firedragon
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I dont agree with Islam because it doesn't make sense that a God would favor certain people.
Which people are favoured?
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I dont agree with Islam because it doesn't make sense that a God would favor certain people.
Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through for a common-law arrangement.I am opening this thread not to discuss the theological validity of the Mutah marriage or the invalidity and the strife of both sides of the fence.
From a social point of view, and simple logic, whats the problem with Mutah? Mutah is a temporary marriage that is supposed to initiate a relationship between two people, but not as sexual exploitation of either one, and to be done under a consensual contract.
In a world where dating and sexual relations are quite normal, whats the problem with this idea?
Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through for a common-law arrangement.
Maybe its over taxes and benefits perhaps?
Hi, I'm back now, what did you read that gave you that impression, while the Bible did not give the impression that males are "favored"?I believe that the koran favors Muslim males.
That I agree with. That is true. Arabs I have encountered are arrogant, Persians about Persia or Iran as well, and I am myself arrogant due to my belief in the superiority of the Qur'an and Islam and my involvement with it.It does not give me a sense of Arab pro. But, I think, to many Arabs and Muslims it has given that sense of arrogance, due to misinterpretation of the Quran.
I believe that the koran favors Muslim males.
Are you sure? I don't know where you are getting your ideas, from the TV or internet or something? The Qur'an does not seem to say stuff like that, I've seen Muslims wearing jeans with their faces shaved and working at banks and technology stores, I don't know where you're getting this 7th century stuff from, probably the TV and those scary guys yelling on TV? The Qur'an doesn't say anything which made me feel like I was to go back to the 7th century or that the 7th century was really so different.Islam is about following the 7th century Arabian culture of Mohammed.
It does not give me a sense of Arab pro. But, I think, to many Arabs and Muslims it has given that sense of arrogance, due to misinterpretation of the Quran.
Yeah. Many people who have never read it, and like you many who have never read the Bible also make this kind of statement.
You are yet to give Quranic verses that say "Jesus is the Antichrist".
Christ is the AntiChrist? That blows my mind! AUmmmmm!
Thats wrong. Arabs maybe arrogant, but the word Arab represents a huge part of the world so you are making a hasty generalisation. Logical fallacy.
But most importantly "YOU THINK" it is because it is a misinterpretation of the Quran. What evidence do you have for that?
Dont quote the Quran on this, you have to quote research on Arab people where it proves that "they are arrogant because they misinterpret the Quran".
Go ahead please.
Some people get up in the morning, maybe yawn, and stretch, and set about on a day full of lying.Yep. that's what he said. But of course, since its a lie, he won't be able to provide a single verse in the Quran.
Christ is antichrist. Oxymoron.
@firedragon
You mean only unmaried males can do Nikāḥ al-mutʿah? I do not think it was that by what I am reading in Wikipedia.
The practice was perfectly OK in the time of Mohammad. It is only Umar who banned it, but that was his personal opinion. Even his personal opinion is not admissible. Umar was not Allah's messenger. His rule should have been for him only. Muslim scholars have stated this point very clearly.
So Nikah al-Mut'ah (pleasure marriage) is allowed for all on the authority of Surah an-Nisa, Malik ibn Anas, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.
Most people don't believe such a practice is really to ever be put into play, most Muslims do not believe in such a thing as legal or ethical, and so most Muslims never practice any such thing. Having sex outside of marriage is more than likely much more common among the population of self-identifying Muslims than is "Mutah" or "Temporary Marriage" or "little more than a religious cover for fornication and adultery", just like the Christians do, except probably with a lot less ease and freedom overall, especially in Muslim countries and cultures where the reactions and consequences are expected to be far harsher than in the West for example, so a lot more self-identifying Christians get intoxicated, have sex with various people before marriage, and go to Church services too. It would be far fetched to say that Islam isn't a religious "upgrade" or "downgrade" towards conservative religion compared to modern Christianity in most cases. In many ways, Christianity seems like just talk, and though Islam is headed in that direction most likely, its still got a lot more which makes it seem like a "real, actual, religion with practices".It's little more than a religious cover for fornication and adultery. A religion that sanctions such blatant hypocrisy is no upgrade to Christianity.
Christians, like Muslims, don't believe that God had a biological son. That would be blasphemous.
@firedragon
You mean only unmaried males can do Nikāḥ al-mutʿah? I do not think it was that by what I am reading in Wikipedia.
The practice was perfectly OK in the time of Mohammad. It is only Umar who banned it, but that was his personal opinion. Even his personal opinion is not admissible. Umar was not Allah's messenger. His rule should have been for him only. Muslim scholars have stated this point very clearly.
So Nikah al-Mut'ah (pleasure marriage) is allowed for all on the authority of Surah an-Nisa, Malik ibn Anas, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.
You wont do that. After 20 years, you would want to divorce them. See what Jeff Bezos and Rupert Murdoch did. As for obligations, those can always be negotiated in a Nikah-al-Mut'ah, or you want the marriage totally for free? Then keep your sex-slave (will hardly merit to be called a wife) hidden in a basement.I'd like to just point at a woman and make her my sex slave for all eternity, who I also have no obligation to or duty towards. Now that's a Pleasure Marriage!
I have already mentioned that I have no problem with Muslim marriage, even four or fourteen marriages, Nikah-al-Mut'ah or Nikah-Halala. Why should I have any? It i not my religion, it is not my culture. They can do whatever they want within the limitations of Indian Constitution, which was not formed without the participation of Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhist, Jains, Zoroastrians and Jews. People from all religions were members of our Constituent Assembly (Constituent Assembly of India - Wikipedia).See mate, you dont seem to understand the thread. If you want to discuss the technicalities of the Mutah marriage in detail in its intricacies and text etc, you can open a new thread. No problem. You can of course bring the Wikipedia sources. Alles Gut.