UFOs thoughts?

[Ben Dhyan]

I suppose it's the amount of trust one places in authorities (of any sort) and which is not too high for me, given the corruption that goes on.

This is not Heaven, corruption is present everywhere, but the threat of prosecution if one lies to Congress may help to reduce dishonesty.

 

[Heyo]

This is not Heaven, corruption is present everywhere, but the threat of prosecution if one lies to Congress may help to reduce dishonesty.

The Pentagon "misplaced" a trillion dollar. Was anyone prosecuted?

 

[Subduction Zone]

U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have found no evidence that aerial phenomena witnessed by Navy pilots in recent years are alien spacecraft, but they still cannot explain the unusual movements that have mystified scientists and the military, according to senior administration officials briefed on the findings of a highly anticipated government report.

Oh darn.

 

[rational experiences]

Natural owns all expressed causes of change itself.

Human science knows that it used a machine condition to control reactions, when control and holding a reaction is not natural.

Reaction is the end state then cooling due to causes heating occurs afterwards.

Cooling is a known scientific spatial natural condition as heated bodies consume their own form, it opens more empty space and the opening of space imposes new cooling and also new pressure conditions as space emptiness grows.

Natural status.

Science says I can study natural and advise my own human self why changes in natural are occurring as I interact with natural by forced machine artificial conditions. As the designer of causes AI or artificial as a status.

Reason once speaking voice never existed. Reasoning animals the form before us do not speak and Trees the oxygenation of water our living status don't speak either.

However the state to RECORD did exist by itself in reactive heavenly gas history.....as a scientist theist I envisioned memories involving star group gas image recordings of Earths own history in the status imaged recorded memories.

No human in that scenario...as we are and never were the reactive history reason atmospheric body records.
Voice was not active in that scenario either. As humans own the speaking voice.

Yet the STATE to record existed before we did.

Science introduced the human life body and voice into the STATE to be recorded.

We now think we are involved with what a UFO state is.

History...asteroid God stones as mass pass by Earth releasing cold less radiating gases....cools irradiating space.
History.....Earth heavens is naturally not burning and naturally burning in a state vacuum void.

Gas burning radiation in a vacuum void removes heat and burning. We know as God the stone mass formed in this scenario to become non burning gases as just stone.

The sun in spatial conditions cold pressure changes and asteroid gases owned its own metal in space blocked out by gas mass.

Science heats up the Earth owned stone gases to burn convert them...then continues to burn them out of existing.

Effect gases in our heavens out of the God stone body start to extra burn also.

Cause effect. Asteroid gases keeping Earth historic attacks cooling stop assisting us as our stated Saviour. Reasoning stone objects and metal objects then come crashing into the ground.

Reasoning metals in space owned by the Sun start to heat close to Earth and fuse melting mass together. So we get huge bodies crashing into the ground.

Known. We always knew in science what the state UFO was we named it Satanism from Hell....the Sun history.

Science today says it is higher in human intelligence versus the status religious medical science warnings. And said it falsely. As medical science is just medical aware human conditions that does not involve the status science machine controlled changing Earths stone bodies. So to a human using egotism they derided human medical advice not stated by modern day medical sciences. As it was expressed as olden times medical awareness. Without the use machine technology.

Humans listed the asteroid wandering star as one of its God Saviours.
Humans listed ICE as one of the newly formed God Earth spirit conditions that saved life on Earth from its beast mutations the giant forms.
Humans said a stable animal DNA and human baby DNA depended on the status presence and continuance of the body of ICE.

Basic human advice that proved scientific practices are the introduced artificial evil form that caused natural states to change that causes natural bodies to then attack us.

Phenomena its statement was taught as a human science conjuring, because it was known by its conditions to have been caused by human science practices on Planet Earth.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Eit
WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have found no evidence that aerial phenomena witnessed by Navy pilots in recent years are alien spacecraft, but they still cannot explain the unusual movements that have mystified scientists and the military, according to senior administration officials briefed on the findings of a highly anticipated government report.

Oh darn.

That's reasonable, they can't explain the unusual aerial phenomena so it follows they can't rule out Aliens. Naturally they will only have the evidence one way or the other if they can get their hands on one.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

These are reasonable comments from reasonable people on the subject, nothing is ruled out yet.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's reasonable, they can't explain the unusual aerial phenomena so it follows they can't rule out Aliens. Naturally they will only have the evidence one way or the other if they can get their hands on one.

Some of the videos already have enough evidence. Some of the UFO's are simple objects. Such as birds. You remember that, don't you? That was the debate you lost by running away.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Some of the videos already have enough evidence. Some of the UFO's are simple objects. Such as birds. You remember that, don't you? That was the debate you lost by running away.

The question on the reality of UFOs is not determined by a debate on RF, it will be decided by evidence examined by scientific experts. As it stands according to your NYT article, while the video evidence alone is not sufficient to prove the UAPs are not of this planet, it is sufficient to say that Alien tech can not be ruled out.

Read the article again, if the UAPs were simple earthly objects, birds as you say, then how on earth would they say that Alien tech can not be ruled out?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The question on the reality of UFOs is not determined by a debate on RF, it will be decided by evidence examined by scientific experts. As it stands according to your NYT article, while the video evidence alone is not sufficient to prove the UAPs are not of this planet, it is sufficient to say that Alien tech can not be ruled out.

Read the article again, if the UAPs were simple earthly objects, birds as you say, then how on earth would they say that Alien tech can not be ruled out?

LOL!! One case was a bird. And you just made the classis error where you admitted that you were wrong by shifting the burden of proof. If you want to claim something crazy then the burden of proof is upon you. I can give you reasons that aliens is highly unlikely.

You should learn Hitchen's razor:

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

Hitchens's razor - Wikipedia.

If you cannot support your "aliens" claim then it can simply be ignored. It is no different from the shouting of a loon that "Bigfoot did it". When the size, altitude, velocity, and even pulsing beat of probable wing flapping match that of a bird then the answer is that the observed object was probably a bird. We know that birds exist. We do not know that "aliens" exist. So where is your evidence?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

LOL!! One case was a bird. And you just made the classis error where you admitted that you were wrong by shifting the burden of proof. If you want to claim something crazy then the burden of proof is upon you. I can give you reasons that aliens is highly unlikely.

You should learn Hitchen's razor:

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

Hitchens's razor - Wikipedia.

If you cannot support your "aliens" claim then it can simply be ignored. It is no different from the shouting of a loon that "Bigfoot did it". When the size, altitude, velocity, and even pulsing beat of probable wing flapping match that of a bird then the answer is that the observed object was probably a bird. We know that birds exist. We do not know that "aliens" exist. So where is your evidence?

Please try to be half way intelligent and use your mind, as I said, read the NYT article you posted. If there were any mundane explanation (such as a bird) for any of the UAPs, it would have been noted, instead we have a situation where the experts can not rule out Alien technology.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please try to be half way intelligent and use your mind, as I said, read the NYT article you posted. If there were any mundane explanation (such as a bird) for any of the UAPs, it would have been noted, instead we have a situation where the experts can not rule out Alien technology.

It does not matter if it does not mention specific examples. It appears that you either did not read it or did not understand it:

"The report determines that a vast majority of more than 120 incidents over the past two decades did not originate from any American military or other advanced U.S. government technology, the officials said. That determination would appear to eliminate the possibility that Navy pilots who reported seeing unexplained aircraft might have encountered programs the government meant to keep secret."

Why do you think that they would even mention that one single case? You are not thinking rationally.

And please. you just broke an irony meter when you made your "half way intelligent" demand. Don't forget you were the one that ran away from the explanation. That indicates that you know that you are wrong.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It does not matter if it does not mention specific examples. It appears that you either did not read it or did not understand it:

"The report determines that a vast majority of more than 120 incidents over the past two decades did not originate from any American military or other advanced U.S. government technology, the officials said. That determination would appear to eliminate the possibility that Navy pilots who reported seeing unexplained aircraft might have encountered programs the government meant to keep secret."

Why do you think that they would even mention that one single case? You are not thinking rationally.

And please. you just broke an irony meter when you made your "half way intelligent" demand. Don't forget you were the one that ran away from the explanation. That indicates that you know that you are wrong.

I agree that most of the UAPs are not US made objects, That means the rest are real UAPs for which we know for sure some have capabilities beyond the laws of physics as we know, so it follows that while the experts can not say this is evidence of alien tech, they can not rule it out.

What is really clear, of all of these UAP cases, we know of no cases where birds were mistaken for the UAP.

So that we can get closure to this back and forth, what precisely do you think it means when the article says that while there is no evidence of Alien technology, nothing can be ruled out?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agree that most of the UAPs are not US made objects, That means the rest are real UAPs for which we know for sure some have capabilities beyond the laws of physics as we know, so it follows that while the experts can not say this is evidence of alien tech, they can not rule it out.

What is really clear, of all of these UAP cases, we know of no cases where birds were mistaken for the UAP.

So that we can get closure to this back and forth, what precisely do you think it means when the article say that while there is no evidence of Alien technology, nothing can be ruled out?

No, logic 101 fail. It only means that we do not know what some of them are at the very most.

Try again.

And yes, we do know of one case that was most likely a bird.

As to what they mean by none of it is US technology that should be rather clear. The US is quite aware of the tech that we have and when hi tech gear is being used. It is relatively easy to rule out US technology. The videos would almost certainly have never been released if there was a chance of that. The rest are simply a big "we don't know yet".

One of the examples of releasing the videos is that they allow others to find explanations for them. Such as a bird in one case. Or in another case unfocused lights . An unfocused point source will give an image that is repeats the shape of the fstops of the camera. The small triangular shaped blurs that flashed with the frequency of FAA approved landing lights was a dead giveaway. Do you think aliens would copy FAA approved navigation lights?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, logic 101 fail. It only means that we do not know what some of them are at the very most.

Try again.

And yes, we do know of one case that was most likely a bird.

As to what they mean by none of it is US technology that should be rather clear. The US is quite aware of the tech that we have and when hi tech gear is being used. It is relatively easy to rule out US technology. The videos would almost certainly have never been released if there was a chance of that. The rest are simply a big "we don't know yet".

One of the examples of releasing the videos is that they allow others to find explanations for them. Such as a bird in one case. Or in another case unfocused lights . An unfocused point source will give an image that is repeats the shape of the fstops of the camera. The small triangular shaped blurs that flashed with the frequency of FAA approved landing lights was a dead giveaway. Do you think aliens would copy FAA approved navigation lights?

Let us take this step by step concerning 'nothing can be ruled out'.

You are saying "It only means that we do not know what some of them are at the very most.".

So it follows from your own words, that one of the possibilities that we do not know is that some of them are alien.

Do you understand?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let us take this step by step concerning 'nothing can be ruled out'.

You are saying "It only means that we do not know what some of them are at the very most.".

So it follows from your own words, that one of the possibilities that we do not know is that some of them are alien.

Do you understand?

LOL!! Do you understand. There goes another irony meter. Yes, some of them could be alien. And some of them could be Bigfoot. The odds are about the same.

You are trying to shift the burden of proof, which considering that you have no evidence, that is about the best that you can do.

When so many times with new technology we run into glitches and oddities that are later explained it is always very silly to jump to the claim of "aliens!!!"

 

[Ben Dhyan]

This should settle it.

Government Says UFOs Aren’t American Technology, Can’t Rule Out Alien Origins

Andrew Daniels 11 hrs ago

In the first taste of a feverishly anticipated report the Pentagon will release later this month, U.S. intelligence officials say they haven’t found evidence that recent documented sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), better known as unidentified flying objects (UFOs), have extraterrestrial origins.

According to senior administration officials with knowledge of the forthcoming report, however, the briefing only appears to confirm the UAP aren’t products of U.S. military or government technology, per a New York Times preview published June 3. That the Pentagon can’t conclusively eliminate other possible explanations for observations of the mysterious aircraft means the popular alien theory remains in play—for now.

Government Says UFOs Aren’t American Technology, Can’t Rule Out Alien Origins

 

[Ben Dhyan]

LOL!! Do you understand. There goes another irony meter. Yes, some of them could be alien. And some of them could be Bigfoot. The odds are about the same.

You are trying to shift the burden of proof, which considering that you have no evidence, that is about the best that you can do.

When so many times with new technology we run into glitches and oddities that are later explained it is always very silly to jump to the claim of "aliens!!!"

I take that as an admission on your part that some of them could be alien when you say " Yes, some of them could be alien"

Yay!!!!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

I take that as an admission on your part that some of them could be alien when you say " Yes, some of them could be alien"

Yay!!!!!

As long as you say "they could have been Bigfoot".

 

[Ben Dhyan]

As long as you say "they could have been Bigfoot".

Well ok, but then we could not rule out a flying Bigfoot as possibly being an alien?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well ok, but then we could not rule out a flying Bigfoot as possibly being an alien?

Nope, it has to be a local one.