ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I see absolutely no reason to take any of the thousands of gods people have dreamed up at all seriously.
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Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?
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We mention from God, not a fabricating legendal idol! (Unicorn, Thor and little green men...)
According to me, the power who created everything in the universe.
It is impossible to prove God to others. This is not a scientifically experience and observing.
Around these parts, that would be me*.
*But only in my own head.
Okay!
So your ignorance of physics, apophenia and need for a comfortable explanation leads you to embrace a comforting fable?
Not magician, but intuition from my reason.
First, we have to establish the existence of this god.Then we can discuss 'messengers', will and prophets.
Intuition from reason? Isn't that an oxymoron?
PruePhillip
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It's interesting. I grew up being told there's no evidence for many of the things in the bible
such as King David and Isaiah; there never was a large population in Israel, Jews are just
people who join a faith and so on. We are being 'filled with knowledge" now. Archaeology
and genetics have give us a deeper understanding.
When people would say, "There's no evidence for King David" they were abusing science,
not invoking it - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Invoking 'hypocrisy' means nothing - most Westerners honor Christianity in the breach, as
they say, but that says nothing about Christianity as we read in the bible.
And you need mosquitoes like you need all animals - they fit together. A bird might think
there's no God because of the cat.
Finally you DO need a God or god. The universe did not create itself when it did not exist.
That would just be magic.
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
The physics in this universe was created so humans physical eyes can see it, but in my belief there is an "unseen" world that human physical eyes do not see or understand. Some call it heaven, other realms and so on.
God created this physical world for humans.
I dont ask others to believe what i believe, it is my personally understanding of spiritual teachings, and yes my focus is not on the physical but spiritual within my own being.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Why do you think the only alternative to the universe creating itself when it did not exist is some (magic) god?
A power? Not a personage?
Powers like gravity, strong and weak nuclear forces, or electromagnetism? These are the powers that created the universe. They are impersonal and have no will or desires. They're not judgemental. They are not gods.
Then why believe it?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Sorry if i answer your question you someone else.
It's a personal relationship between the believers and God
That would just be physics.
Why do you say the universe did not create itself? Why would there be a need for some personage magically manipulating things?
What is God's mechanism? Who created God?
What does that mean?
We can’t prove God to you, but according to you, this universe has been created by matter?
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Asking the question 'Who created God?' is nonsensical because we humans cannot
imagine anything outside of time and space, let alone God. People often feel that's a
clever question.
EITHER the universe created itself when it didn't exist (ie no physics, no mathematics,
no space etc..) or it was created by an external agency.
I believe in imaginary gods ─ the world and history have hundreds of thousands of examples. From that I'm inclined to think that something in our evolution favors the god idea, whether as an artifact of some other instinct, or, since we're a fine example of gregarious primate species, as part of tribal identity.
As for believing in real gods, no one will tell me what a real god is, such that I can objectively determine whether my keyboard is God (or a god) or not; so I don't know what I'm suppose to believe, or not-believe, in. (Contrast the unicorn ─ I think it's imaginary, but I can check and find my keyboard's not a unicorn, and if we found a real one, we could tell it was a unicorn.)