Young Hillsong Church congregant who mocked vaccine dies of COVID

[ElishaElijah]

Immunologist Dr. Don Stock:Dr. Dan Stock addressed the Mt. Vernon School Board in Indiana
I agree with this expert.

 

[tas8831]

That’s not true, the article you posted referencing your sentiment doesn’t use that language. What appears to be happening is the vaccines aren’t performing like we had hoped with vaccinated people still not immune and now it’s the blame game.

False.
You not understanding the science is not an argument against it. Hoped you might have learned that from your humiliation discussing evolution.

 

[tas8831]

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I agree with this expert.

And we should care that YOU agree with that person why? I am not an adolescent so I don't have an Instagram account, but I have my doubts that an 'expert' on anything discusses such things on Instagram.

How about you just EXPLAIN to us what you 1 hero out of thousands that likely disagree say.

Is it the Demon Sperm lady?

 

[ElishaElijah]

False.
You not understanding the science is not an argument against it. Hoped you might have learned that from your humiliation discussing evolution.

Your faulty science has you deceived, all someone has to do is say they are progressive and a liberal here is the science and you will believe whatever is said.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And we should care that YOU agree with that person why?

Really wasn’t interested in anything you have to say or think, wasn’t talking or addressing you bruv.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I can see that. I have reservations about herd immunity. I'm actually serious with my question. Those exempt can spread the virus too.

Why? It seems to have worked for polio, measles, small pox, rubella, pertussis, etc.

Those exempt (for medical reasons) from receiving vaccines would be protected by the rest of us, if we can reach herd immunity.

Since provax excuse the exempt it sounds more of a political issue.

There is nothing political about people being exempt from receiving a vaccine due to health reasons. Never has been.

Meaning you guys are downing people for their choice as if there choices increase the chances of infection.

Are they finding ways so that no one is exempt?

I really do not understand your line of questioning here.

I don't see anybody "downing people" for not getting vaccinated for medical reasons. They simply cannot get it. So it's up to the rest of us to offer them some protection by the rest of us getting vaccinated. In the same way that some people can't get the measles vaccines for a medical reason, yet the danger of contracting measles for them is very low, because the rest of us are vaccinated against it (although the anti-vax people seem to be reversing this somewhat with their irresponsible actions).

 

[SkepticThinker]

What’s disgusting is you insinuating that my position is anyone is a throwaway. Actually that’s the narrative of the liberals for people that don’t agree with them.

Oh, look at you making this political again. Dude, you have no idea what my political affiliation is. It is irrelevant.

You said this, "So we shut down the whole Country instead of taking precautions for those over 60 and most were probably retired."
Sorry, but to me, that sounds like you want to write off those over 60 as some sort of throwaway people who don't matter as much as everyone else.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I didn’t miss that and posted the purpose of VAERS because people like yourself are unable to comprehend or have an honest conversation with people that have a different viewpoint than you do.
Not sure how you can say that you’re responsible when you can’t even understand what people are communicating on a forum and decide to lie about them instead.

So if you read the disclaimer, why are you still presenting this as some kind of verified data?

I'm pointing out to you that the data you are using isn't verified and cannot be used to draw the conclusions you are making. The honest response would be to acknowledge that and to stop sharing it as verified data.

And please point out where I lied. Thanks in advance.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well if the current vaccine is that limited, you aren’t immune after taking the vaccine then why are they calling it a vaccine?

So far, it has proven effective against the delta variant. But it may not hold up if we allow this virus to keep mutating. That's just biology.
Look how many different influenza variants there are.

Everyone is saying how effective and great it is, well my natural immunity is proving to be much better.

Please share the studies you carried out in order to determine this.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why? It seems to have worked for polio, measles, small pox, rubella, pertussis, etc.

Those exempt (for medical reasons) from receiving vaccines would be protected by the rest of us, if we can reach herd immunity.

I don't remember it working for measles and small pox. I never had measles but I have had small pox and it didn't go away because majority of people received the vaccine and we all became immune. It was treated by vaccines (so read) but the majority of people didn't need to be vaccinated in order for the vaccine to be successful.

Hopefully, the more tested and improved these vaccines are throughout the years we can treat COVID if people have it without trying to control people who could be asymptomatic. After awhile, we may give up thinking people are time bombs to the virus and like other conditions hopefully people go to their doctors when they do have symptoms.

In my head I think it's a foregone conclusion. I guess I'll see how this plays out.

There is nothing political about people being exempt from receiving a vaccine due to health reasons. Never has been.

In other words, people aren't concerned that the exempt can spread the virus only those who choose not to take the vaccine.

The political issue is excusing the exempt but blaming those who made the choice not to vaccinate. If it were a health issue only then the focus would be on Both exempt and non-exempt because they both can spread the virus.

That, and if it were just a health issue there'd be no such thing as anti-vaxxer.

I really do not understand your line of questioning here.

I don't see anybody "downing people" for not getting vaccinated for medical reasons. They simply cannot get it. So it's up to the rest of us to offer them some protection by the rest of us getting vaccinated. In the same way that some people can't get the measles vaccines for a medical reason, yet the danger of contracting measles for them is very low, because the rest of us are vaccinated against it (although the anti-vax people seem to be reversing this somewhat with their irresponsible actions).

Oh. Was saying that provaxers belittle those who choose not to vaccinate but not those who are exempt.

I would assume that experts are finding ways that the exempt can take the vaccine too so they won't spread the virus. I don't know if they are doing that, though. At least not now. I don't know.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Immunologist Dr. Don Stock:Dr. Dan Stock addressed the Mt. Vernon School Board in Indiana
I agree with this expert.

Why? The guy is a "family medicine specialist," not an actual immunologist.

Just reading through a couple of completely inaccurate things he's spreading about COVID, and it's alarming. Why would you choose to follow this person?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Since provax excuse the exempt it sounds more of a political issue.

If it's something like someone being allergic to the vaccine--which is something that does happen in a small percentage of the population--it isn't a choice and it's not political.
That's like saying it's political to excuse an autistic child who's non-verbal.

Meaning you guys are downing people for their choice as if there choices increase the chances of infection.

That's exactly what happens when people chose to not get vaccinated. This isn't asking a Magic 8ball or drawing Tarot cards. This is looking at facts and data. From measles to covid, those not vaccinated have higher chances of being infected. This has brought back polio. It has brought back measles. And now it's causing the pandemic to linger on because those not vaccinated are nearly all of those going to the hospital and dying.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't remember it working for measles and small pox.

You'd have to be born before before 50s to really be able to see these work in real time to see the case numbers going down.
After that we don't remember it working. We don't grow up with those diseases like we used to and childhood mortality rates have improved.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Just reading through a couple of completely inaccurate things he's spreading about COVID, and it's alarming. Why would you choose to follow this person?

I didn’t hear anything inaccurate and other information he would provide if wanted, what he said is exactly what happens with these viruses every year and also Ivermectin has been very successful but was suppressed for whatever reason and would’ve saved lives if people knew about that and were given that treatment. As far as VAERS, I posted the purpose from their website and you’re just adding your own spin.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't remember it working for measles and small pox. I never had measles but I have had small pox and it didn't go away because majority of people received the vaccine and we all became immune. It was treated by vaccines (so read) but the majority of people didn't need to be vaccinated in order for the vaccine to be successful.

Well, it did work, given that we're not all worried about contracting small pox, measles, etc. to any great degree anymore.

I'm sorry but the rest of your paragraph doesn't have much basis in reality. It was thanks to a worldwide vaccination program, started decades ago, that we're not all worrying about contracting small pox anymore.

Hopefully, the more tested and improved these vaccines are throughout the years we can treat COVID if people have it without trying to control people who could be asymptomatic.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

After awhile, we may give up thinking people are time bombs to the virus and like other conditions hopefully people go to their doctors when they do have symptoms.
In my head I think it's a foregone conclusion. I guess I'll see how this plays out.

Or, if we don't reach herd immunity and just allow COVID to continue to spread throughout the world's population, it will continue mutating until there are a bunch of variants, like what has happened with influenza. Yay.

In other words, people aren't concerned that the exempt can spread the virus only those who choose not to take the vaccine.

Medically exempt people cannot take the vaccine. So it's up to the rest of us to protect them. Again, like we do with the measles, pertussis, small pox, rubella, etc. vaccines.
There's no point harping on people who cannot get vaccinated. Instead we need to realize that herd immunity helps them, as much as it helps the rest of us.

The political issue is excusing the exempt but blaming those who made the choice not to vaccinate. If it were a health issue only then the focus would be on Both exempt and non-exempt because they both can spread the virus.

I fail to see what is political about that. The medically exempt cannot, by definition, get vaccinated.

That, and if it were just a health issue there'd be no such thing as anti-vaxxer.

What?

Oh. Was saying that provaxers belittle those who choose not to vaccinate but not those who are exempt.

Umm, yes, because again, by definition the medically exempt CANNOT be vaccinated. And so again, it's up to the rest of us to protect them.

I would assume that experts are finding ways that the exempt can take the vaccine too so they won't spread the virus. I don't know if they are doing that, though. At least not now. I don't know.

See above

 

[SkepticThinker]

I didn’t hear anything inaccurate and other information he would provide if wanted, what he said is exactly what happens with these viruses every year and also Ivermectin has been very successful but was suppressed for whatever reason and would’ve saved lives if people knew about that and were given that treatment. As far as VAERS, I posted the purpose from their website and you’re just adding your own spin.

And therein lies the problem.

I'm not adding any spin to VAERS. I'm telling you the fact of the matter, as acknowledged by the CDC themselves.
Why you won't acknowledge it, I don't know.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Political meaning there is no such thing as "anti-vax" and no debate about the effectiveness of vaccines since medically there are always pros and cons to every treatment.

If it's something like someone being allergic to the vaccine--which is something that does happen in a small percentage of the population--it isn't a choice and it's not political.

That's like saying it's political to excuse an autistic child who's non-verbal.

They can still spread the virus but they are exempt.

Edit.
My point is provax lighten their blame on the exempt than non-exempt even though they both can spread the virus. Therefore it's less of an health issue and more of political one.

That's exactly what happens when people chose to not get vaccinated. This isn't asking a Magic 8ball or drawing Tarot cards. This is looking at facts and data. From measles to covid, those not vaccinated have higher chances of being infected. This has brought back polio. It has brought back measles. And now it's causing the pandemic to linger on because those not vaccinated are nearly all of those going to the hospital and dying.

This is a political view (black/white blamed thinking, for example).

If someone decided not to take vaccine for measles because of whatever means I wouldn't think much of it. It doesn't concern me and making myself upset because I personally think it should concern others is a waste of energy.

Unvaccinated people have always been at a higher chance "in relation to the vaccinated"...that's nothing new. If COVID vaccines were not introduced we would all be at a higher chance of catching it. When media uses that as a guilt-trip to get people vaccinated I nearly laugh. The only few ways we are at an increase risk is if we put ourselves in positions like being around crowds that would increase our risk. Being unvaccinated in and of itself doesn't increase anything.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well, it did work, given that we're not all worried about contracting small pox, measles, etc. to any great degree anymore.

I'm sorry but the rest of your paragraph doesn't have much basis in reality. It was thanks to a worldwide vaccination program, started decades ago, that we're not all worrying about contracting small pox anymore.


I don't understand what you mean by this.


Or, if we don't reach herd immunity and just allow COVID to continue to spread throughout the world's population, it will continue mutating until there are a bunch of variants, like what has happened with influenza. Yay.


Medically exempt people cannot take the vaccine. So it's up to the rest of us to protect them. Again, like we do with the measles, pertussis, small pox, rubella, etc. vaccines.
There's no point harping on people who cannot get vaccinated. Instead we need to realize that herd immunity helps them, as much as it helps the rest of us.


I fail to see what is political about that. The medically exempt cannot, by definition, get vaccinated.



What?


Umm, yes, because again, by definition the medically exempt CANNOT be vaccinated. And so again, it's up to the rest of us to protect them.


See above

I have language issues and somewhat annoyed in general.

My overall points were

1. The vaccine worked for my small pox not because of herd immunity but because of the vaccine itself
2. Hopefully, they will continue to test and upgrade current vaccines.
To me it looks like we're trying to control something that cannot be controlled.
3. The political issue is blaming the non-exempt for the potential of spreading the virus and not the exempt when they both can ideally without the vaccine. I wonder if they are still upgrading the vaccine and ingredients so the exempt can take the vaccine too some day.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is a political view (black/white blamed thinking, for example).

It's not political. It's hard facts. You'd know this if you actually kept up the past several decades of medical breakthroughs and news.
And you are seriously very wrong thinking it's politicizing the exempt. It's not a choice for them. There's absolutely nothing they can do about it. You might as well shame a quadriplegic for not being able to climb a flight of stairs.
But those who can vaccinate and choose not to, they deserve their rightful blame for failing to act with a sense of social responsibility.
Amd the nerve to try to say we are politicizing those legitimately exempt. That's quite low.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And therein lies the problem.

I'm not adding any spin to VAERS. I'm telling you the fact of the matter, as acknowledged by the CDC themselves.
Why you won't acknowledge it, I don't know.

Dude I posted the purpose of VAERS and you’re still saying I’m using it as verified when it’s voluntary and not everyone who has an adverse affect even posts or knows about this. Fact is though when people voluntarily start saying they had problems with a vaccine CDC will look into this or is supposed to. It’s a good thing