Should The Far Right and Right Wing Media Follow Their Own Demands?

[SomeRandom]

Because centralized systems, while admittedly efficient, more often than not turns into bad news givin enough time.

Fair enough. But how specifically in this case?
Like what measures do you think they will put into place that States would object to?
I’m not familiar with the ins and outs of US voting

 

[Jose Fly]

I've been right here with you....

i wasn't making a judgement call... please read it in context of the poster.

Oh, I didn't realize that you also understood that the Republican Party has been using false claims of voter fraud as an excuse to pass laws making it harder for certain groups to vote.

Good to know.

 

[Jose Fly]

Particularly the attempted federalism of our entire voting system over state voting systems.

Article I Section 4 | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators."​

 

[Twilight Hue]

Fair enough. But how specifically in this case?
Like what measures do you think they will put into place that States would object to?
I’m not familiar with the ins and outs of US voting

It would threaten proportional representation and bring about an arrogation of states rights.

Look at the bill itself.....

H.R.1 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): For the People Act of 2021

"Let it be the wisdom of each state to decide the future of our nation.”
-James Madison-

One of the main concerns alongside John Madison's quote (imo) is the forced establishment of independent redistricting commissions to carry out congressional redistricting in each and every state that is specified in the bill itself.

The reason for my concern and even apprehension is who and what are these independent commissions? Are they appointees? Elected personnel? Who in particular selects each member of a said commission?

That sounds potentially shady to me in terms of federal overreach and influence into state territory and jurisdiction.

 

[Jose Fly]

The For the People Act also requires random post-election audits across the country, a paper trail for every vote, and support to the states so they can improve security and upgrade election equipment.

That Republicans won't even negotiate on those reveals the lie behind their pretend worries about voter fraud.

Also, the latest Senate bill that Republicans voted against even discussing included national voter ID requirements. But it also made it much, much easier for people to get those ID's, which is obviously why Republicans won't support it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Article I Section 4 | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators."​

Which is why the gridlock still exists. Each congress member has their own particular state automaty to be concerned with.

Sounds fair in respect to the Constitution that Congress makes these decisions.

It's kind of a no brainer in that regard.

 

[Jose Fly]

Which is why the gridlock still exists. Each congress member has their own particular state automaty to be concerned with.

In an ideal situation, Congress would act in the best interests of the country and our democratic republic. Unfortunately right now, we have one party that has a stated, direct interest in keeping certain groups from voting.

You'd think at the very least we could all agree on some basics that would apply across the country. But here we are....

 

[Twilight Hue]

The For the People Act also requires random post-election audits across the country, a paper trail for every vote, and support to the states so they can improve security and upgrade election equipment.

That Republicans won't even negotiate on those reveals the lie behind their pretend worries about voter fraud.

Also, the latest Senate bill that Republicans voted against even discussing included national voter ID requirements. But it also made it much, much easier for people to get those ID's, which is obviously why Republicans won't support it.

There's more to it. Particularly in past US history.

So federalized voter ID.

So if that comes to pass, what's to stop the federal government from 'influencing' states to comply with their bidding?....

You know, state federal funding, that aid package, may not be as good this time around unless....' ahem' clears throat.

I think you might get the inital picture.

 

[Jose Fly]

There's more to it. Particularly in past US history.

So federalized voter ID.

So if that comes to pass, what's to stop the federal government from 'influencing' states to comply with their bidding?....

You know, state federal funding, that aid package, may not be as good this time around unless....' ahem' clears throat.

I think you might get the inital picture.

That's a possibility with anything, but it's no reason to just throw up our hands and declare there's nothing we can do, as Republicans continue to use the lie of voter fraud as an excuse to disenfranchise groups they don't want to vote.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's a possibility with anything, but it's no reason to just throw up our hands and declare there's nothing we can do, as Republicans continue to use the lie of voter fraud as an excuse to disenfranchise groups they don't want to vote.

Let them. It's their prerogative as much as yours to counter such claims. Keep up the heat if one feels one way or another. Let the truth come out with the fire.

 

[Jose Fly]

Let them. It's their prerogative as much as yours to counter such claims. Keep up the heat if one feels one way or another. Let the truth come out with the fire.

Let them? Um.....no! I am not about to let anyone erode our democratic republic, especially when they're using made-up lies as a cover to do so.

The truth has come out....there was/is no widespread voter fraud and our elections are the most secure they've ever been, which means there's zero justification for implementing additional restrictions to voting.

Decent, patriotic Republicans need to come to terms with that, and if that reduces their likelihood of winning elections, then they need to adjust their platform and/or messaging to attract more voters. Keeping people from voting isn't acceptable and will only harm our country.

 

[Subduction Zone]

where applicable... yes

But why is voter fraud a "far right" issue? Shouldn't it also be a far left issue, mid right and left, center, independent voter issue too?

Right now it is a "far right issue" because only the far right is claiming that it is a problem. Ironically the vast majority of voter fraud has been by those that support Republican candidates.


In other words the far right should be locking themselves up

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK.... but that wasn't the issue you posted.

You made it sound like only the right have problems and that voter fraud issues was only a "right issue".

Just for your informations

PA Republican Who Objected to Trump’s Election Loss Has Concluded That Fraud Was Committed… By Republicans

And it wasn't a Democrat who declared that... but rather a Republican.

Voter fraud should be everyones issue.

No, and you continually miss the point here. There is almost no voter fraud. The current batch of so called voter security laws would do nothing to eliminate the little fraud that we have seen. They will only make it more difficult for the poor to vote. They are immoral laws by cowardly Republicans.

 

[Kooky]

In an ideal situation, Congress would act in the best interests of the country and our democratic republic.

I keep hearing this phrase over and over, but so far, I've never encountered a single country capable of coming to a unanimous decision as to what that would entail.

 

[metis]

The Trump, MAGA and the right wing media are all about voter fraud. Should they also include voter fraud by the right and be as demanding for audits of potential Republican voter fraud including denying people who have the right the vote the chance to vote?

And you'll notice that they only cry "Fraud!" when it came to Biden's win but not for their fellow Pubs who won. Gee, one might think they're heavy into hypocrisy.

 

[Jose Fly]

I keep hearing this phrase over and over, but so far, I've never encountered a single country capable of coming to a unanimous decision as to what that would entail.

Yup, thus the phrase "In an ideal situation..."

 

[Twilight Hue]

And you'll notice that they only cry "Fraud!" when it came to Biden's win but not for their fellow Pubs who won. Gee, one might think they're heavy into hypocrisy.

It's simply my side dosent cheat and your side does mentality.

So only one side commits fraud in their eyes which is why they don't accuse themselves.

Problem is both sides think they are pristine and pure like Barnacle Bills sweet young virgin.

 

[sun rise]

It's simply my side dosent cheat and your side does mentality.

So only one side commits fraud in their eyes which is why they don't accuse themselves.

Problem is both sides think they are pristine and pure like Barnacle Bills sweet young virgin.

They're not equivalent. A Democatic senator, Al Frankin, resigned after quite a few charges surfaced. The governor of New York State resigned as well. Trump bragged about what he did.

 

[Twilight Hue]

They're not equivalent. A Democatic senator, Al Frankin, resigned after quite a few charges surfaced. The governor of New York State resigned as well. Trump bragged about what he did.

Its the classic they only resigned because they were caught.

There's no moral compass here.

 

[sun rise]

Its the classic they only resigned because they were caught.

There's no moral compass here.

I'm not claiming moral superiority but that the two parties are different - one who celebrates bad behavior (Trump) and one who disparages it.