Why did God create homosexuality?

[Lain]

So God deliberately made some things broken

No. He permitted persons of their own will to move towards the nothingness out of which they were made and reject Him, and when He permits this (or when He "pulls back" to use an expression, for it is simultaneous), that is when they do this, what you see is them falling apart. Their bodies, their minds, their wills, them as a whole. This is why I said "disordered desire" as in "out of order." Someone may not be the origin of their thoughts or desires though, it may "pass through them" for the whole world is in corruption and is "falling apart at the seams" right now.

 

[The Hammer]

Why is that?

Typically because sexual desire is something that develops with and during the development of secondary sex characteristics (puberty), and not through ones behaviours or actions. One behaviour and attractions are a result of these changes.

It's biology, plain and simple

 

[Kooky]

No. He permitted persons of their own will to move towards the nothingness out of which they were made and reject Him, and when He permits this (or when He "pulls back" to use an expression, for it is simultaneous), that is when they do this, what you see is them falling apart.

We just came to the conclusion that sexual attraction isn't a person's free willed choice!
And since "corruption" is not an influence in its own right, but only the absence of positive influence, it cannot produce desires of its own. Therefore, the only valid sources for sexual attraction are ourselves (created by God), the world (created by God), or God.

So one person is allowed to act on their sexual attraction because God made them desire people of the opposite sex, while another person is banned from acting on that same attraction because God made them desire people of the same sex.

 

[Spiderman]

I have known gay people that pray every day that God would make them straight.

Why does God not answer their prayers?

 

[Lain]

We just came to the conclusion that sexual attraction isn't a person's free willed choice!

See my edit, we are still at that conclusion.

 

[Lain]

Typically because sexual desire is something that develops with and during the development of secondary sex characteristics (puberty), and not through ones behaviours or actions. One behaviour and attractions are a result of these changes.

It's biology, plain and simple

I am asking for you to show me how this works not just tell me how it supposedly works, like do you have a book or an article that proves this or something?

 

[Kooky]

See my edit, we are still at that conclusion.

We also established that corruption isn't an influence in its own right, but only the absence of another influence!

Are you so desperate to reach the conclusion you want that you are willing to jettison the logical consistency of your own argument to do?

 

[The Hammer]

I am asking for you to show me how this works not just tell me how it supposedly works, like do you have a book or an article that proves this or something?

"The relationship between biology and sexual orientation is a subject of research. While scientists do not know the exact cause of sexual orientation, they theorize that it is caused by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio... and,, hormonal, and environmental influences.

This has a good Abstract.
The biological basis of human sexual orientation: is there a role for epigenetics? - PubMed

 

[Lain]

Are you so desperate to reach the conclusion you want that you are willing to jettison the logical consistency of your own argument to do?

No, I said very clearly that it comes through the will. Perhaps saying it again will make it clearer: death (let that be a stand-in for all corruption, evil, suffering, etc) comes into the world when a person departs from God. Now the state of human nature (and nature at large) is one of "loss," that it is losing itself and falling apart, do not think of this as a positive existence but something just breaking down because it tends to that now. This, another person willing this, or the person with said desire can be the cause of it. This is how not all thoughts and desires are your own, but they also can be at times (depending on what you do). It is not an influence on it's own because it's not something with a will, it is more a state of things and something persons go towards.

I fail to see what exactly was not gotten, I may need to quote someone better saying the same thing as my communication abilities are not the best.

 

[Lain]

"The relationship between biology and sexual orientation is a subject of research. While scientists do not know the exact cause of sexual orientation, they theorize that it is caused by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#:~:text=The relationship between biology and,, hormonal, and environmental influences.

This has a good Abstract.
The biological basis of human sexual orientation: is there a role for epigenetics? - PubMed

Thank you I'll read these.

 

[DNB]

No, that was not my point, though I suppose it is easy to miss if one really doesn't want to deal with the argument.
I was mentioning persecution, ostracism, bullying and harassment, all of which you chose to omit in favor of contorting my point into some nonsense about "people's indifference on how they are perceived in society".

Do you think that persecution is a form of perception?
Was the atrocity the pagan Roman Emperors committed simply that they "perceived" Christians "differently", in your opinion? Do you literally see no difference between morally judging somebody and hurting them physically and mentally?

Not every homosexual has been ostracized or persecuted, or, those that were, did they expect or anticipate it, necessarily.
So, your attempt at trying to substantiate the involuntary nature of homosexuality based on a person's seemingly aversion to persecution, is either too subjective or non-demonstrable to establish it as a viable predicate. We cannot account for how one perceives the potential threat upon them, or even if it was a consideration in the first place.

Homosexuality is perverse and subversive, irrespective of the sentiments or audacity of those who practice it.

 

[Kooky]

Not every homosexual has been ostracized or persecuted, or, those that were, did they expect or anticipate it, necessarily.

Not every murder has been prosecuted, therefore I guess laws against killing people don't exist and aren't being enforced.

So, your attempt at trying to substantiate the involuntary nature of homosexuality based on a person's seemingly aversion to persecution, is either too subjective or non-demonstrable to establish it as a viable predicate. We cannot account for how one perceives the potential threat upon them, or even if it was a consideration in the first place.

Therefore it's totally the gay's fault, is that your argument?

 

[The Hammer]

Homosexuality is perverse and subversive, irrespective of the sentiments or audacity of those who practice it.

Thanks.

I appreciate being insulted at 9am.

 

[DNB]

There is quite a distinction to be made here: people don't become heterosexual by training themselves to be disciplined, respectful, responsible and self-controlled.

It doesn't work like that. That should be enough of a hint that homosexuality shouldn't be grouped up with gluttony, anger or greed issues.

That's true, but, firstly, within heterosexuality comes many vices also - one must control their heterosexual desires as much as any other misguided or injudicious behaviour.. Secondly, some people are born with intrinsic deformities or aberrations, we don't consider these to be normal and healthy, we try to rehabilitate either entirely or to some degree, where applicable.
The desire for relationships may be intrinsic, but many have acquired an inordinate affection towards their partners, or even their pets, displaying the fact that there is an extremely fine line as to what is normal and healthy, and as to what is abnormal.

 

[DNB]

Not every murder has been prosecuted, therefore I guess laws against killing people don't exist and aren't being enforced.

Mama mia, ...it explains their brazen attitude. ...remember, that was the point?

Therefore it's totally the gay's fault, is that your argument?

Predominantly so, yes.

 

[Kooky]

Predominantly so, yes.

Thanks for being finally honest. You can resume your performance now.

 

[DNB]

Thanks.

I appreciate being insulted at 9am.

We all have issues, including myself. I'm just as misguided and perverted as anyone else - I just am, first of all, aware of that fact, and secondly, willing to admit it.

 

[DNB]

Thanks for being finally honest. You can resume your performance now.

explain 'finally' ????

 

[Kooky]

We all have issues, including myself. I'm just as misguided and perverted as anyone else - I just am, first of all, aware of that fact, and secondly, willing to admit it.

I agree, wishing harm on other people simply because of whom they are attracted to is definitely perverse.

 

[The Hammer]

We all have issues, including myself. I'm just as misguided and perverted as anyone else - I just am, first of all, aware of that fact, and secondly, willing to admit it.

We all do correct, that's part of being human.

But some things are wrong, others are not. Sexual desires with consenting adults have no inherent moral value.

If you've never actually loved someone of the same gender (intimately), your opinion on it's morality, is flawed at worst, biased at best.