Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That way your Prince of Peace will never come, because there will always be people yet to be born. What a silly argument!
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What is God?
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Yes, concepts are real, existing as brain states. But the 'contents' of a concept as such ─ here 'two' or 'unicorn' but equally 'the Empire State building' ─only exist as that brain state; meanwhile they may have a real referent, or an imaginary or purely conceptual one. In humans there's a strong correlation between concepts and language.
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Kelly of the Phoenix
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Jesus is often a hypocrite
Kelly of the Phoenix
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And yet God isn’t stopping global warming which will ensure flooding.
I can agree one's conscience (compass guide) can be trained by supplimental upbringing, etc. as stated ^ above ^.
A person can choose to violate or listen to one's in-born conscience / innate knowledge.
People of the nations, who do Not have the Law, still do the things of the Law because of in-born conscience.
The more a person allows himself to be influenced by badness the more like Satan that person becomes.
Also, a damaged / abused conscience can become calloused like flesh seared by a hot branding iron.
I find one's morality / conscience did Not evolve in the animal realm.
No dog has empathy to apologizes for stealing another dog's bone.
Man was made in God's image whereas animals have instinct.
No animal can develop the personality of Jesus.
I wonder what you find hypocritical about Jesus' commandment as found at John 13:34-35 ___________
Sure, God is stopping global warning because God will bring to ruin those ruining Earth - Revelation 11:18 B.
As Jeremiah 10:23 wrote that man can't direct his step, so this is why God is going to have Jesus step in.
The international declaring about God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) is now done world wide as Jesus said - Matthew 24:14
Be Alert! Be on the watch for the ' final signal ', so to speak, as found at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
When they, the powers in charge, are saying, " Peace and Security..." that rosy saying will lead people down the primrose path but Not to peace but to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9.
So, we are being forewarned so that we can be forearmed that soon Jesus' Glory Time is at hand - Matthew 25:31-33
Global warming, etc.will stop because the ' sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth ' will rid the Earth of the wicked.
No more wicked people equals No more global warming, etc. then, resilient Earth will bounce back.
Please notice Matthew 24:14 because it does Not say to each and every single person, but that the good news of God's Kingdom (Daniel 2:44) would be proclaimed to the 'nations'.That way your Prince of Peace will never come, because there will always be people yet to be born. What a silly argument!
It is the 'international' declaring about God's Kingdom as it is done today.
Parents are responsible for minor children - 1 Corinthians 7:14
But as I stated above, and as research has shown, children all over the world are born with the moral instincts I listed; and with a conscience, and with the capacity for empathy. Exceptions like psychopathy are exactly that, exceptions.
But that has nothing to do with religion, except religion viewed as a kind of regimentation.
Other way round. The bits of the law that reflect the list I gave you are there because their writers had instincts of that kind. Which is why decency and kindness to strangers and so on are found in all societies in one form or another regardless of religion.
Have you traced the history of Satan through the bible? He begins as one of the courtiers in Yahweh's court, and enters into the appalling bet which Yahweh makes with him at the start of Job. It's only later that he gets pressed into the roll of archvillain, a particularly Christian notion that even pretends to identify him with the (actually blameless) snake in the Garden story. In other words, a thoroughly human invention of a convenient embodiment of what the church doesn't like.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you appear to have read none of the research.
In canine packs the rights to the bone are determined by the peck order, and the 'apology' takes the form of submission to the higher-ranked canine; or else a fight to determine a new rank. And of course child protection and nurture are found throughout nature, and with mammals and birds are with very few exceptions essential.
So you say God is a being like a human male, with Middle Eastern features, and humans, being in [his] image should engage in invasive wars, massacre populations, sacrifice their firstborn sons to [him] and accept human sacrifices from lower down the chain, should engage in murderous religious intolerance, trade in slaves, practice polygamy, demean the status of women, and so on as the bible says?
That's certainly not my view.
Sheldon
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Why would they, their empathy would necessarily be part of their evolution, not ours.
All animals that have evolved to live in societal groups have necessarily learned to recognise "right" and "wrong" behaviours among that group, the group couldn't cohesively exist otherwise.
Humans have instincts, and it is an objective fact that we evolved like all other living things, to deny this is no less absurd than denying the rotundity of the earth.
Well I don't know if Jesus even existed as an historical figure, but even if he did I don't believe any of the supernatural claims made about the character. So that statement doesn't really mean anything to me, sorry.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
While I appreciate your post, I will differ on one point. A new-born is a selfish creature. Children learn by the example of their parents and elders. No God involved in this process. Children are like kneaded soil. They can be given any desired shape. Perhaps DNA also plays some role.
Children are not a subject about which I'm wholly ignorant. They enter the outer world helpless but for a long list of instinctive behaviors which they've / we've evolved because they're good for survival ─ like right from the very start breathing, moving their digits and limbs, turning the head to look (a learning process but equipped with an instinct to look at faces), making noises (which elicit instinctive responses in carers), and shortly, how to suckle, and swallow. I wouldn't class any of that as 'selfish' so I guess you have other, more advanced and interactive behaviors in mind. We all love to get our own way, and we all have to learn the most productive ways to deal with others in the process.
So on my part, any agreement with your statement is at best half-hearted.
Heyo
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You agreed with me that god is purely spiritual, now you predict that it will influence the physical world. I.e. when we can measure the forces preventing global warming, we'd have evidence for a god, i.e. a not purely spiritual being.
You'll have to decide if you believe in a magic wielding, invisible sky daddy or in a scientifically undetectable spiritual being - or you have to explain how both can be the same at the same time.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
No problem there. I don't blame a new-born. Evolution has made it selfish. It tries to do what is best for itself, otherwise, it cries, demands what is needed by it.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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Jesus to Peter: Get thee behind me, Satan.
Animals go by instinct. Unless damaged, humans come created with an inborn conscience.
No, God does Not have physical features.
Israel was never in the slave-trade business like the American South.
Polygamy was allowed for a while so that No woman would be without a husband to care for her.
Please notice Jeremiah 32:34 ; 2 Chronicles 28:3 because God did Not want firstborn sons sacrificed.
It was un-faithful people and non-Jews who practised child sacrifice as food for the idol gods - Ezekiel 23:37
Remember Satan is Not a name. We don't know sinner Satan's name.
I think Satan stands for being a resister.
The Devil as slanderer.
As Serpent meaning destroyer.
and Satan the Dragon as: destroyer.
So, Jesus was telling Peter by what he was saying that Peter was resisting God's purpose for Jesus.
What forces preventing global warming _______________
Even back in the year 2,000 science was already saying about how badly the oceans were polluted.
Global warming, diseases (pestilences - Luke 21:11) are problems now too BIG for mankind to now solve.
Jesus was Not invisible when he as God's Son was on Earth.
Jesus explained and expounded Scripture for us, so that we are forewarned and forearmed as to what is coming.
To me an inborn conscience plays a role, so unless damaged, humans come equipped with an inborn conscience.
And not just a conscience, not just a capacity for empathy, but with the actual moral tendencies I listed for you, regardless of race, nation or creed.
The American South (and British Jamaica, and so much more) are examples of slavery, and ancient societies, including the Hebrew, were examples of slavery and a slave economy as well.
The matter is ambiguous. For example,
Exodus 22:29 You must give me the firstborn of your sons. 30 Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.
And of course Jephthah had a daughter, not a son, whom he sacrificed to God in return for military success: Judges 11:29-39.
And in 2 Samuel 21 God relieved the famine, being satisfied with the death by impalement of the 'seven sons of Saul' before [him].
And the NT is all about God sacrificing [his] son to [him]self. (Why, I've never quite understood, but it's apparently centrally relevant.)