It just seems like religion only benefits men...

[TransmutingSoul]

Religions have, throughout history, in some form, denigrated women. I'm coming to the conclusion that women don't gain much from religion. So what's the point? Why should a woman even want to be religious?

Thoughts?

Men and women are created equal in the sight of God.

I do wonder why men have not seen that throughout history.

Maybe that have not yet realised that religion from God is given to subdue our animal instincts, not to use them to subdue others.

In this age the Equality of Women with is ensured and practiced. In fact a women is to be given preference in education.

Regards Tony

 

[Brickjectivity]

How is this the case? But perhaps we have different ideas of misogyny.

Human babies have large heads, and human babies are often turned in the wrong direction. Many women die in childbirth. Because of this difficulty, many gynecologists in modern hospitals opt for removing babies through a surgical cut instead of through the birth canal. Surgery is considered to be safer than the natural birthing process. Females die very easily if they don't have modern medicine. Pregnancy is dangerous, causes the average lifespan of human females to be much shorter than that of males.

Children require years of personal sacrifice from women, beginning with 9 months of illness. They are heavily dependent upon the mother long after birth; so the mother is, in turn, dependent upon outside support. This dependency is vulnerability but is only one part of female vulnerability to manipulation.

The buying and the selling of women is the typical human state. Women are frequently flooded with oxytocin and various strong hormones creating psychological problems for them. During their teenage years their brains go temporarily insane. They are incredibly vulnerable. Look up books on how pimps manipulate women. You will see that they are particularly vulnerable to manipulation and enslavement. Now look again about books on human psychology and our tendency towards dominating others. You'll see misogyny is the natural state of humanity.

Look at the history of tribes far, far from western culture. How are the women treated? You'll see this is not a western thing, not an oriental thing, not partial or from any particular area of the world. It is everywhere and from everywhere and part of the human race. Its inbuilt. Either we go with it or oppose it, but its part of the human species. Call it patriarchy if you like, but its humanarchy.

 

[1213]

I was Catholic for a while. I saw that it was full of blatant misogny. Women cannot become priests. Popes have spoken against women serving at the altar. Some object to altar girls, or even Eucharistic ministers. In my diocese, women can't even do readings....

I think all of those are service jobs. It is interesting if it is a problem that woman doesn't have to serve. And if they want to serve, it would be nice to know what is the reason? Only reasons I know are selfish, and I think that is not good. But, if there is a good reason, I don't think it would be a problem.

But, this leads also to the question, how does woman benefit? And one answer is that he does no have to serve, instead, someone is serving her in the religion, by doing work for her.

 

[GardenLady]

I am a former Catholic and found the Catholic church highly misogynistic. Women were clearly second-class citizens in the church, under the authority of men. The veneration of Mary was predicated in large part of the unsubstantiated doctrine that she was a a perpetual virgin. Girls were told that we must mind our dress and behavior lest we tempt boys/men into sin. It was also taught that a pregnant woman whose life was at risk must bear the risk of her life to carry to term, even if it meant she left previous children motherless. The Catholic doctrine concerning contraception is a burden borne by women (pregnancy) and not men--women are brood mares to make more little Catholics.

The exclusion of women from the priesthood is NOT a freedom from service. Catholic parishes are happy to have women as servants, but not as those special people who administer sacraments. And as others noted, there are still diocese that don't want girls as altar servers or women as lectors or extraordinary ministers. Fortunately, they are increasingly rare.

I am very happy in a liturgical, creedal denomination in which women serve in many capacities including pastors and are not regarded as brood mares.

 

[Truthseeker]

https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/compilations/women/women.pdf?156d4907

This website is a statement from the Baha'i religion that discusses women's rights, among other things. I always try to bring solid information, not mere rumors, to discussions.

It's pretty long. I have it in Ocean, but thank you for bringing this to my attention. I hardly recognized it was there. I will go over it and learn from from this document in the future. Don't have time to do this now.

You certainly are knowledgeable about the Baha'i sources! Care to discuss any of the selections there?

 

[GardenLady]

The veneration of Mary was predicated in large part of the unsubstantiated doctrine that she was a a perpetual virgin.

Hmmm. This is stated badly. The veneration of Mary (which is in some quarters and at some times quite excessive IMO) is based on the concept of her as Theotokos (god bearer). But I believe that the extent of veneration is tied up with the "ever virgin" doctrine and that the doctrine is a necessary element due to the Catholic church's attitude toward women.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Religions have, throughout history, in some form, denigrated women. I'm coming to the conclusion that women don't gain much from religion. So what's the point? Why should a woman even want to be religious?

Thoughts?

That's a rather shallow understanding of religion.

 

[rational experiences]

Human babies have large heads, and human babies are often turned in the wrong direction. Many women die in childbirth. Because of this difficulty, many gynecologists in modern hospitals opt for removing babies through a surgical cut instead of through the birth canal. Surgery is considered to be safer than the natural birthing process. Females die very easily if they don't have modern medicine. Pregnancy is dangerous, causes the average lifespan of human females to be much shorter than that of males.

Children require years of personal sacrifice from women, beginning with 9 months of illness. They are heavily dependent upon the mother long after birth; so the mother is, in turn, dependent upon outside support. This dependency is vulnerability but is only one part of female vulnerability to manipulation.

The buying and the selling of women is the typical human state. Women are frequently flooded with oxytocin and various strong hormones creating psychological problems for them. During their teenage years their brains go temporarily insane. They are incredibly vulnerable. Look up books on how pimps manipulate women. You will see that they are particularly vulnerable to manipulation and enslavement. Now look again about books on human psychology and our tendency towards dominating others. You'll see misogyny is the natural state of humanity.

Look at the history of tribes far, far from western culture. How are the women treated? You'll see this is not a western thing, not an oriental thing, not partial or from any particular area of the world. It is everywhere and from everywhere and part of the human race. Its inbuilt. Either we go with it or oppose it, but its part of the human species. Call it patriarchy if you like, but its humanarchy.

Rich men's disease. I know everything allow me express man's excuse for my behaviours.

I want you all to believe raping children is a warranted behaviour.

Irradiation caused outcomes are owned first by man's mind DNA no longer naturally existing in DNA when you irradiated life.

Patriarchal idealism adult man.

If you asked a baby man child about sex his answer is correct...not yours.

As you infer theism to support a secondary inherited answer changed behaviours.

All life in every nation inherited irradiation. Which proves natural behaviour was changed everywhere without being taught it was.

 

[alypius]

Religions have, throughout history, in some form, denigrated women.

How does Christianity denigrate women?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Humans discriminate (sometime). I very much doubt that God does.

 

[metis]

I am a former Catholic and found the Catholic church highly misogynistic. Women were clearly second-class citizens in the church, under the authority of men. The veneration of Mary was predicated in large part of the unsubstantiated doctrine that she was a a perpetual virgin. Girls were told that we must mind our dress and behavior lest we tempt boys/men into sin. It was also taught that a pregnant woman whose life was at risk must bear the risk of her life to carry to term, even if it meant she left previous children motherless. The Catholic doctrine concerning contraception is a burden borne by women (pregnancy) and not men--women are brood mares to make more little Catholics.

The exclusion of women from the priesthood is NOT a freedom from service. Catholic parishes are happy to have women as servants, but not as those special people who administer sacraments. And as others noted, there are still diocese that don't want girls as altar servers or women as lectors or extraordinary ministers. Fortunately, they are increasingly rare.

I am very happy in a liturgical, creedal denomination in which women serve in many capacities including pastors and are not regarded as brood mares.

It's sorta ironic that you went your way and I went the opposite way as I grew up in the ALC synod, which later merged into the ELCA, because of problems I had in the late 1960's with their anti-science [opposed to the ToE] and the blatant racism at my former church. However, that was then and this is now.

To your point above, I generally agree that the Church should be much more open to female leadership, but at the same time we should also remember that the Church is international in scope and not all cultures are open to that level of gender equality. Nevertheless, the Church is gradually drifting in that direction but very s-l-o-w-l-y, as it always does.

 

[pearl]

[QUOTE="GardenLady, post: 7430831, member: 68248" But I believe that the extent of veneration is tied up with the "ever virgin" doctrine and that the doctrine is a necessary element due to the Catholic church's attitude toward women.[/QUOTE]

The doctrine of 'ever virgin' dates back to The Protoevangelium of James. It is basically a work of fiction.

 

[pearl]

To your point above, I generally agree that the Church should be much more open to female leadership, but at the same time we should also remember that the Church is international in scope and not all cultures are open to that level of gender equality. Nevertheless, the Church is gradually drifting in that direction but very s-l-o-w-l-y, as it always does.

The Church has moved forward towards women' role, but as you stated it measures time in centuries, not decades. I think in our parish the only role restricted to men, outside of the priesthood, the reading of the Gospel, and the giving of a homily. Of course much has to do with the bishop and even the pastor as to what is allowable. We have just seen the number of Catholics reacting negatively concerning the further restriction on the Latin Mass. There remains the threat of a large scale schism.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Rich men's disease. I know everything allow me express man's excuse for my behaviours.

I want you all to believe raping children is a warranted behaviour.

Irradiation caused outcomes are owned first by man's mind DNA no longer naturally existing in DNA when you irradiated life.

Patriarchal idealism adult man.

If you asked a baby man child about sex his answer is correct...not yours.

As you infer theism to support a secondary inherited answer changed behaviours.

All life in every nation inherited irradiation. Which proves natural behaviour was changed everywhere without being taught it was.

What you've written seems designed to make very little sense. Try reading it.

 

[Sheldon]

Men and women are created equal in the sight of God.

They weren't created they evolved, this is a scientific fact, evidenced beyond any reasonable or rational doubt.

 

[Lain]

Human babies have large heads, and human babies are often turned in the wrong direction. Many women die in childbirth. Because of this difficulty, many gynecologists in modern hospitals opt for removing babies through a surgical cut instead of through the birth canal. Surgery is considered to be safer than the natural birthing process. Females die very easily if they don't have modern medicine. Pregnancy is dangerous, causes the average lifespan of human females to be much shorter than that of males.

Children require years of personal sacrifice from women, beginning with 9 months of illness. They are heavily dependent upon the mother long after birth; so the mother is, in turn, dependent upon outside support. This dependency is vulnerability but is only one part of female vulnerability to manipulation.

The buying and the selling of women is the typical human state. Women are frequently flooded with oxytocin and various strong hormones creating psychological problems for them. During their teenage years their brains go temporarily insane. They are incredibly vulnerable. Look up books on how pimps manipulate women. You will see that they are particularly vulnerable to manipulation and enslavement. Now look again about books on human psychology and our tendency towards dominating others. You'll see misogyny is the natural state of humanity.

Look at the history of tribes far, far from western culture. How are the women treated? You'll see this is not a western thing, not an oriental thing, not partial or from any particular area of the world. It is everywhere and from everywhere and part of the human race. Its inbuilt. Either we go with it or oppose it, but its part of the human species. Call it patriarchy if you like, but its humanarchy.

I see. It sounds like God really did a number on Eve. No wonder she is given more grace. But I agree with you, no matter what the natural corruption we are inclined towards is we should still become just, and perform our duties to one another, part of which is not being sexist in my opinion.

 

[Brickjectivity]

But I agree with you, no matter what the natural corruption we are inclined towards is we should still become just, and perform our duties to one another, part of which is not being sexist in my opinion.

True.

 

[rational experiences]

What you've written seems designed to make very little sense. Try reading it.

Rich men invented science in reference to a poor man did it first. Yet natural life was never poor.

Human brothers agreed to all science terms.

In modern times knowing science had hurt life as you took knowledge advised and re caused attack....you did it as man hearing the voice of the past. It was easy to believe living man was the voice.

Dead destroyed man big black hole radiation mass history allowed the human recording voice to exist.

Man's. Science voice.

So it was readily agreed to blame the female and not fake space zero maths. Womb space. As all female inferred science statements as science heard were fake themes.

So such ideals were expressed...
Men sturation. Dont enter the resonating healing building when bleeding female. Or keep the female out of men's healing ceremonies.

Hypocrites of the medical science built it...men. The building for mind cell healing church temples.

Whose man science research today is given in acute details relating our biology to occultists.

As first idea......feedback in heavens makes me believe I am a woman. Identified reasoning.
Two...I unnaturally bleed having a stigmata men struation from my body. For ignoring your holy life.

Natural equal female human life. Life's creator continuance body...babies or holy baby man.

Resonating healing was for uplifting the healing cell mind brain dysfunction. Science of men had caused. Known.

Woman in pain menses needed medical assistance was never going to harm you. The heavens recorded Ai feedback machines encoded causes had. Homosexual beliefs.

In radiation fallout.

And it was encoded interactive with the God heavens state. Machines caused it as men's nuclear event.

It is men tality that says men are their owned worst enemy.

And the changed feedback changed their ideal of mutual adult first holy relationships in image...by voice...by chemical disturbance brain body.

Displaced sex to little girls. Then little boys. Adult father you should care for them as your own children. I do he says raping his own family members also.

In my healer female life treat all children in any nation as your own. Protect us holy mother. Our teaching.

Get the idea of a message yet yourself. Just read ABBA he means tell me the science he says of God and father. It's your fault human mother.

Why a female healer life has learnt what I have.

So when you said don't let homosexual men inside my healing building you believed they would transmit it to you.

Proving you knew the heavenly causes already was involved in causing it. Why you said outside of the said building life had become unholy.

So when men in science try to claim it is natural to own its causes young age sex it was by evil occult science change of human life and behaviour.

Your belief of course is your natural choice.

As you believe in it.

 

[Ashoka]

How does Christianity denigrate women?

Please refer to a post I made on page one.

 

[alypius]

Please refer to a post I made on page one.

The claim is made in the post but where is the evidence?