just the ones doing bad things... it's also the so called 'good cops' who don't speak out when they see the bad cops doing bad things. When the authorities try and claim that 'it's just a few bad apples' they always seem to forget the rest of the quote. It's 'a few bad apples SPOILS THE ENTIRE BARREL'. As long as they refuse to make every effort possible to rid themselves of the 'bad apples' the entire force turns rotten.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Unfortunately, qualified immunity prevented Kevin Byrd from being able to sue DHS agent Ray Lamb for violating Byrd's Fourth Amendment rights by threatening Kevin Byrd with a gun and unlawfully detaining him..


https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/60532d3d4653d01b548f3641

Federal officers are not immune. Because a court ruled otherwise does not necessarily mean they were right. Again with Federal Courts protecting Federal officers. Hopefully the SCOTUS overrules this.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The use of "most" demands statistical proof because there's a vast gap between 'many' and 'most'.
It's a matter of opinion. The basis for mine is
the number of cases wherein so few fellow cops
fail to intervene when civilian rights are violated,
& the department supporting the cops who do wrong.
By "bad cops", I include the ones who turn a blind
eye to injustice when supporting the worst cops.

Even if you disagree, & think most cops are good,
you're still safer assuming the worst, & conducting
yourself in a manner to preserve life & liberty when
interacting with cops.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Without the video footage, this guy would have been toast.
Bad cops like these give all cops a bad name. I hope these cops get severe punishments.
I seardched.
Didn't happen.
10 day suspension, despite his prior sexual assaults.
 
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