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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by blü 2, Oct 11, 2021.

  1. blü 2

    blü 2 Well-Known Member
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    What real thing is denoted by the word "God"?

    Qualities like
    omniscient,
    omnipotent,
    omnipresent,
    perfect,
    eternal,
    infinite,
    spiritual,
    supernatural,
    immaterial​
    aren't qualities of real things, only of imaginary things.

    So given a God who's found in reality ─ by which I mean the world external to the self, nature, where things with objective existence are found ─ in what form does that God exist?

    How could we tell whether we'd found a real one or not?

    Or do gods only exist as a set of individual notions within a tradition?
     
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  2. Jimmy

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    Infinite space is the only thing I can think of worthy enough for the title of God. Sprinkle a little love on top I guess. Haha
     
  3. Suave

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    The notion of there actually being an omnipotent, omniscient, most benevolent supreme being is inconsistent and contrary to observed reality. Children suffering and dying of cancer would not happen If there were really an actual all-knowing, highly benevolent, Almighty God. Me being molested as a child by a youth pastor was a violation of my free will causing me to seriously doubt my belief in an omnipresent, omniscient, benevolent Almighty God.

    I consider God as just being the Creator of the heavens, earth as well as being life's Creator.

    Our genetic code's creator has left this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying to me the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well as the number 37 embedded in our genetic code.
    Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared + 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle. Based on this signal of intelligence left in our genetic code, I suspect our genetic coding was created by a greater intelligence beyond the limited scope of us humans on Earth.
    The 3 main words (God, the heaven, the earth) in Hebrew have a gematria numeric value of 777 (111x7), ". which is divisible by 37.
    The numeric value of the entire verse is 2701 which is divisible by 37.
    We may now proceed to finding the number 37 interlaced in the first verse of the Bible. We can do this by discovering words or groups of words with number values evenly divisible by 37, e.g. the 3 main words (“God” + ”the heaven” + ”the earth” = 777 = 21x37), the 5 first words (“In the beginning” + “created” + “God” + “*” + “the heaven” = 1998 = 54x37), or the last two words separately (“and” = 407 = 11x37 and “the earth” = 296 = 8x37)

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  4. Conscious thoughts

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    To me. the list you gave about God, that is the real existence, this world we call real, is not real to me anymore, only God is real.
    I know this answer will make some controversy but it is how I come to understand the teaching :) Other people will of course give different answer.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    It's whatever it is in a person's mind.

    God is a mental construction made by someone so God is that person who made it up or adopted it and added or subtracted a few things.
     
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  6. Suave

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    Are you suggesting we might be simulated ancestral beings living within the ancestral simulation of posthumans living in base reality from where they have programmed simulated beings and simulated universes by some sort of powerful computer?
     
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    No :) This reality is driven by humans ego, that is what I mean when I say this world is not real, only God is real. When ego disappear God is visable
     
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  8. Suave

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    What if futuristic technologically advanced computers could possibly simulate the actions of the brain's neurons realistically along with simulating the brain's sensory input with enough accuracy to convince the simulated character that he is a real person, then would we human beings now most likely be simulated beings living in a simulated universe?
     
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    Personally I do not believe in such simulation theory
     
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    I defer to John Winston Lennon ...

    God is a concept
    By which we measure our pain
    I'll say it again
    God is a concept
    By which we measure our pain
    Yeah, pain, yeah
    I don't believe in magic
    I don't believe in I Ching
    I don't believe in the Bible
    I don't believe in tarot
    I don't believe in Hitler
    I don't believe in Jesus
    I don't believe in Kennedy
    I don't believe in Buddha
    I don't believe in mantra
    I don't believe in Gita
    I don't believe in yoga
    I don't believe in kings
    I don't believe in Elvis
    I don't believe in Zimmerman
    I don't believe in Beatles
    I just believe in me
    Yoko and me
    And that's reality
    The dream is over
    What can I say?
    The dream is over
    Yesterday
    I was the dreamweaver
    But now I'm reborn
    I was the walrus
    But now I'm John
    And so, dear friends
    You'll just have to carry on
    The dream is over
     
  11. blü 2

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    But a real creator or a purely conceptual / imaginary creator?

    If real, please describe the real being you have in mind, from the point of view of someone looking in reality to find such a being.
     
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  12. blü 2

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    It's not about understanding the teaching, it's about identifying the real entity involved, and locating that entity in the world external to the self.

    So what real thing are we actually looking for, such that we can identify it as God when we find it?
     
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    Fair answer.
     
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    A pity he's not even John any more.

    Ah memories!
     
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    I believe one can only find God from within our own being, when all ego is gone
     
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    That then is not a God with objective existence, rather the purely conceptual / imaginary kind, no?
     
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    It means God are at a livel humans can not see or fully understand, So God exists.
     
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    It means God is not a real entity but only a concept or thing imagined in an individual brain, surely? If god were real you could show [him] to us, no?
     
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    In my understanding God is in a different real called heaven, that does not mean God is not real. Or are only physical world real?
     
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    There is one true God, the Father of Jesus and we cannot fathom Him but Jesus can reveal Him to us and we can know Him in relationship.
     
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