Personal forgiveness is different from atoning for someone's sin. That person doesn't have to pay for their wrongdoings because it's not my place to judge them. God can't freely forgive us for the same reason that a judge can't freely forgive a person who committed a crime. Why do you think there's no such thing as sin? Don't we all do things that we know we aren't supposed to do?
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Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?
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Personal forgiveness is different from atoning for someone's sin. That person doesn't have to pay for their wrongdoings because it's not my place to judge them. God can't freely forgive us for the same reason that a judge can't freely forgive a person who committed a crime. Why do you think there's no such thing as sin? Don't we all do things that we know we aren't supposed to do?
Who are we that God has to introduce Himself to us? Was God dying for everyone not enough? We are the creation God is the Creator. Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
God interacted with people in the Old Covenant different from the way He did in the New Covenant. They were under law, not grace. That's why Moses was banned from entering the promised land. The Old Covenant was fulfilled in Christ. God doesn't speak audibly today for the same reason the gift of tongues doesn't exist today-there's no need for it. Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
SeekingAllTruth
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If he can interact with them audibly then he can do it today. God is omnipotent, remember?
SeekingAllTruth
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No, it's not enough. If we're just creatures to God then he has no business wanting us to call him father. We are not his children, we're just objects to him.
SeekingAllTruth
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Then he's not omnipotent. He's a slave to principle.
That's like saying a judge is a slave to principle for punishing people who don't follow the laws. There are consequences to doing the wrong thing.
God interacted with people differently in different dispensations of history. Believers today have a closeness to God that Job didn't have. Jesus didn't just die on the cross so that we could be forgiven of our sins but so that we could come before God. Jesus removed the barrier of sin from between people and God, and it's up to the person if they want to accept it.
God desires a relationship with His creation like a parent with estranged kids desires a relationship with those kids. Wouldn't you want to know your parents? That is why God is looking for people who will seek Him and strive to do the right thing.
SeekingAllTruth
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Lots of parents are content to just forget about their kids. God seems to be that kind of a father.
SeekingAllTruth
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We don't need Jesus to come before God. Jesus didn't need to die. Completely unnecessary. Just an invention of the church to keep people enslaved to the church leaders. I'm shocked you can't recognize that.
SeekingAllTruth
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You forget a judge has discretion to set aside verdicts if he feels it's just. God can do the same.
A judge setting aside verdicts if he feels it's just actually supports that hell is eternal separation from God because a judge can only do those things within the parameters of what is just. God is loving, but He is also just. Even the most fair judge has to be just.
Our sins separate us from God. God is holy and just we are imperfect. We could never be perfect. Jesus died on the cross not just to forgive us but to remove the barrier of sin from between people and God. A lot of people confuse the church leaders with having a relationship with God. You don't have to like the church leaders. They are whatever, they are human beings.
God doesn't forget about people, people forget about God. Most people don't wanna know God. The world is not God forsaken it's a world that has forsaken God.
SeekingAllTruth
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The world has forsaken God because he forsook them first. He's a deist God who doesn't care two cents about us and he proves it every single day.
SeekingAllTruth
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There's no such thing as sin. It's an invention of the church to keep people enslaved to it. Therefore there was no need for Jesus to die on any manner, not from jumping off a temple OR on a cross. No need for it.
SeekingAllTruth
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If God sends people to hell against his will then he is om-impotent.
People forsake God because they want to be their own God. It's the same reason that humanity was separated from God in the Garden of Eden and the same reason why the angels rebelled against God.
A judge has the power to decide people's fate but he still has to make his decisions within the guidelines of what is just.