Is Biden Partially Responsible For People Not Getting Vacinated?

[Jainarayan]

There’s a pretty big assumption “out there” that everyone is going to be vaccinated. Whether they are or not (they’re not), I don’t think masks are ever going to go away, whether by personal choice or official mandates. Masks are here to stay. First people were going bat **** crazy and losing their minds over Trump “downplaying” the virus. Now they’re going bat **** crazy and losing their minds over Biden “downplaying the vaccine” and wearing a mask.

 

[exchemist]

The teacher's unions are not opposing reopening schools. They are against reopening schools before all teachers and older students are vaccinated. They are against reopening schools before adequate measures are in place to ensure everyone's safety. Those are not contradictory positions.


Can you give some examples. Examples better than and more realistic than the one about schools.


Can you give some examples. Examples better than and more realistic than the one about schools.

Yeah. Trump was so much better at setting good examples for the sheeple. Examples like rallies without masks. Uh huh.

And the bleach, and shoving a light up your arse.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How so? Did you not say:

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You also said:

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How did I misquote you?

Correction. I was talking to Shadow Wolf and you intervened.

Looks like you're split up the quotes. It's hard to follow them.

Let's see. I was talking to @Shadow Wolf about the term covidiot and where that came from. She said "People come up with new words every now and then, and word trends and usages come and go all the time. (26)"

But then she also said in the same post

And when you have people refusing to accept the facts and pretend it's all about "me" and act in ways that have consequences for other people, feeling anger is normal. Nearly 580,000 people in America alone have died from covid, many of them who refused to believe this is a thing and refused to take it seriously. And their recklessness and selfishness put everyone around them in danger.

I asked her why does keep bringing up those facts. People can be very informed of the facts and still make a justified and moral decision to not take the vaccine.

What you said:

The facts are that 582,000 Americans died of Covid.
The facts are that 0 Americans died from the Covid vaccine.
The facts are that 1 in 515 Americans died of Covid.
The facts are that 0 in 100,000,000 Americans died from the Covid vaccine.

How can one come up with a rational reason for not getting vaccinated based on those facts?

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I don't know if Shadow Wolf was making that point or not.

But I'm not everyone. I'm sure the minority doesn't base their reasoning of taking a new treatment based primarily on how many people died without it. Of course that's a huge deciding factor when someone Does have an illness and thinking about treatment.

Using it for probability of infection is like my taking Advil or have chemotherapy just in case I have a headache or cancer.

Is there other reasons you guys decide to take the vaccine other than how many people died without it?

 

[Jainarayan]

Correction. I was talking to Shadow Wolf and you intervened.

Looks like you're split up the quotes. It's hard to follow them.

Excuse me? My response? I wasn't addressing anyone in particular. Making general posts is something that happens on internet forums.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Excuse me? My response? I wasn't addressing anyone in particular. Making general posts is something that happens on internet forums.

Huh?

You're not Shadow Wolf or Ecco.

What are you talking about?

 

[Jainarayan]

Huh?

You're not Shadow Wolf or Ecco.

What are you talking about?

Your response "Correction. I was talking to Shadow Wolf and you intervened.

Looks like you're split up the quotes. It's hard to follow them.", without quoting anyone came immediately after mine. It looked like you were addressing me.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your response "Correction. I was talking to Shadow Wolf and you intervened.

Looks like you're split up the quotes. It's hard to follow them.", without quoting anyone came immediately after mine. It looked like you were addressing me.

Oh. That's forums for ya.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We hear constantlly from this administration that everyone should be vaccinated against Covid.
Yet we continue to see Biden wearing a mask outdoors when the CDC says it is not necessary.
Given that, is Biden sending the wrong message? Basically saying even if you are vaccinated you are not safe.
I was always thought that a leader should set the example.

Then again maybe he thinks he won the election because he wasn't seen; therefor wearing a mask will help him politically.

Wearing a mask outdoors may be overkill. But in crowded areas it is still a good idea even then.

Usually the outdoors is safer for two reasons. One, the air does get quickly diluted. Fresh air is constantly there. Second, it is usually very easy to socially distance. But in crowded areas where one has to be in constant close contact with others a mask is still a good idea.

And one must remember how masks work. They are more efficient at stopping sick people from spreading the virus than from preventing healthy people from getting it. With an incubation period that averages five days that leaves a lot of time where a person that is ill, but does not know it can spread the disease to others.

What is odd about this thread is that the OP has almost nothing to do with the title.

Now, can the government be doing a better job? Of course. There can always be improvements made. I finally got my first dose yesterday. But I took several times trying to arrange a vaccination online to no avail. Finally I remembered that one source had a customer service number. I thought that I would have to spend an almost unending amount of time on the phone waiting. But I was pleasantly surprised. My call did not go on hold. I was signed up within ten minutes. When I got my shot yesterday all I did was check in. Answer a few questions. And then got the injection. The longest part of the whole thing was waiting for fifteen minutes after the shot to go home.

It would be nice if they could update the computer system a bit, but you could do what I did. Call a number. It was so easy.

 

[ecco]

Your reading comprehension appears to have issues.
Suggest remedial reading education.

Not at all. When I wrote...

That's a rather long and complex article. Perhaps you could summarize the findings in a few paragraphs in your own words.

...it was a not so subtle challenge to you to see if you had actually read the article yourself. It was a challenge to you to see if you actually understood what was in the article you linked.

The reason I did and do that is that I find there are people in these forums who have a habit of posting links to articles to imply that they have supporting evidence for their assertions. Often, they don't. Often, if they had actually read the article, and understood it, they would have seen that it doesn't. Many times they think the headline will be enough to get us "ignoramuses" to just throw our hands in the air and say "WOW! That article sure put me in my place."

The timing is really interesting because I just outed someone in another thread for doing exactly that. He didn't even read the bullet points that refuted his argument.


So, now that you understand where I'm coming from...Perhaps you could summarize the findings (of your linked article) in a few paragraphs in your own words.

 

[ecco]

And the bleach, and shoving a light up your arse.

How come you get to say "arse" but my "***" gets asterisked?

 

[exchemist]

How come you get to say "arse" but my "***" gets asterisked?

That's one of the perks of being a Brit on an American-administered forum, apparently.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How come you get to say "arse" but my "***" gets asterisked?

LOL! I made a comment about that the other day. I just substitute the word "donkey".

 

[ecco]

What you said:

The facts are that 582,000 Americans died of Covid.
The facts are that 0 Americans died from the Covid vaccine.
The facts are that 1 in 515 Americans died of Covid.
The facts are that 0 in 100,000,000 Americans died from the Covid vaccine.

How can one come up with a rational reason for not getting vaccinated based on those facts?​

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I don't know if Shadow Wolf was making that point or not.

But I'm not everyone. I'm sure the minority doesn't base their reasoning of taking a new treatment based primarily on how many people died without it. Of course that's a huge deciding factor when someone Does have an illness and thinking about treatment.

But I'm not everyone. I'm sure the minority doesn't base their reasoning of taking a new treatment based primarily on how many people died without it.

A vaccine is not a treatment. That's one reason your analogies fail.

Using it for probability of infection is like my taking Advil or have chemotherapy just in case I have a headache or cancer.

Not even remotely the same. If you go out in public you won't get cancer from the people around you. Being around other people is not a reason to get chemotherapy.

If you go out in public you have a pretty good chance of getting COVID from the people around you. Being around other people is a very good reason to get vaccinated. 32,000,000 unvaccinated Americans got COVID. 0 vaccinated Americans got COVID.

 

[ecco]

LOL! I made a comment about that the other day. I just substitute the word "donkey".

So did the New King James...

King James Bible

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.​

New King James Version

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
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ETA: RF may *** the word, but even Bible hub allows

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ETAETA: I guess I should add a in the hopes of not getting slapped for finding a way around the RF guidelines.

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[Unveiled Artist]

A vaccine is not a treatment. That's one reason your analogies fail.

Replace it with different types of vaccines. (Anything you use to help your health and well-being)

Not even remotely the same. If you go out in public you won't get cancer from the people around you. Being around other people is not a reason to get chemotherapy.

If you go out in public you have a pretty good chance of getting COVID from the people around you. Being around other people is a very good reason to get vaccinated. 32,000,000 unvaccinated Americans got COVID. 0 vaccinated Americans got COVID.

The context is the same.

You get the vaccine just in case you get COVID not after
But you don't take Advil just in case you get a headache, but after.

No one is debating on how many people died and why its important.

I asked if that is the primary factor for you to take vaccines based on how many people have died without it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So did the New King James...

King James Bible

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.​

New King James Version

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
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ETA: RF may *** the word, but even Bible hub allows

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s
s

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ETAETA: I guess I should add a in the hopes of not getting slapped for finding a way around the RF guidelines.

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The problem is that arse is the same exact word as the bad American version of "donkey". If you are calling someone an arse or talk about the genius idea (quite presidential) idea of shoving a flashlight (or "torch" though to me that sounds far more painful) up ones bottom you could are talking about the same bad "donkey".

 

[ecco]

You get the vaccine just in case you get COVID not after

No. You get the vaccine to prevent getting COVID, not just in case.

Replace it with different types of vaccines. (Anything you use to help your health and well-being)

REPEAT: A vaccine is not a treatment.

No one is debating on how many people died and why its important.

It's important because it clearly shows what happens to people who don't get vaccinated versus people who do get vaccinated. It clearly shows the odds. Would you play casino games with no understanding of the odds?

I asked if that is the primary factor for you to take vaccines based on how many people have died without it.

Duh. Even now we have 200-300 dying per day. All those people did not get vaccinated. Sure it matters.

I listened to the scientists last March when they said it would be deadly. I cut down on my contacts with the "outside world". By April - May 2000 people per day were dying because they didn't/couldn't isolate. Source:Graphic: Coronavirus deaths in the U.S., per day

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No. You get the vaccine to prevent getting COVID, not just in case.



REPEAT: A vaccine is not a treatment.



It's important because it clearly shows what happens to people who don't get vaccinated versus people who do get vaccinated. It clearly shows the odds. Would you play casino games with no understanding of the odds?




Duh. Even now we have 200-300 dying per day. All those people did not get vaccinated. Sure it matters.

I listened to the scientists last March when they said it would be deadly. I cut down on my contacts with the "outside world". By April - May 2000 people per day were dying because they didn't/couldn't isolate. Source:Graphic: Coronavirus deaths in the U.S., per day

Please take a break and re-read my post with a fresh eye and assertive composure.

None of what I said was meant to refute what you're saying.

 

[crossfire]

Please tell us what actions Trump took. In your own words from reliable sources.

I live within miles of where the first reported case and the first reported COVID outbreak in the US occurred. Trump sent Mike Pence out here to coordinate with our Governor and to get some temporary hospitals set up in advance of the expected widespread outbreak in the area. The people here responded so well with the bipartisan support and voluntarily started sheltering in place to the point that the initial outbreaks here were well contained, (unlike the situation in New York area) our hospitals were not overwhelmed, and the extra field hospitals and the Navy hospital ship were not needed. We were even able to ship 400 hospital respirators over to New York. This was while Trump announced Operation Warp Speed and had the heads of Pfizer and Moderna on stage with him during the announcement.

All of this occurred before the whole Covid thing became politicized.

Here is one of the things he did...

Trump administration spent billions in hospital funds on Warp Speed

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration quietly took around $10 billion from a fund meant to help hospitals and health care providers affected by Covid-19 and used the money to bankroll Operation Warp Speed contracts, four former Trump administration officials told STAT.


The Trump White House’s attitude was that agencies shouldn’t ask Congress for more money until they spent the Covid-19 relief money they had already received, the former HHS official said. That same attitude also motivated the administration’s active lobbying effort to deny states more funds to help distribute vaccines.​

With the expectation of selling billions of shots of a vaccine, many companies began vaccine research.

Ok.

Far more important are the other things he did:
He downplayed the threat for at least a month.
He ridiculed science and made an *** of himself by asking that doctors look into injecting/drinking bleach.
He ridiculed science and made an *** of himself by his refusal to accept mask wearing.
He did nothing to improve the availability and distribution of good masks and oxygen supplies.
He disparaged states from shutting down businesses like bars.

This all occurred after the whole Covid thing became politicized, when the populated areas with lots of international travel (Democratic party strongholds) started getting outbreaks. GOP areas were not as affected at this time, so he was free to go "neener-neener-neener" at the Democratic areas in order to energize his GOP base, with all of the election campaign stuff going on. Of course, Trump's tune changed a bit when the outbreaks reached into GOP strongholds--he announced, "don't worry, the cavalry is on its way."

My conclusion: pandemics and election campaigns do not mix well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I live within miles of where the first reported case and the first reported COVID outbreak in the US occurred. Trump sent Mike Pence out here to coordinate with our Governor and to get some temporary hospitals set up in advance of the expected widespread outbreak in the area. The people here responded so well with the bipartisan support and voluntarily started sheltering in place to the point that the initial outbreaks here were well contained, (unlike the situation in New York area) our hospitals were not overwhelmed, and the extra field hospitals and the Navy hospital ship were not needed. We were even able to ship 400 hospital respirators over to New York. This was while Trump announced Operation Warp Speed and had the heads of Pfizer and Moderna on stage with him during the announcement.

All of this occurred before the whole Covid thing became politicized.


Ok.


This all occurred after the whole Covid thing became politicized, when the populated areas with lots of international travel (Democratic party strongholds) started getting outbreaks. GOP areas were not as affected at this time, so he was free to go "neener-neener-neener" at the Democratic areas in order to energize his GOP base, with all of the election campaign stuff going on. Of course, Trump's tune changed a bit when the outbreaks reached into GOP strongholds--he announced, "don't worry, the cavalry is on its way."

My conclusion: pandemics and election campaigns do not mix well.

Trump relies quite a bit on his personality driving out the vote. That is why he probably continued his rallies even when they were explained to be dangerous to his own followers. He also did not advocate for mask usage during his rallies. He is going to be rated poorly in history because he kept downplaying the pandemic. And Biden avoided excessive rallies. He also advocated mail in ballots. Trump did the opposite. He did not appear to care to much if people risked their lives for him. He overrated his own popularity due to his method of campaigning. And since mail in ballots are almost always counted last he was shocked when states started positive for him but kept turning Blue.