Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Dave Watchman]

Page 31. Has the matter been settled yet?

That what I'm saying too.

We're gonna break the internet.

Look at Polymath.

82 posts from an Atheist trying to prove that God don't exist.

It's been a hoot rapping with you cats.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think the prophecies are very good.

But when coupled with the prophetic time periods, they knock it out of the ballpark as a team.

Now if you can't be serious you really should not attempt at debating. I have only seen failed prophecies from the Bible. Let's see if you can be honest when it comes to prophesies. Can you name any failed prophecies in the Bible? This will tell us whether you are a student of the Bible or a mere idolator of the Bible.

It don't think he was.

Nor am I.

A prophet has to come from God.

That is not a valid objection. So please try again. You need more than that to say that he is not a prophet. You make your own prophecies worthless by using special pleading fallacies.

No,

The angel told John in 95AD that it would happen.

Five were already fallen, proved false by Jesus' birth,death, and resurrection.

One that was in operation at that time, the new Christian Church.

And one which had not come yet, but when it did arrive, would only stay for a brief time, until it was found corrupt as well.

These all lead up to the 8th king, Lucifer's theocratic one world state.

Looks like it's happening now.

So the composite beast must be watching.

Might be time for me to de-platform myself.

Before he has the chance to sabotage my plugin container.

Sorry, but this is mere trying to match recent events to beliefs in the Bible. You can tell that you are probably wrong because there are soooooooo many different interpretations of those prophesies meanwhile you ignore the worst of the failed prophesies. By doing so you make all prophecy worthless. This is not an example of knocking it out of the park.

In this case, I bet you're right.

But, I'd rather lose the argument, than to cast the empirical down before the warthog.

Losing the argument means that your claims are wrong. But I am pretty sure that you already know that they are.

No tweaking required here.

Easy math.

There are multiple verifications.

Nope, if that was the case you would not need to handwave.

It's rare data.

Assembled by events from 1535 to present, hidden in plain sight.

Unless the 1969 Knesset Jews were involved in a practical joke conspiracy involving Suleiman the Magnificent in 1535, we should be good to go.

Shoot me like a rocket into space.

And all the tribes of the earth will mourn as we light up the stratosphere.

Do you want to live forever?

The answer is supposed to be: Yes.

Right, so have many others claimed, many with their own failed versions just as yours is. one.

If you had something you could do more than hand wave.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That what I'm saying too.

We're gonna break the internet.

Look at Polymath.

82 posts from an Atheist trying to prove that God don't exist.

It's been a hoot rapping with you cats.

Where did he ever try to prove that God does not exist? Now it is likely that you proved that your version of God does not exist, but atheists have not such burden of proof. The sad thing is that you will not realize it when you prove that your version of God does not exist. In fact I am betting that you conflate proving that you are wrong with "proving that God does not exist".

 

[Polymath257]

The penalty for sin is death.

Sin is transgression of the law.

The law is whatever God says.

Because only He is Holy, Holy, Holy.

That is the mentality of dictatorships. The dictator gets to decide what is right and wrong, no matter what the actual morality of it is.

And, based on the stories of the Bible, Yahweh is particularly evil.

Adam, "because of you the Earth is cursed. Living the dream.

"To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.​

So it was NOT Adam that cursed the Earth, but God.

AI.

Like that robot girl.

I want a real one.

As do I. But an omnipotent deity should be able to spin that thread easily.

And a billion holy angels are watching it all.

I wonder what it's all about?

Beats me. I don't subscribe to that particular fantasy.

 

[Trailblazer]

All I know and believe is what God said, I know God doesn't lie so that's how I know it's true. God said there are only two kinds of people, His children and the Devils children. He never mentioned any third group

I guess you are referring to what is in the New Testament. Of course anything you believe would be subject to your interpretation of the verses, what you believe they mean. Anyone else could read the same verses and assign a different meaning to them. Also, you base your beliefs upon certain verses but of course there are other verses that say other things that contradict those verses.

If you post verses that you believe say that there are only two kinds of people, His children and the Devils children, I will tell you what I think they mean. If there are no verses that say that I will assume it is just a Christian belief, unsupported by scripture.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Maybe it's just that they disagree with you because they know the facts and reason their way to a different conclusion?

From what I have seen, scientists are *solely* interested in figuring out the truth of whatever they study. They devote long days trying to get the information and understanding how it fits into the puzzle. They are also poorly paid compared to others with an equivalent education and experience.

On the other hand, my experience is that those with religious faith are not inclined to actually look at the evidence and educate themselves about it. Instead, they prefer to adhere to their 'faith' and ignore the truth when it contradicts it. It is they that have the 'agenda', not the scientists.

My understanding of the secular science world is, they hold to theories which have never been proven such as the theory that everything came from nothing in some big bang where all the matter in the universe was contained in something the size of a pea.

They also force every student to accept the wild unproven theory that we evolved from apes, even though apes have always been and there no evidence of any evolution they won't issue a degree to students who don't accept their theories. so secular science relies on their circular arguments which I find disgraceful.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

It seems all you know is what someone *said* that God said. Whether that person was correct, lying, biased, or delusional doesn't seem to be investigated. Whether there even *is* a God to be speaking is unproved and doubtful in the extreme. yet you believe.

Why?

God's word is the most proven fact in human history, even secular historians know that we have a perfectly preserved record of everything God said and commanded while He was with us in the world for 33 years. So everyone is without excuse, we have 100% proof, so we will all be judged according to our obedience to His commands.

 

[Trailblazer]

Page 31. Has the matter been settled yet?

Nobody will ever settle the matter of either God exists or not, even though some believers believe they have settled it. Nobody can prove that God exists, except to themselves, but that will not be a fact. Belief in God always involves faith because God can never be located by using a GPS tracker. However, faith can be reason-based rather than blind faith with no supporting evidence.

God wants our faith and that is the logical reason why there is no absolute proof.

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.

That explains why God does not provide the kind of proof that atheists require, because if God did that then we would not need faith. The irony is that once we have absolute certitude of our beliefs faith is no longer necessary because our faith has become proof.

Anyone who sets criteria for God as to how God should provide evidence of His existence is not earnestly seeking God. I wonder what God thinks about that? An omnipotent God only does what He chooses to do, not what humans want Him to do. That is logic 101 stuff. Those who look at the evidence that God chooses to provide are rewarded.

We do not get to set criteria for the Almighty God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth. That is beyond ludicrous.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

If he knew we would rebel when we created us and didn't want us to, then he was not omnipotent. If he didn't know, then he was not omniscient. If he knew and wanted us to rebel, then he authored evil.

Your right in the sense that He knew we would sin, but He never caused us to sin he merely provided the ability to do so. The greatest news is that He planned to save a reminent before He created the heavens and the earth.
Jesus knew exactly what He had to do to save His people, well before creation so God knew we would sin but He also saved His children before they were even created.

 

[Trailblazer]

God's word is the most proven fact in human history, even secular historians know that we have a perfectly preserved record of everything God said and commanded while He was with us in the world for 33 years. So everyone is without excuse, we have 100% proof, so we will all be judged according to our obedience to His commands.

I am sorry but that is beyond ludicrous. Nothing in the Bible is a proven fact and there is no perfectly preserved record. Also, God was not in the world, ever. Jesus was in the world for 33 years..

 

[Audie]

You wish.

Or hope.

And pray.

It's been fun rapping with you Atheistic folks today.

This arctic blast won't let me out of the crib.

Did you ever wonder?

Why is there so much media, movies and hymns and the like,
for a God that you can't prove does not exist?

Had a dream I was alone
A vast expanse of complete unknown
Sea of glass so clear it shown
Like gold
Then a Voice like thunder clapped
As a dead man, I collapsed
"I am the first, I am the last
Now, rise my son"

Then behold, ten thousand kings
And every creature worshiping
Every eye was on one thing
One Man
He's like a lion, like a lamb
As though slain, He holds the plan
To make war and peace with man
And reign on earth

Holy, Holy, is the One
Who was and is, and is to come
In a robe as red as blood
He comes forth
Ride like lightning in the sky
On a war horse He draws nigh
The same One we crucified
Will return again

Holy, Holy, is the One
Who was and is, and is to come
In a robe as red as blood
He comes forth
Ride like lightning in the sky
On a war horse He draws nigh
The same One we crucified
Will return again

You wish.

Or hope.

And pray.

It's been fun rapping with you Atheistic folks today.

This arctic blast won't let me out of the crib.

Did you ever wonder?

Why is there so much media, movies and hymns and the like,
for a God that you can't prove does not exist?

Had a dream I was alone
A vast expanse of complete unknown
Sea of glass so clear it shown
Like gold
Then a Voice like thunder clapped
As a dead man, I collapsed
"I am the first, I am the last
Now, rise my son"

Then behold, ten thousand kings
And every creature worshiping
Every eye was on one thing
One Man
He's like a lion, like a lamb
As though slain, He holds the plan
To make war and peace with man
And reign on earth

Holy, Holy, is the One
Who was and is, and is to come
In a robe as red as blood
He comes forth
Ride like lightning in the sky
On a war horse He draws nigh
The same One we crucified
Will return again

Holy, Holy, is the One
Who was and is, and is to come
In a robe as red as blood
He comes forth
Ride like lightning in the sky
On a war horse He draws nigh
The same One we crucified
Will return again

I've seen bigger display and better song for Santa claus.

 

[Audie]

Your right in the sense that He knew we would sin, but He never caused us to sin he merely provided the ability to do so. The greatest news is that He planned to save a reminent before He created the heavens and the earth.
Jesus knew exactly what He had to do to save His people, well before creation so God knew we would sin but He also saved His children before they were even created.

So weird. " god" decides what he can't
stand, then makes people who are programmed to do it, so he offers to save people from himself by killing himself to pay himself so he can forgive the debt and save you from himself.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Autonomy from an omniscient, omnipotent creator is impossible. Free will makes no sense at all if somebody effectively decided on our entire nature, nurture, and experience.



But (according to what you've said) we (individuals today) didn't. You said that we are all "totally depraved wicked sinners" before we even consider god.

We are all born bent towards total depravity wickedness at conception, but God doesn't punish us because of our nature. He punishes us for the actual sin we commit during a life of wanted sin and rebellion.

We can't blame God for our sin, it's like blaming a car maker for speeding. what would a cop say if you used the excuse, "well the car maker built the car to go 150mph so I'm just doing 150 MPH because the car is capable of that speed".

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Please, make believe threats do not convince anyone. Would you feel at all threatened if I told you how you were going to be thrown into the hell of skunky beer and strippers with STD's?

All you have is a believe that is beginning to look as a result of a very real fear. That does not make it true. Being afraid of your addiction issues, which are a real threat, does not make Christianity any more likely to be true than other beliefs. If it helped you to get over your addictions that is a good thing, but it looks as if the psychologists that said they would be problem for the rest of your life were right. You have merely changed addictions to one that is not quite as self destructive.

Christians don't just have a blind belief without 100% evidence of what we believe. We have the perfectly preserved Word of our God and He promised us a lot of things if we put our trust in Him.

The only way to prove something is to put it to the test. Christians have all put Him to the test and He has proved to be exactly who He said He is and He has done everything He promised to do in our lives.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

By observing reality. Your very idea that everybody knows that God exists contradicts reality.

This takes the cake, I read you saying "Here I am observing Gods creation while denying His existence" wow, I'm speechless.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You said "This tells me that God deliberately keeps certain people blind because He doesn't want them in heaven."

If he deliberately keeps people blind then it is his fault that they are blind.

Rebellion and sin blind the person, God is under no obligation to save them from their stupidity.

 

[Polymath257]

My understanding of the secular science world is, they hold to theories which have never been proven such as the theory that everything came from nothing in some big bang where all the matter in the universe was contained in something the size of a pea.

This is a popularization of what has been discovered by our investigations, but there is a bit of a misunderstanding.

The universe is expanding. That is known. It was once much hotter and denser *everywhere* to the point that nuclear reactions were happening everywhere.

The idea that it 'came from nothing' is a misunderstanding of what the standard Big Bang model says. In fact, that model says that time itself began at a point about 13.7 billion years ago. There literally was no time prior to that in this model. So, no 'nothing' from which it came.

But, that model does not include aspects of quantum mechanics that we *know* would be relevant. We simply don't know in what way they would affect that conclusion. it is quite possible there was a 'Bounce' and a previous 'universe' from which ours arose by a phase transition. We simply don't know about this.

As for the universe the size of a pea, that is also an extrapolation and not actually considered accurate. We know our model works back to a time when the overall temperature was about a billion degrees, which means the observable universe (not the whole universe, mind you) would have been around 20 light years across. I'm not sure where the 'size of a pea' meme came from, but it is much more of an extrapolation than is warranted.

They also force every student to accept the wild unproven theory that we evolved from apes, even though apes have always been and there no evidence of any evolution they won't issue a degree to students who don't accept their theories. so secular science relies on their circular arguments which I find disgraceful.

Except that you are wrong here. We *are* a species of ape. And we evolved from apes that were different than modern apes (as did the modern apes). This is NOT an 'unproven theory', but a scientific discovery that has been substantiated by mounds of evidence, from fossils, to DNA. Any student who does NOT know this is unworthy of a degree in certain areas of biology (where knowledge of evolution is crucial). it would be like saying a student of physics doesn't know Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism.

That you don't like a theory or that the theory disagrees with your religious views does NOT mean the theory is unproven. Sometimes, the problem is a misunderstanding of what the science actually says. Other times it really is that the evidence disagrees with your views.

 

[Polymath257]

God's word is the most proven fact in human history, even secular historians know that we have a perfectly preserved record of everything God said and commanded while He was with us in the world for 33 years. So everyone is without excuse, we have 100% proof, so we will all be judged according to our obedience to His commands.

Um, no. Even *religious* historians know that the stories we have of Jesus had substantial aspects of legend and mythology by the time the gospels were written.

There are those who question whether Jesus as described in the Bible even existed. I am not one of those. There were several different itinerant preachers at that time with essentially the same message as Jesus and who have miracles attributed to them. Jesus is one of many.

My view is that he was like the rest of these preachers: he preached and said some things that people liked. But his views on the Roman occupancy of Israel were such that the Romans couldn't allow him to continue. In particular, Jesus' association with the Zealots was rather damning in the Roman mind.

After his death, his legend grew (partly because of the influence of his brother, James) and once Paul got into the picture, the whole message changed (from being directed to Jews to being directed to everyone else). I suspect that if Jesus was brought to the present he wouldn't recognize his teachings in the New Testament at all.

 

[Polymath257]

Your right in the sense that He knew we would sin, but He never caused us to sin he merely provided the ability to do so. The greatest news is that He planned to save a reminent before He created the heavens and the earth.

And to condemn the rest. And he knew this ahead of time. That is evil.

Jesus knew exactly what He had to do to save His people, well before creation so God knew we would sin but He also saved His children before they were even created.

It seems strange to me that you see this as reasonable.

 

[Polymath257]

This takes the cake, I read you saying "Here I am observing Gods creation while denying His existence" wow, I'm speechless.

It is *you* that are assuming that some deity made this existence. There is nothing about reality that points to the existence of a deity, let alone the particular one you are promoting.

Your claim is that everyone knows God exists. That is simply false. There are a great many that do not know this to be true. And many that have good reason to think it is false.