An irrefutable proof that Jesus is God

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Because that pretty much eliminates the purpose of the existence of this thread?

I think most of the Gospels to be truth from God like Quran is truth from God. It has a different style, but God goes all out speaking about his anointed kings by virtue of Jesus (a) speaking about himself as the anointed king and star from the family of David (a).

It has a truthful feel to it, much like the Quran, but I don't see any trinity in there. The only problem I have with Gospels in what it says about divorce. That's the only contradiction I see with Quran.

 

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No disrespect intended, but Christ was virgin born, and was in Heaven with God His Father before he was sent here.

Ahlulbayt (a) per us was with God in the high throne reality before being sent here too.

 

[Bethel]

to me the exalted ones are Mohammad, Ali and Fatima and their chosen offspring.

Ive no doubt that is what you believe.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think most of the Gospels to be truth from God like Quran is truth from God. It has a different style, but God goes all out speaking about his anointed kings by virtue of Jesus (a) speaking about himself as the anointed king and star from the family of David (a).

It has a truthful feel to it, much like the Quran, but I don't see any trinity in there. The only problem I have with Gospels in what it says about divorce. That's the only contradiction I see with Quran.

The Gospels majorly botched Judaism and got a lot of things wrong. That was Rival's point.

 

[Bethel]

That's the only contradiction I see with Quran.

Did "allah" send His virgin born only begotten Son to die on a Cross?
I dont see that in the Hadith or the Quran, so, i guess you missed that one.

And i have a question for you.
Is it true that no muslim/islamic women are allowed into allah's paradise?

 

[Bethel]

Why should we take any of the Gospel/NT writers at their word when they get so much wrong?

Has anyone explained to you that unproven insinuation is exactly the same as a Lie?

 

[Rival]

Has anyone explained to you that unproven insinuation is exactly the same as a Lie?

Are you accusing me of lying or would you like me to point out inaccuracies and internal contradictions in the NT?

 

[Bethel]

The Gospels majorly botched Judaism and got a lot of things wrong. That was Rival's point.

Have you not yet heard?? Christianity is not Judaism.

 

[Rival]

Have you not yet heard?? Christianity is not Judaism.

That doesn't mean it gets to butcher Jewish beliefs and the fact that it does seriously undermines its claims of divine inspiration. You'd think God would know better.

 

[Bethel]

Are you accusing me of lying or would you like me to point out inaccuracies and internal contradictions in the NT?

Im merely pointing out 2 simple things to you.

1.) You posted that the bible is error, yet you posted nothing to even try to substantiate your opinion.

2.) that you can run to an online site and find some cut and paste info, that tries to prove that the bible has errors in it, is no different than insinuation.

You take it from there.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I have the Holy Spirit, so I am right. Everyone who has the same spirit will confirm me.
Only Christians will see that my post is the truth, all others not. It has all to do which spirit someone has.

...which is no argument at all. There is no irrefutable argument for this kind of thing, because it depends on context. You're left with saying "I have the Holy Spirit" which is not an argument.

 

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Ive no doubt that is what you believe.

There is more to it, the exalted ones were the tree of life and tree of knowledge envied by Adam, and Adam all he had to do was keep straight with relying on their light for God's word and for seeing the proper God, but because Satan swore by God he was sincere, and tricked them that they can attain this status of perpetual authority and high position and that all he had to do was disbelieve in them and compete with them, Adam fell from grace, questioning the exalted ones wanting to reach their position. He attained his former rank when he repented through appealing to God through them and if he kept straight to using them as intermediates with God, everything would been fine, and he would never have swerved.

The story is of love and envy, and then the son of Adam that envied the other son, did so, because one had Taqwa and faith, and he didn't.

This is the story of the world now, and Pharaoh oppressed the believers (spiritual offspring of Israel) because he envied the chosen ones. He relied on soothsayers and knew Moses might be born and so went out of his way to kill all sons of the believers and spare the women.

All the males that remained, according to hadiths, the women would sent them off to the cave and wilds as babies and God would take care of them, and they would call out to God by Mohammad (S) and his family (a) to protect them.

The exalted ones can be the ones who took rest, not God, so a better translation would be the exalted ones created things in the start.

Again, to me, it makes sense the Prophet to come was being awaited per words of people to John who was neither Elijah or Christ, and so Mohammad (s) is that Prophet. It makes sense he is the light by which everything was created, and they the exalted ones are the ones who took rest, not God, because God doesn't need rest.

 

[Bethel]

That doesn't mean it gets to butcher

Jesus didn't "butcher" Judaism. He simply created the New Testament with His own blood, death, and resurrection.
Jesus is the New Testament.

See, the OT< is the "old covenant"......and Jesus is the author of the New Covenant.

 

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The Gospels majorly botched Judaism and got a lot of things wrong. That was Rival's point.

I think it showed what is proper from Judaism and where they went wrong. They can interpret the religion per their religious clergy/leaders or rely on leaders appointed to God who are his words of light and contain the original light of the exalted ones spoken about in the Torah. Jesus (a) contained the light of God and was a name of God.

To me Judaism has internal contradiction in that it emphasizes on what it refutes, it emphasizes on miracles for example as being proofs for Moses and Elijah yet Solomon miracles don't prove him righteous, so there is inconsistency. God's anointed kings are emphasized but some condemned. It's a internal contradiction.

 

[Nakosis]

Would you say the same thing about science? One should not read a science book to look for evidence of some scientific idea?

Definitely, in fact I usually have a skeptical eye regarding anything that people are claiming to be true.

To be honest, I read a completely different Bible. However, being aware of my own bias, what is the point of claiming my understanding of the Bible is the absolute truth that must be accepted on pain of being disenfranchised by God?

Now I might say this is why I believe Jesus is God or why I don't believe Jesus is God but irrefutable proof? Really?

 

[Bethel]

The story is of love and envy, and then the son of Adam that envied the other son, did so, because one had Taqwa and faith, and he didn't.

I dont find Adam's Brother, in the Bible (Torah/Old Testament), so, once again, your information is related to your religion.

 

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I dont find Adam's Brother, in the Bible (Torah/Old Testament), so, once again, your information is related to your religion.

I'm talking about Cain and Abel.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Look carefully, Jesus says that he is He who knows the inner man and will judge man.
But there is only one who knows the inner man and will be the judge in the end, and that is God.
Conclusion: Jesus is God.

Sorry it can be refuted and stay compliant with scriptures.

Jesus is a flesh Body, God is not Flesh. The 'Self of God' aspect of Jesus was 'Christ' and that is the Holy Spirit.

God gives this 'Self', the Holy Spirit to another Messenger in each age.

That is why Jesus said his job was finished and that he would send that Spirit of Truth in the Name of the Father. Jesus said He would write upon us that New Name, only to those that received it.

Regards Tony

 

[Rival]

Im merely pointing out 2 simple things to you.

1.) You posted that the bible is error, yet you posted nothing to even try to substantiate your opinion.

2.) that you can run to an online site and find some cut and paste info, that tries to prove that the bible has errors in it, is no different than insinuation.

You take it from there.

I don't need to go to any websites. I know what the errors are. I can point you out several right now.

Acts records the burial place of the Patriarchs as Shchem, whereas Bereschit (Genesis) records it as Chevron.

Paul claims he was a Pharisee, the absolute pinnacle of a Pharisee, yet claims he worked on behalf of the High Priest going about persecuting Christians. This is wrong, because the High Priest was at that time a Sadducee - this is the equivalent of a Communist working for Margaret Thatcher or Ronald Reagan. He also claims he was on his way to Syrian Damascus on behalf of said Priest - a place where the High Priest had no jurisdiction.

 

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Did "allah" send His virgin born only begotten Son to die on a Cross?
I dont see that in the Hadith or the Quran, so, i guess you missed that one.

And i have a question for you.
Is it true that no muslim/islamic women are allowed into allah's paradise?

Did he really die or was it a feign death, to show, that God's hand is death, and it looked like they killed him or crucified him, but he came out of the grave in 3 days. Truth is a matter of insights and perception. Quran maybe commenting on this, remember Jesus (a) said he was the light of the world so long as he was in the world. I don't think God's light went off those three days, so he was still alive but it appeared like they killed him.