Why I CANNOT Believe in The Resurrection

[ElishaElijah]

You have to be kidding me. She was part of an armed mob storming the capitol. She was the first to break into an area. That was clearly a justified shoot.

Such a poor ability to judge only makes your case even worse.

She wasn’t armed, not allowed firearms

 

[ElishaElijah]

He may believe what he writes. That does not make it fact. You cannot pick only the people that you agree with you need to look at the claims of everyone. And reality refutes his claims.

If you’re going to look at everyone’s claims then here’s one Defense use of force expert testifies Derek Chauvin's treatment of George Floyd was 'objectively reasonable'

 

[Subduction Zone]

She wasn’t armed, not allowed firearms

So what? Michael Brown was not armed either, but you could see why his shooting was legitimate. When one appears to put different standards of behavior on people of different races one appears to be racist.

Once again, she was part of an armed mob trying to stage an insurrection. As a result even if personally unarmed she was part of a larger body that was. When one joins a group one takes on the guilt of the group.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you’re going to look at everyone’s claims then here’s one Defense use of force expert testifies Derek Chauvin's treatment of George Floyd was 'objectively reasonable'

Of course they were able to find some that could argue for them. They did not appear to make a convincing argument. Heck, pay me money and I might have tried to form an argument. Those people do not even have to believe the arguments that the give. They only have to make them sound convincing. He failed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you’re going to look at everyone’s claims then here’s one Defense use of force expert testifies Derek Chauvin's treatment of George Floyd was 'objectively reasonable'

Even that source does not support you very well. He got one fact right:

"Any resistance, handcuffed or not, should go to a proned control position"

The problem is that once controlled certain ways of controlling people are not allowed. And there is not a lot of support for Chauvin from that expert. He did not justify the continued use of the knee on the neck. It appears that he only supported the original application of it.

You need to look at what the people that trained Chauvin testified:

"This was murder — it wasn't a lack of training," Arradondo said, adding that that was why he "took swift action" and fired the four officers involved in the incident a day after Floyd's death.

"The officers knew what was happening — one intentionally caused it, and the others failed to prevent it," Arradondo said in June.

On Monday — this time from the witness stand — Arradondo again rebuked Derek Chauvin, the former officer who prosecutors said knelt on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes, 29 seconds. It marked a rare instance of a police chief's testifying against a police officer. (Arradondo also testified in the trial of Mohamed Noor, a former police officer who was convicted of killing Justine Damond in 2017.)

Derek Chauvin 'absolutely' violated policy, Minneapolis police chief testifies


Please note, he also testified against a black officer that killed a white woman. He does not appear to be favoring any race in his application of the law.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Of course they were able to find some that could argue for them. They did not appear to make a convincing argument. Heck, pay me money and I might have tried to form an argument. Those people do not even have to believe the arguments that the give. They only have to make them sound convincing. He failed.

So the experts themselves disagree

 

[Subduction Zone]

So the experts themselves disagree

No, they really don't. The expert that you cited appeared to support the initial use of the knee. No one opposed that. It was leaving it there for an excessively long period of time that appeared to have killed Chauvin.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So what? Michael Brown was not armed either, but you could see why his shooting was legitimate. When one appears to put different standards of behavior on people of different races one appears to be racist.

Once again, she was part of an armed mob trying to stage an insurrection. As a result even if personally unarmed she was part of a larger body that was. When one joins a group one takes on the guilt of the group.

Look at the video, there were cops at the doors and they moved out of the way, that whole scene was odd if you ask me. Idiots breaking down the door, cops moving out of the way, the officer shoots like that was way off.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Perhaps you have a better video. This shows an armed violent mob attacking a doorway. She was the first one through. Guess what you can expect if you re at the forefront of an armed mob trying to kill others:

Video shows new angle of Ashli Babbitt shooting inside Capitol

 

[F1fan]

As far as diversity both parties are about the same if you’re looking at outward appearance. The problem with you and Democrats is that’s your focus, skin color. That’s racist

No. Acknowledging who people are, and how some people of color experience racism is NOT itself racism.

Carefully look at the photo below.

Meet the New Freshmen in Congress

 

[F1fan]

Did I reject expert testimony? No Am I able to form an opinion outside an expert opinion. And it’s true that if Floyd wasn’t drugged up he would be alive today unless Covid didn’t get him. If he wasn’t drugged up he wouldn’t have acted like he did, forcing the cop to use the force he did to control him. Then you have the crowd around the cops contributing to the confusion, the delay of the ambulance as well and all you can see is one part. That’s where your judgement is off. If Floyd was white the situation wouldn’t have been reported or it would’ve been his fault for resisting and being on drugs. You know it’s true.

Yes you posted opinions contrary to experts, and you offered no credentials to why your opinion is superior. So that arrogance is why we reject your points.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Perhaps you have a better video. This shows an armed violent mob attacking a doorway. She was the first one through. Guess what you can expect if you re at the forefront of an armed mob trying to kill others:

Video shows new angle of Ashli Babbitt shooting inside Capitol

I see armed officers, the whole scene is weird to me.https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/

 

[F1fan]

I understand you’re unable to read and see how racists Democrats are, nice stunt by Pelosi, lol! Hacks And you will defend that is even worse. Oh and put your handkerchief down to protect your knee lol!

Do you consider the priorities of Democrats to make voting easier for citizens, and opposing efforts by Republicans to limit the voting access for people of color, as indicative of racists? How do you explain that black citizens tend to vote for Democrats if they are so racist?

Are you suggesting Democrats are racist, but Republicans are more racist so people of color vote for the lesser of two evils?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see armed officers, the whole scene is weird to me.https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/

You must be blind. There is an armed mob in that video too.

 

[F1fan]

She wasn’t armed, not allowed firearms

The officers protecting government officials had no way of knowing what sort of weapons the mob had. The violence of the mob was unpredictable. The people knew officers had guns drawn and were warned not to enter. This illustrates the danger of mob mentality, and groupthink.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes you posted opinions contrary to experts, and you offered no credentials to why your opinion is superior. So that arrogance is why we reject your points.

I told you multiple times my reasoning with the autopsy report, the crowd etc. Not sure where you get superior opinion, seems like common sense. The guy was high and resisted arrest, had enough drugs in his system that could’ve caused his breathing issues even overdose, deranged thinking causing the cop to use the force he did. Floyd wouldn’t get into the cop car and was forcefully resisting.

 

[F1fan]

I told you multiple times my reasoning with the autopsy report, the crowd etc. Not sure where you get superior opinion, seems like common sense. The guy was high and resisted arrest, had enough drugs in his system that could’ve caused his breathing issues even overdose, deranged thinking causing the cop to use the force he did. Floyd wouldn’t get into the cop car and was forcefully resisting.

You had reason why you have different opinions. They weren't rational or factual. So we threw them out.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The officers protecting government officials had no way of knowing what sort of weapons the mob had. The violence of the mob was unpredictable. The people knew officers had guns drawn and were warned not to enter. This illustrates the danger of mob mentality, and groupthink.

A staff can easily kill a person. One does not need a gun or a knife to be "armed". The video he provided shows representatives in the background. The police officers at the front protecting the door were convinced to leave. The people continued to attack the doorway. An officer pulled out his guns and members of the mob noticed it but continued to attack. The first to try to get through was shot. At that point they realized that they were not going to be allowed to kill people without resistance and their attack crumpled.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The officers protecting government officials had no way of knowing what sort of weapons the mob had. The violence of the mob was unpredictable. The people knew officers had guns drawn and were warned not to enter. This illustrates the danger of mob mentality, and groupthink.

They had cops at the door, tactical officers in the rear. They could’ve squashed that group easily, they moved out of the way. Looked like a set-up.
So you were ok with the cop shooting the knife wielding girl? Just checking

 

[Subduction Zone]

I told you multiple times my reasoning with the autopsy report, the crowd etc. Not sure where you get superior opinion, seems like common sense. The guy was high and resisted arrest, had enough drugs in his system that could’ve caused his breathing issues even overdose, deranged thinking causing the cop to use the force he did. Floyd wouldn’t get into the cop car and was forcefully resisting.

And the testimony in court refuted it. You claimed "overdose" I asked you a question about that. You did not answer.

The coroner testified that no pills were found in his system. That is evidence against overdose. There was time for his system to digest the material that accompanies pills. That would indicate that the fentanyl had been in his body for some time. The dose was going down, not up. An overdose would have occurred earlier.