I don't know any Christian that teaches Satan is Jesus s brother ?
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"What Jesus REALLY meant was ...."
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Colt
Well-Known Member
Absolutely not! I don't worship the Bible. That's fetishism and Biblical idolatry. There are many historical and factual errors in the books of the Bible. Holy men wrote the Bible, some more holy than others.
Thats according to the Bible.
All Christians teach the Father is the Father of all.
I believe the bible. I don't worship it . There's a difference.
All Christians teach that Jesus created Satan ,because the bible says so . So how different is LDS saying Jesus is his brother ? quite radically different. And this is not the only radical difference.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
First off, you can't "contradict" something that is never stated. If the Bible has said, "Jesus appeared nowhere else in the world but the Holy Land at any time after His resurrection," we'd have a contradiction. That's not the case, though, so we don't.
As for your "simple logic," I'd say "stupid logic" is more like it. I'm trying to figure out if you're just playing dumb or if you really are this clueless. First off, let's forget about China. It is completely irrelevant to this conversation. Of course, the writers of the Bible did not mention that Christ appeared elsewhere in the New World after His resurrection. They weren't in the New World to witness the event, and He didn't return to the Holy Land afterwards to tell them about it! They weren't even aware that it took place and didn't need to. If you took a trip to San Francisco and your friends or family in San Francisco wrote about it in their journals and if you later took a trip to New York and your friends or family there talked about your visit in their journals, but if neither group on either coast mentioned the other, does that mean one of them is wrong?
It would be a whole lot easier, Barry, if you were to just say, "I don't believe it happened," than to try to prove that it didn't happen. You're not going to succeed at that, any more than I could succeed at proving it did happen.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Satan existed before Jesus's time.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Well, 16 million of them do, whether you know them personally or not. You seem to have a real issue with the idea that one of God's children was arrogant, rebellious and evil. Why?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
And you need to show where the Bible says that literally every truth there is is found within its pages. Good luck with that.
You don't know the bible if you think its about logic . Jesus would have lied if he visited other places and did other random things .
Did you mean 16 million Mormons ?
If the bible says Jesus created Lucifer how can he be his brother?
Which bible verse says this ?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Here's the link to click on: Bible, Revised Standard Version
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Barry, I would genuinely appreciate your not putting words in my mouth. I never said that there is "no difference" between what you and I believe. What I did was list 16 points on which I believe we can see eye-to-eye, as evidence that your statement that our beliefs are "not even close" is false. We have a few things in common. We also have some differences. I'm just asking that you not exaggerate. Is that too much to ask?
Actually, Joseph Smith never said "all churches are an abomination and corrupt." What he said was that Jesus Christ described the Creeds as "an abomination in [his] sight." There's a big difference there. And may I remind you again that you appear to see every other brand of Christianity other than your own as corrupt. So how are you so different? Finally, I can assure you that the number of hours you've spent studying Mormonism pales in comparison to thee number of hours I have. A Kindergartener can proudly state that he knows all the letters of the alphabet, but how meaningful is that, really, when comparing his knowledge of a Ph.D.?
If you'd like to talk specifically about what's "behind the menu," you can start another thread and we can do so. But if you do, for crying out loud, at least have the common courtesy to let me or another Mormon speak as to what Mormons believe. We know our religion far better than you do.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
If Jane already addressed your criticisms of Mormonism in depth, then you are being disingenuous to feign ignorance. She told you what we believe and you have simply disregarded what she told you and posted the same lies all over again. How should we respond when you do that?
I believe the Bible comes from God , That the Bible is true and God cannot lie .
The 16 point list ,I addressed. Its my understanding that the 16 points on the surface sound like they agree with Christianity but IMO this is Just on the surface. When you break down each point ,it's not talking about the same things.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
All of the sons of God are brothers. Prior to Lucifer's being cast out of Heaven for rebellion, he was one of God's children and a brother to Jesus Christ, God's Only Begotten. From the moment he was cast out, he became permanently estranged from God, was disowned by Him and lost the right to ever again be called one of God's children. Lucifier's rebellion was a reflection on him and him alone. It had absolutely no bearing on Jesus Christ's role as our Savior and Redeemer. Besides, this concept is not one invented by Mormonism. The relationship between Jesus Christ and Satan was taught anciently. In the third century, the Christian writer, Lactantius, wrote:
"Before creating the world, God produced a spirit like himself, replete with the virtues of the Father. Later He made another, in whom the mark of divine origin was erased, because this one was besmirched by the poison of jealousy and turned therefore from good to evil. He was jealous of his older brother who, remaining united with the Father, insured his affection unto himself. This being who from good became bad is called devil by the Greeks."
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