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[nPeace]

So explain to me clearly the difference between "good" and "right" here.

And between "evil" and "wrong".


I note with interest that you don't think it's good for humans to be able to distinguish good from evil.

I'll take that into account when reading your posts.

If your behavior will always be like that, I have nothing further to say to you.
It would not matter what I say, if you are going to make up stories about things I did not say, and claim I said them.
You can therefore retract the lie, or say goodbye and write whatever you wish.

 

[blü 2]

If your behavior will always be like that, I have nothing further to say to you.

The technical name for that is "flouncing out".

Should you catch your breath and be ready to deal with the issues, let me know.

All the best!

 

[nPeace]

Those verses do not say that man is perfect, they are just Jesus enjoining is to strive to be more like God, since we are made in God's image.

Strive to be perfect, is what the verses say?

Jesus was a perfect man, and that is what Son of man symbolizes:

“In the previously quoted passage Baháu'lláh appears to specifically affirm the title 'Son of Man (or 'Son of Humanity, as some modern Christian theologians prefer to translate it) as referring to Jesus. Baháu'lláh does not say what the term means, and Christian tradition has been fairly vague about the terms meaning. It ultimately comes from the Book of Daniel, where it refers to the Messiah, and is frequently used in the Gospels as a title of Jesus. Presumably the title is symbolic of the perfect humanity that Jesus represented.”

Jesus Christ in the Bahá'í Writings​

God does not expect anyone to be perfect because that is impossible. No human being can ever be perfect.

Jesus lied?

A Manifestation of God like Jesus is a perfect man because He is sinless.

That’s right, Christians are divided from Baha’is by our differing beliefs.

Baha’is vary in their views of the Bible and so do Christians so that is not what divides us. What divides us is that we believe that Christ has returned in the person of Baha’u’llah and that he is the Messiah, whereas Christians believe that Jesus the same man is going to return and be the Messiah.

All this is just semantics. What does “the Word of God” mean? I believe it means that men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible but that is still not the same as if God had written it. I mean Christians believe that are all inspired by the Holy Spirit so why would those men who wrote the Bible be any different? In what way were they different? How can we even know that they were inspired by the Holy Spirit? At the end of the day, this is just a belief people hold. Moreover, except for Paul, we do not even know who the writers were.

No Christian I know believe they are inspired. I don't know what you are talking about.

At one end of the spectrum there are Christians who assume the uncritical evangelical or fundamentalist-Christian view that the Bible is wholly and indisputably the word of God, but at the other end are Christians attracted to the liberal, scholarly conclusion that the Bible is not necessarily the word of God. The point is that people differ in their views of the Bible, whether they are Baha’is or Christians..

Ah. The Logical Fallacy of Inference from a Label.

The Biblical evidence that points to Baha'u'llah as a Manifestation of God is the fulfillment of the prophecies.

That was not my point. My point was that there could be many junky cars and one good car.

That makes it worst.

No, it is correct logic. If you go into a town and all you see are children that does not mean there are no adults in that town. Likewise, if you see 100 prophets and all are false, that does not mean that there is no true prophet somewhere.

You are still with that faulty logic?
Here is what you basically did...
You created an illogical "story" out of nowhere - never was said or implied.
Then you declare it illogical based on you logic.
Isn't that called ego tripping?

It was a waste because if people don't think logically they don't think logically. However, no problem because I did not have to type anything since I have it all saved in a Word document since I normally post it to atheists and have been doing so for years.
It did not work on them either, because they just don't understand simple logic.

Maybe you should try reading them in front of the mirror ... aloud... and make sure to look straight.

 

[nPeace]

The technical name for that is "flouncing out".

Should you catch your breath and be ready to deal with the issues, let me know.

All the best!

Sorry. Dealing with those issues is your responsibility. Not mine. When you lie, and think it's okay, it immoral, not praiseworthy. Only the individual themselves can sort that out.

 

[blü 2]

Sorry. Dealing with those issues is your responsibility. Not mine. When you lie, and think it's okay, it immoral, not praiseworthy. Only the individual themselves can sort that out.

I told no lie. I drew a perfectly valid inference from the nature of your response.

If you wish to state your actual position on the question, I'll gladly listen, albeit wondering why you didn't do it upfront.

And then the question of the difference between "good" and "right" on the one hand, and "evil" and "wrong" on the other hand, in the context of the Garden story.

 

[Trailblazer]

Strive to be perfect, is what the verses say?

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect."

Matthew 19:21 Jesus told him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me."

Man is perfect, is that what the verses say?

No, Jesus says “be perfect” AND "if you want to be perfect."
That does not imply that anyone IS or CAN BE perfect.

Trailblazer said:
God does not expect anyone to be perfect because that is impossible. No human being can ever be perfect.

Jesus lied?

No, Jesus did not lie because Jesus saying “be perfect” is not the same as Jesus saying “you are perfect.” or “you can be perfect.”

No Christian I know believe they are inspired. I don't know what you are talking about.

Then what do Christians believe? If the Bible was not inspired by God how can it be the Word of God?

Ah. The Logical Fallacy of Inference from a Label.

Logical Fallacy of Inference from a Label

The Logical Fallacy of Inference from a Label occurs when it is assumed that labels attached to people/things/concepts/organizations are accurate in defining them. Labels are not always accurate.

Logical Fallacy of Inference from a Label

I did not commit that fallacy since I did not assume the label was accurate in defining anyone. I was only saying there are different kinds of Christian views.

Trailblazer said:
No, it is correct logic. If you go into a town and all you see are children that does not mean there are no adults in that town. Likewise, if you see 100 prophets and all are false, that does not mean that there is no true prophet somewhere.

You are still with that faulty logic?
Here is what you basically did...
You created an illogical "story" out of nowhere - never was said or implied.
Then you declare it illogical based on you logic.

Isn't that called ego tripping?

No, it was just an example of the fallacy from hasty generalization.

Maybe you should try reading them in front of the mirror ... aloud... and make sure to look straight.

And maybe you should look in the mirror, at yourself, rather than looking at me.

26: O SON OF BEING! How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me.The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 10

66: O EMIGRANTS! The tongue I have designed for the mention of Me, defile it not with detraction. If the fire of self overcome you, remember your own faults and not the faults of My creatures, inasmuch as every one of you knoweth his own self better than he knoweth others.The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 45

 

[nPeace]

I told no lie. I drew a perfectly valid inference from the nature of your response.

I made a perfectly valid observation that you did make up a story.
You are calling it an inference, but that's like someone saying "Peter said you smell bad. I made a perfectly valid inference, because when I asked him, he didn't say anything, but had a frown on his face, or his nose twitched."
You do this all the time B. Contrary to what you make think, it's not smart.

If you wish to state your actual position on the question, I'll gladly listen, albeit wondering why you didn't do it upfront.

I told you.
You don't accept responses to you, unless they fit what you want, and then you make up stuff, and make up a story for what was not said.
Are you aware of the term describing that?

You formed the question based on your idea, and hence I don't want to answer a question where you loaded it to fit your idea. Unload it, and ask an unloaded question. That way when I answer, I can call you out if you put words in my mouth, or twist them, and show it up clearly.

And then the question of the difference between "good" and "right" on the one hand, and "evil" and "wrong" on the other hand, in the context of the Garden story.

What is the issue.
You said stick to the story. So I am sticking to it. You are creating your own.
The text says, become like God, in knowing good and bad / evil.
You haven't answered three of my questions -
Human morality says X. Your judgment says Y. How can you tell that X is right or wrong, or Y is right or wrong?
Adam and Eve become what? Were they also blind?

 

[nPeace]

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect."

Matthew 19:21 Jesus told him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me."

Man is perfect, is that what the verses say?

No, Jesus says “be perfect” AND "if you want to be perfect."
That does not imply that anyone IS or CAN BE perfect.

No, Jesus did not lie because Jesus saying “be perfect” is not the same as Jesus saying “you are perfect.” or “you can be perfect.”

So if the man had sold his belongings and followed Christ, what would he be... not perfect?
If Jesus was not saying they can be perfect, what was he saying?

Then what do Christians believe? If the Bible was not inspired by God how can it be the Word of God?

Are you listening?
Did someone say the Bible isn't inspired?

Logical Fallacy of Inference from a Label

The Logical Fallacy of Inference from a Label occurs when it is assumed that labels attached to people/things/concepts/organizations are accurate in defining them. Labels are not always accurate.

Logical Fallacy of Inference from a Label

I did not commit that fallacy since I did not assume the label was accurate in defining anyone. I was only saying there are different kinds of Christian views.

No, it was just an example of the fallacy from hasty generalization.

You view persons as Christian by label. True or false?

And maybe you should look in the mirror, at yourself, rather than looking at me.

26: O SON OF BEING! How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me.The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 10

66: O EMIGRANTS! The tongue I have designed for the mention of Me, defile it not with detraction. If the fire of self overcome you, remember your own faults and not the faults of My creatures, inasmuch as every one of you knoweth his own self better than he knoweth others.The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 45

I'm not the one who insists on faulty logic. It's the person with the notes for Atheist - You.

 

[blü 2]

I made a perfectly valid observation that you did make up a story.

But you continue not to answer questions. This whole thing arises from your longstanding habit of evasion.

Put the question to rest: Is Eve a heroine of mankind for bringing us knowledge of good and evil (albeit in a story)?

(If you don't agree with the 'story' part, just say so and leave it out.)

Or is it your view that humankind would be better off without knowledge of good and evil?

You don't accept responses to you, unless they fit what you want

All I want is your clear answer.

But (as I said) you have the habit of evasion.

You formed the question based on your idea, and hence I don't want to answer a question where you loaded it to fit your idea.

You don't form your questions based on your ideas? I unambiguously do.

And I unambiguously answer your questions ─ a courtesy I appreciate when it's returned.

And somehow or other you forgot to explain your own point to me, the difference between "wrong" and "evil" and between "right" and "good" in the context of Genesis.

What (for the ... what? ... third? fourth? time) is your answer?

 

[nPeace]

But you continue not to answer questions. This whole thing arises from your longstanding habit of evasion.

Put the question to rest: Is Eve a heroine of mankind for bringing us knowledge of good and evil (albeit in a story)?

(If you don't agree with the 'story' part, just say so and leave it out.)

Or is it your view that humankind would be better off without knowledge of good and evil?
All I want is your clear answer.

But (as I said) you have the habit of evasion.
You don't form your questions based on your ideas? I unambiguously do.

And I unambiguously answer your questions ─ a courtesy I appreciate when it's returned.

And somehow or other you forgot to explain your own point to me, the difference between "wrong" and "evil" and between "right" and "good" in the context of Genesis.

What (for the ... what? ... third? fourth? time) is your answer?

I don't evade questions.
The difference between you and I, is that I don't demand you answer my questions post after post after post... and because I don't get the kind of answer I want, make up an answer, and claim it's yours.
Also I don't take kindly to people who are that demanding that I must answer them how they demand I answer them. That gets you nowhere.
There are no sergeants, and drills on RF. World war 1 and 2 ended decades ago.

There is something called fairness. You want answers. I do too. It's not all about you.

Let's look at your unambiguous answers.
Post #95

And you have to admit it's a good thing ─ a seriously brilliant thing ─that Eve did, bringing us humans knowledge of good and evil, even if she only did it in a story.

Not a question.

Post #96

How can one tell right from wrong?
I don't get your answer from that long bit of information.

Post #97

In the usual way ─ by exercising one's judgment against the background of human morality that I gave you.

Doesn't satisfy the question, but it's an answer

Post #96

You are talking about deciding, I am talking about knowing. Those are two different things.
Was your answer, by Eve eating the fruit?
I don't understand. How can eating a fruit tell you right from wrong.

Post #97

Plainly, unambiguously, with great clarity, the Garden story says that until Eve and Adam ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they had no knowledge of good and evil ─ and when they ate the fruit, "the eyes of both were opened" and they thereafter had what they hadn't had before, knowledge of good and evil.

Not a satisfactorily answer, but it's an answer.
Then..

And you forgot to tell me whether or not you think it's a very good thing for humans to know good from evil, and accordingly Eve is a heroine of humanity. Please clear that point up.

A distractions. Nothing you previously asked, but let's find a way to distract from giving a satisfactory answer, which you don't want to give, and try to gain control as the questioner.

Post #116

How can one tell right from wrong? is the question.
Human morality says X. Your judgment says Y. How can you tell that X is right or wrong, or Y is right or wrong?

...and in response to your distraction, intended to manipulate.

I think you are asking this for the first time, so what do you mean, I forgot.
Let's get the account correct first. I don't want us to be talking about two different "stories".

Answered. Unsatisfactory? So were yours.

Post #117
Totally avoids answering my question.
Demands you get an answer for yours.

Do you think it's a good think that humans can distinguish good from evil? And therefor do you think we should celebrate Eve as a great (albeit fictional) heroine of mankind for bringing us that knowledge?

Demanding.

Referring you to post #40

Adam and Eve were not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and bad, because they were not created with the right to decide for themselves what is good and bad.

God set the tree there and set restrictions on it, as a representation of [God's] right to decide for them what is good and bad.
Rather than submit to this, Adam and Eve rebelled against that authority.

What blemish is their fault? They both knew it was wrong to take fruit from the one tree. God told them. They understood. The fault was their own.

The same answer you dismissed, and claimed I was not sticking to the story, is the same answer you gave, to my question on how one would know right from wrong.
Your quote... Post #95

Thus equipped we can decide what's the proper thing to do and not to do ─ right and wrong.

But of course, in the story, Adam and Eve can't do this ─ not anyway till they eat the fruit.

So I can understand why you are elated at Adam and Eve's willful sin - disobedience, because they did exactly what Satan enticed them to do - chose / decided for themselves what was good and bad, and you get to join them in doing the same thing, as Jesus said. John 8:44

Sticking with the story, as I was trying to get you to do, Adam and Eve knew right from wrong, but they were not like God, in knowing / deciding what was good and bad.

The knew it was wrong to take something that was not given to them. They were not mentally retarded. Nor were they two years old.
God told them. All the other trees are yours to eat from, and enjoy looking at, but this one tree is off limits. They understood that.
The woman said... “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” (Genesis 3:2, 3)

She allowed herself to be deceived into thinking that greed would benefit her - that she could have more than she had.
Sad and bad choice.
Too bad Satan has convinced others that they have more than God gives them.
Adam and Eve died - gone forever. Lesson?

Please, could you, in future, refrain from the manipulative tactics. I am inclined to ignore you.

 

[blü 2]

I don't evade questions.
The difference between you and I, is that I don't demand you answer my questions post after post after post

That's because I answer your questions so you don't have to ask.

When you can't answer my questions, you pretend I haven't asked, so I have to ask you again. It's plainly a manipulative game you enjoy, but frankly it does you no credit.

Anyway, the question on the table is one only you can answer, since it arises out of what you wrote. And here it is again ─

What do you say is the difference between "good" and "right" on the one hand, and "evil" and "wrong" on the other, in the context of the Garden story?

 

[Trailblazer]

So if the man had sold his belongings and followed Christ, what would he be... not perfect?
If Jesus was not saying they can be perfect, what was he saying?

I don't think Jesus meant they can be perfect because I do not interpret that verse literally.

 

[nPeace]

I don't think Jesus meant they can be perfect because I do not interpret that verse literally.

It doesn't matter at all Trailblazer, what you think does it. If you want to parade about what you think as logically correct, go right ahead, but when it comes to what the Bible says, your beliefs, ideas, opinions, interpretation, what you think, are moot. They are unimportant.
Sure you can't give the interpretation, in this case, and why?
Bahaulluh doesn't give an interpretation on this one? You wouldn't want to show the bullet hole in your foot, would you.

The same Greek word is used twice in the verse. Both mean the same thing - perfect / complete. One for God. One for man.
Matthew 5:48 Interlinear: ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who is in the heavens is perfect.

Same goes for the other verse - Matthew 19:21 Interlinear: Jesus said to him, 'If thou dost will to be perfect, go away, sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven, and come, follow me.'

Greek Concordance: τέλειός (teleios) -- 3 Occurrences
Greek Concordance: τέλειοι (teleioi) -- 5 Occurrences

 

[Trailblazer]

It doesn't matter at all Trailblazer, what you think does it. If you want to parade about what you think as logically correct, go right ahead, but when it comes to what the Bible says, your beliefs, ideas, opinions, interpretation, what you think, are moot. They are unimportant.

The Bible does not SAY anything because it does not talk. It just sits in a shelf till people read it and interpret it and assign meanings to the words in the pages. You interpret it one way, I interpret it another way, another person interprets it yet another way. That means it can have more than one meaning.

You insist you are right because of your ego, but I don't insist I am right. All I say is what I think the verses mean, my interpretation, and you can take it or leave it, I don't care.

If you want to talk about logic, let's talk about it. The Bible is not verbatim what Jesus said, everyone knows that, because it would be logically impossible for those words that were recorded to be exactly what Jesus said, given they were written by men who did not even know Jesus decades after Jesus walked the earth.

So it really does not matter what the verses say, since they are not a perfect representation of what Jesus said.

By stark contrast, Baha'u'llah wrote His own scriptures, so we know for a fact that they are exactly what He said.

 

[nPeace]

The Bible does not SAY anything because it does not talk. It just sits in a shelf till people read it and interpret it and assign meanings to the words in the pages. You interpret it one way, I interpret it another way, another person interprets it yet another way. That means it can have more than one meaning.

I expected you to say that.

You insist you are right because of your ego, but I don't insist I am right. All I say is what I think the verses mean, my interpretation, and you can take it or leave it, I don't care.

Yeah. let's start throwing punches, shall we. That will make our point.

If you want to talk about logic, let's talk about it. The Bible is not verbatim what Jesus said, everyone knows that, because it would be logically impossible for those words that were recorded to be exactly what Jesus said, given they were written by men who did not even know Jesus decades after Jesus walked the earth.

So it really does not matter what the verses say, since they are not a perfect representation of what Jesus said.

I was looking for this too. Some claim the Greeks changed the texts. You claim they can't be trusted. Yet you are quick to mention them... when they don't contradict you.

By stark contrast, Baha'u'llah wrote His own scriptures, so we know for a fact that they are exactly what He said.

I expected this too.

The fact is, you can't have your cake, and eat it too.
You either believe the Bible, or you don't.
Quoting it when it's convenient, and then claiming we don't know if these things are true, is ridiculous logic.

The Bible uses words that we understand in context.
Perfect / complete / unblemished... They all carry the same thought, and they are used in relation to contextual material.

Jehovah is perfect in the absolute sense.
Man was created perfect / complete, not in the absolute sense, but relative to Jehovah. He considers them perfect.
Man fell from that. he missed the mark of Jehovah's standard for perfection.
Sinful mankind is not perfect, like the first man, or the man Jesus Christ, but Jehovah set a standard that they can reach. He considers them perfect, if they reach that standard.
They will again reach the perfect state God started the first man with.

This is what the scriptures say.
I really wish I could honestly say you were being reasonable. I honestly do.
However, some people don't want to reason because they are on a mission - to claim Bahaullah superior to Christ, and Bahaullah writing superior to the Bible, and they want to pretend that they are logical.
Basically, they reject the Bible because their Atheist friend do, and they don't want to lose their "dignity" to Atheists' ridicule.

Anyhow, Have a good day.

 

[nPeace]

That's because I answer your questions so you don't have to ask.

When you can't answer my questions, you pretend I haven't asked, so I have to ask you again. It's plainly a manipulative game you enjoy, but frankly it does you no credit.

Anyway, the question on the table is one only you can answer, since it arises out of what you wrote. And here it is again ─

What do you say is the difference between "good" and "right" on the one hand, and "evil" and "wrong" on the other, in the context of the Garden story?

Semantics.

Now are you going to answer my question... Human morality says X. Your judgment says Y. How can you tell that X is right or wrong, or Y is right or wrong?

 

[blü 2]

Semantics.

Now are you going to answer my question... Human morality says X. Your judgment says Y. How can you tell that X is right or wrong, or Y is right or wrong?

Still ducking and weaving and not addressing questions, eh?

You brought the semantics into the picture when you pretended to see a difference between the tree's "good and evil" and "right and wrong". Asked to explain, you further pretended you hadn't been asked. Asked again to explain, you wrote screeds no part of which addressed the question.

So it goes.

 

[Trailblazer]

I was looking for this too. Some claim the Greeks changed the texts. You claim they can't be trusted. Yet you are quick to mention them... when they don't contradict you.

I claim that they cannot be the exact words of Jesus because that is logically impossible given how many men were involved in writing the Bible, men who did not know Jesus. How then could they know exactly what Jesus said?
The Baha'i position on this is as follows:

The Bahá'ís believe what is in the Bible to be true in substance. This does not mean that every word recorded in that Book is to be taken literally and treated as the authentic saying of a Prophet....

The Bahá'ís believe that God's Revelation is under His care and protection and that the essence, or essential elements, of what His Manifestations intended to convey has been recorded and preserved in Their Holy Books. However, as the sayings of the ancient Prophets were written down some time later, we cannot categorically state, as we do in the case of the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, that the words and phrases attributed to Them are Their exact words
(9 August 1984 to an individual believer)

The Bible: Extracts on the Old and New Testaments
(From letters written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice)​

The fact is, you can't have your cake, and eat it too.
You either believe the Bible, or you don't.
Quoting it when it's convenient, and then claiming we don't know if these things are true, is ridiculous logic.

I can have my cake and eat it too because when I quote it I have in mind that it is not the exact words of Jesus or the prophets. As the quote above says:

"The Bahá'ís believe what is in the Bible to be true in substance. This does not mean that every word recorded in that Book is to be taken literally and treated as the authentic saying of a Prophet...."

The Bible uses words that we understand in context.
Perfect / complete / unblemished... They all carry the same thought, and they are used in relation to contextual material.

Jehovah is perfect in the absolute sense.
Man was created perfect / complete, not in the absolute sense, but relative to Jehovah. He considers them perfect.
Man fell from that. he missed the mark of Jehovah's standard for perfection.
Sinful mankind is not perfect, like the first man, or the man Jesus Christ, but Jehovah set a standard that they can reach. He considers them perfect, if they reach that standard.
They will again reach the perfect state God started the first man with.

This is what the scriptures say.

No, this is how you interpret the scriptures, what you believe they mean by what is written in the verses.
I could read the same verses and interpret them to mean something different, so who is to say your interpretation is right and mine is wrong?

I really wish I could honestly say you were being reasonable. I honestly do.
However, some people don't want to reason because they are on a mission - to claim Bahaullah superior to Christ, and Bahaullah writing superior to the Bible, and they want to pretend that they are logical.
Basically, they reject the Bible because their Atheist friend do, and they don't want to lose their "dignity" to Atheists' ridicule.

You -- and other Christians -- are the pot calling the kettle black when you say that I am on a mission to claim that Baha'u'llah is superior to Christ, because that is your mission, not mine, since it is Christians who believe and say that Jesus is the only Way to God and the only true Messiah for all of time and eternity. By contrast, Baha'is do not say or believe that Baha'u'llah is the Only Way; we simply believe He is the Mediator that God wants us to go through in this age and that His message and His social teachings and laws are pertinent to this age. Moreover, Baha'is believe there will be more Manifestations of God in the future as the needs of humanity change, and we are the only major religion that has this belief.
The following is what Baha'is believe about Manifestations of God (Prophets/Messengers of God.)

Baha’u’llah warns us never to make any distinction between any of the Messengers of God because they all arise to proclaim the same religion, since there is only one eternal religion of God. Baha’u’llah wrote that the works and acts of all the Messengers of God were all ordained by God, a reflection of His Will and Purpose, meaning that all the religions are equally true and all the Messengers are equal in stature.

"Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this truth. Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 59-60

Surely, the intensity of the Revelation of Jesus and Baha’u’llah and the potency of their light was greater than that of others, but that does not make them better, they just had a more vital mission.

“These attributes of God are not, and have never been, vouchsafed specially unto certain Prophets, and withheld from others. Nay, all the Prophets of God, His well-favored, His holy and chosen Messengers are, without exception, the bearers of His names, and the embodiments of His attributes. They only differ in the intensity of their revelation, and the comparative potency of their light. Even as He hath revealed: “Some of the Apostles We have caused to excel the others.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 48

“Know that the attributes of perfection, the splendor of the divine bounties, and the lights of inspiration are visible and evident in all the Holy Manifestations; but the glorious Word of God, Christ, and the Greatest Name, Bahá’u’lláh, are manifestations and evidences which are beyond imagination, for They possess all the perfections of the former Manifestations; and more than that, They possess some perfections which make the other Manifestations dependent upon Them. So all the Prophets of Israel were centers of inspiration; Christ also was a receiver of inspiration, but what a difference between the inspiration of the Word of God and the revelations of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Elijah!” Some Answered Questions, pp. 149-150

 

[nPeace]

I claim that they cannot be the exact words of Jesus because that is logically impossible given how many men were involved in writing the Bible, men who did not know Jesus. How then could they know exactly what Jesus said?
The Baha'i position on this is as follows:

The Bahá'ís believe what is in the Bible to be true in substance. This does not mean that every word recorded in that Book is to be taken literally and treated as the authentic saying of a Prophet....

The Bahá'ís believe that God's Revelation is under His care and protection and that the essence, or essential elements, of what His Manifestations intended to convey has been recorded and preserved in Their Holy Books. However, as the sayings of the ancient Prophets were written down some time later, we cannot categorically state, as we do in the case of the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, that the words and phrases attributed to Them are Their exact words
(9 August 1984 to an individual believer)

The Bible: Extracts on the Old and New Testaments
(From letters written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice)​

I can have my cake and eat it too because when I quote it I have in mind that it is not the exact words of Jesus or the prophets. As the quote above says:

"The Bahá'ís believe what is in the Bible to be true in substance. This does not mean that every word recorded in that Book is to be taken literally and treated as the authentic saying of a Prophet...."

No, this is how you interpret the scriptures, what you believe they mean by what is written in the verses.
I could read the same verses and interpret them to mean something different, so who is to say your interpretation is right and mine is wrong?

You -- and other Christians -- are the pot calling the kettle black when you say that I am on a mission to claim that Baha'u'llah is superior to Christ, because that is your mission, not mine, since it is Christians who believe and say that Jesus is the only Way to God and the only true Messiah for all of time and eternity. By contrast, Baha'is do not say or believe that Baha'u'llah is the Only Way; we simply believe He is the Mediator that God wants us to go through in this age and that His message and His social teachings and laws are pertinent to this age. Moreover, Baha'is believe there will be more Manifestations of God in the future as the needs of humanity change, and we are the only major religion that has this belief.
The following is what Baha'is believe about Manifestations of God (Prophets/Messengers of God.)

Baha’u’llah warns us never to make any distinction between any of the Messengers of God because they all arise to proclaim the same religion, since there is only one eternal religion of God. Baha’u’llah wrote that the works and acts of all the Messengers of God were all ordained by God, a reflection of His Will and Purpose, meaning that all the religions are equally true and all the Messengers are equal in stature.

"Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this truth. Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 59-60

Surely, the intensity of the Revelation of Jesus and Baha’u’llah and the potency of their light was greater than that of others, but that does not make them better, they just had a more vital mission.

“These attributes of God are not, and have never been, vouchsafed specially unto certain Prophets, and withheld from others. Nay, all the Prophets of God, His well-favored, His holy and chosen Messengers are, without exception, the bearers of His names, and the embodiments of His attributes. They only differ in the intensity of their revelation, and the comparative potency of their light. Even as He hath revealed: “Some of the Apostles We have caused to excel the others.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 48

“Know that the attributes of perfection, the splendor of the divine bounties, and the lights of inspiration are visible and evident in all the Holy Manifestations; but the glorious Word of God, Christ, and the Greatest Name, Bahá’u’lláh, are manifestations and evidences which are beyond imagination, for They possess all the perfections of the former Manifestations; and more than that, They possess some perfections which make the other Manifestations dependent upon Them. So all the Prophets of Israel were centers of inspiration; Christ also was a receiver of inspiration, but what a difference between the inspiration of the Word of God and the revelations of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Elijah!” Some Answered Questions, pp. 149-150

Nice kitty cat.
You should keep that avatar.
Take care.

 

[nPeace]

Still ducking and weaving and not addressing questions, eh?

You brought the semantics into the picture when you pretended to see a difference between the tree's "good and evil" and "right and wrong". Asked to explain, you further pretended you hadn't been asked. Asked again to explain, you wrote screeds no part of which addressed the question.

So it goes.

I pretended to see a difference between the tree's "good and evil" and "right and wrong"? I did? Show me.