Are Buddhist and Hindu Scriptures Inaccurate?

[loverofhumanity]

But the Maitreyas return takes place when human lifespans increase to half a millennium and reduce, etc etc. Have you read the scripture?

I am aware of the Five Disappearances which is attributed to Buddha totalling about 2,500 years after His passing, when Maitreya is to have appeared. Initially He was asked how long His Dispensation would last and He replied 5,000 years but because women entered the samgha, that time would be halved. (2,500)



Thereupon, the dispensation of The Supreme Buddha being now five thousand years old, the relics will begin to fail of honor and worship, and will go wherever they can receive honor and worship. But as time goes on they will not receive honor and worship in any place. Then, when the dispensation has disappeared,

After my decease, first will occur the five disappearances. And what are the five disappearances ? The disappearance of the attainments, the disappearance of the method, the disappearance of learning, the disappearance of the symbols, the disappearance of the relics. These are the five disappearances that are to occur.


If, Ananda, women had not retired from household life to the houseless one, under the Doctrine and Discipline announced by The Tathagata, religion, Ananda, would long endure ; a thousand years would the Good Doctrine abide. But since, Ananda, women have now retired from household life to the houseless one, under the Doctrine and Discipline announced by The Tathagata, not long, Ananda, will religion endure ; but five hundred years, Ananda, will the Good Doctrine abide.

Henry Clarke Warren. (2005). Buddhism in translations. Cosimo Classics, Cop.

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(So the five disappearances of 1,000 years each, now, because women entered the samgha, has been reduced to 500 years each period.)

 

[SalixIncendium]

I know my parents and I need them.

And there is nothing wrong with that.



There is a story in the Gospel of Ramakrishna.

I'm paraphrasing here, but Sri Ramakrishna's personal god was Kali. He worshipped her, loved her, spoke with her, and depended upon her. One day, he realized, with the aid of Totapuri, that his dvaita relationship with Kali was an obstacle to his spiritual development and goal of reaching Samadhi. One day, during meditation, he took a sword and cut Kali into two pieces. Upon doing so, he immediately went into Samadhi.

He never rejected his love for Kali, but he was no longer dependent upon her.

 

[loverofhumanity]

But in no Hindu scripture do they specify it is in the 1800s in Iran to a Muslim family. No Hindu, of over a billion Hindus, says that. Therefore, since you're a Baha'i, you are saying they got it wrong. I see no other alternative.

The Gita states that Krishna returns from age to age to renew religion but gives no date. However, to me to me it is clear that Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah were Krishna returned but with a different name and teachings for each age and people.

It’s like we call the days of the week by different names but in reality there’s only one sun that keeps rising and setting. But many get attached to the names instead of the sun so disagree when the same sun appears but with a different name.

 

[Skywalker]

And there is nothing wrong with that.



There is a story in the Gospel of Ramakrishna.

I'm paraphrasing here, but Sri Ramakrishna's personal god was Kali. He worshipped her, loved her, spoke with her, and depended upon her. One day, he realized, with the aid of Totapuri, that his dvaita relationship with Kali was an obstacle to his spiritual development and goal of reaching Samadhi. One day, during meditation, he took a sword and cut Kali into two pieces. Upon doing so, he immediately went into Samadhi.

He never rejected his love for Kali, but he was no longer dependent upon her.

In the garden Adam made a decision that has reverberated down thru human history. God had created an awesome universe, totally beyond human understanding. It is impossible to understand anything about God apart from His revelation. He would appear daily in the perfect garden, teaching,instructing, providing and encouraging Adam. If Adam would choose to heed God’s warning, not to eat of the tree of the garden of good and evil, Adam would have had a life of peace, contentment, excitement, joy and yet to be revealed blessings. With all of this potential facing him, he instead made a decision to depart from a life of obedience. He chose increased good and evil thinking over a singular focus on the God of creation.

 

[firedragon]

I am aware of the Five Disappearances which is attributed to Buddha totalling about 2,500 years after His passing, when Maitreya is to have appeared. Initially He was asked how long His Dispensation would last and He replied 5,000 years but because women entered the samgha, that time would be halved. (2,500)

Have you read the eschatology in the Tipitaka?

 

[SalixIncendium]

In the garden Adam made a decision that has reverberated down thru human history. God had created an awesome universe, totally beyond human understanding. It is impossible to understand anything about God apart from His revelation. He would appear daily in the perfect garden, teaching,instructing, providing and encouraging Adam. If Adam would choose to heed God’s warning, not to eat of the tree of the garden of good and evil, Adam would have had a life of peace, contentment, excitement, joy and yet to be revealed blessings. With all of this potential facing him, he instead made a decision to depart from a life of obedience. He chose increased good and evil thinking over a singular focus on the God of creation.

What does this have to do with the topic or what we were discussing here?

 

[Skywalker]

What does this have to do with the topic or what we were discussing here?

I am talking about how Adam believed in a personal God but didn't follow a personal God. What you said reminded me of Adam.

 

[Skywalker]

What does this have to do with the topic or what we were discussing here?

It relates to the topic of the book of Romans saying that people suppress the truth to follow their own desires. Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It relates to the topic of the book of Romans saying that people suppress the truth to follow their own desires. Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.

So it's your contention that if one doesn't follow a personal God that one is wicked?

 

[Vinayaka]

The Gita states that Krishna returns from age to age to renew religion but gives no date. However, to me to me it is clear that Buddha, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah were Krishna returned but with a different name and teachings for each age and people.

It’s like we call the days of the week by different names but in reality there’s only one sun that keeps rising and setting. But many get attached to the names instead of the sun so disagree when the same sun appears but with a different name.

Straight up question ... try not to avoid it again. Yes or no? Did the Hindus get it wrong?

 

[Skywalker]

So it's your contention that if one doesn't follow a personal God that one is wicked?

Everyone is wicked. The Bible describes our heart as desperately wicked.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Everyone is wicked. The Bible describes our heart as desperately wicked.

I disagree that everyone is wicked, but you are welcome to your opinion.

Also, this thread is not a Bible discussion.

 

[Skywalker]

I disagree that everyone is wicked, but you are welcome to your opinion.

Also, this thread is not a Bible discussion.

I understand, but I mentioned it to answer to your question.

 

[Secret Chief]

In Buddhism, the term anattā (Pali) or anātman (Sanskrit) refers to the doctrine of "non-self" — that there is no unchanging, permanent self, soul, or essence in phenomena.​

Anattā - Wikipedia

In my understanding, non-self is the being without ego. No self, to me, indicates no being.

Again, I'm not a Buddhist, so my knowledge of this is limited. As I said, if a Buddhist finds my statements to be incorrect, I'm more than willing to be corrected.

Who am I (ha ha) not to agree with Wiki!
Anatta (not-self) is, I think, a means to an end. The Big End!
The Buddha was asked if there is a self.
He remained silent.
The Buddha was asked if there is no self.
He remained silent.
This is the kind of unhelpful non response that winds me up!
He didn't think it was of use on the path to liberation to take a view, since views are the cause of dukkha. He said he could not see a view of self that would not lead to dukkha. But holding the view that there is no self also maintains dukkha. Only the putting down of such views can reduce suffering. Denial of a self is an indirect means of "creating" a self, because the view is held by a self, an "I."

 

[Skywalker]

I disagree that everyone is wicked, but you are welcome to your opinion.

Also, this thread is not a Bible discussion.

Why do you think everyone isn't wicked? We are all sinners at our best. We lie, we gossip, we aren't always polite, we have idols in our life, and even stealing a pencil makes a person a thief.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Why do you think everyone isn't wicked? We are all sinners at our best. We lie, we gossip, we aren't always polite, we have idols in our life, and even stealing a pencil makes a person a thief.

What evidence do you have that I lie, gossip, am impolite, have idols, and am a thief? You know nothing about me.

 

[Skywalker]

What evidence do you have that I lie, gossip, am impolite, have idols, and am a thief? You know nothing about me.

Not you. Some people dont gossip and are very polite and dont steal. Im not accusing you of anything. I believe that nobody is perfect. We say little white lies like Im busy now, we steal time by doing free time things at work, and we dont put God first. Im not saying anyone does these things, but Im making an example to show that nobody is sinless.

 

[firedragon]

And there is nothing wrong with that.



There is a story in the Gospel of Ramakrishna.

I'm paraphrasing here, but Sri Ramakrishna's personal god was Kali. He worshipped her, loved her, spoke with her, and depended upon her. One day, he realized, with the aid of Totapuri, that his dvaita relationship with Kali was an obstacle to his spiritual development and goal of reaching Samadhi. One day, during meditation, he took a sword and cut Kali into two pieces. Upon doing so, he immediately went into Samadhi.

He never rejected his love for Kali, but he was no longer dependent upon her.

Very interesting. Hinduism as a whole is so vast. I have never read this.

Anyway, you know the Buddhist teaching of Kali? Kali was the wife of some guy who kills the second wifes baby out of jealousy and this rivalry goes on for many lifetimes. In the last lifetime of Kali she was born as the Goddess and the other woman who is running from her to save the baby ends up in a devala type of place with the Buddha. Kali comes there, and the Buddha does his maithree thing and she succumbs to his empathy.

Fascinating.

 

[firedragon]

Who am I (ha ha) not to agree with Wiki!
Anatta (not-self) is, I think, a means to an end. The Big End!
The Buddha was asked if there is a self.
He remained silent.
The Buddha was asked if there is no self.
He remained silent.
This is the kind of unhelpful non response that winds me up!
He didn't think it was of use on the path to liberation to take a view, since views are the cause of dukkha. He said he could not see a view of self that would not lead to dukkha. But holding the view that there is no self also maintains dukkha. Only the putting down of such views can reduce suffering. Denial of a self is an indirect means of "creating" a self, because the view is held by a self, an "I."

The Vacchagotta episode in the Sutta Pitaka does not say this. It is a discussion of sectarianism where the Buddha does not take a position between dvaitha and advaitha.

But I am interested to know which of his scripture you are speaking of.

 

[Skywalker]

What evidence do you have that I lie, gossip, am impolite, have idols, and am a thief? You know nothing about me.

Im not talking about you im talking about human nature in general.