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Yay, Biden!!! ... Well, wait a minute ...

PureX

Veteran Member
That's the issue. Quality candidates. We have none.
Right now the rich get select a candidate of their own to run for positions they want to control, and they pay for their campaigns with the expectation that when they win, the elected one will act on their behalf, and for their benefit. Which they inevitably do.

The rest of us do not pick and support anyone to oppose these wealthy plutocratic candidates, and so they very often do win, and then they do as they were expected: they serve the wishes of the wealthy group that picked and supported them. And this is how it is at nearly every level of government.

So we have two problems. We have candidates that were chosen for their corrupt nature, and their campaigns are very well funded by the wealthy elites that chose them, and to whom they are then beholding. While on the other side, no one is being picked for their honesty, or for any reason. And if someone chooses to run, for whatever reason, their campaign will not likely be well funded, or even adequately funded, and they will lose.

So how do we get people who are willing to put the best interest of the people first, and how do we get them adequately funded so they can run a viable campaign?

Perhaps it's time to stop the paid-campaigning all together, and set up designated media and in-person access events that are available to public and to all the candidates.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
False equivalence. Show proof of democratic oligarchy.
I do see billions in tax dollars going to republican oligarchs associated with Big Oil, Big Farm, Big Pharma, MIC, etc.
Obama got elected promising to reform health care and with a super-majority of democrats in both the House and the Senate. That means that the republicans couldn't stop these reforms even if they tried.

So one of the first things Obama did after taking the oath of office was to set about fulfilling that promise, and reforming health care. He wanted real reform, too, and urged the Congress to come up with a national single payer plan like most of the other first-world nation already have. And there were and are many very good working models from which to take ideas. But sadly, the democratic super-majority in the House suddenly and inexplicably fell into a confused stupor, and just couldn't seem to come with any meaningful reforms except for a 25 year old republican plan forcing everyone to buy health insurance, and a clause forbidding them to drop coverage for preexisting illnesses (which Obama had to fight them for). Seems the insurance, medical, and pharma lobbyists had been jangling the phones and pounding on doors and making quite the fuss over any proposed changes to their profit margins, and strangely enough ALL THOSE DEMOCRATS suddenly lost the ability to come up with ANY PLAN AT ALL except for that 25 year old republican plan to make everyone buy health insurance. Which the republicans immediately dubbed "Obamacare" and screamed to high heaven that it was a violation of every human right ever spoken, the Geneva Convention, and the 11th Commandment (even though it was their proposal, originally). And so all Obama managed to reform was the preexisting condition escape clause, and expanding Medicaid a little more for the poor.And to get that he had to fight his own democratic super-majority tooth and nail

Not long before this happened, an outrageous new law was proposed by the republicans in the Congress that U.S. citizens be denied the right to buy their drugs from foreign drug companies at much cheaper prices than the U.S. drug companies sell them for. Basically, the law was intended to force U.S. citizens to be bilked by the U.S. drug companies by creating a government mandated monopoly. And guess who slunk into the House in the middle of the night to vote for this obscene law? Sure, it was the republicans. They sponsored this atrocious bill. But it was all those democrats, too. Nearly every single one of them. And why? Because they're ALL ON THE TAKE. They all got the call from their lobbyists telling them how they're going to vote, or else (or else no more big campaign contributions, no more paid family vacation/junkets, no more paid "motivational speeches", no more cushy do-nothing jobs for their family members, no more high-paying lobbying jobs waiting for them when they leave office...). And they all did as they were told.

That's just a couple out of MANY similar instances where the democrats took the bribes and did the dirty deeds. Just like their republican cohorts.
 
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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Damn, guys. I thought I had a bleak outlook of my politicians. Y’all have basically given up. Don’t blame you, mind.
You need some young blood in your system
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
That's the issue. Quality candidates. We have none.

Trumps narcissistic. No denying that, and Bidens an aging gobbiley goobily blub blub ga ga incoherent rambling billionaire with a fetish for sniffing little girls and hugging Hillary.
Trump was also woefully corrupt, dishonest, dishonorable, and incompetent, and good buddies with Epstein.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Damn, guys. I thought I had a bleak outlook of my politicians. Y’all have basically given up. Don’t blame you, mind.
You need some young blood in your system
Its intentionally rigged now to be only Democrat or Republican.

Trying to get young blood in is a daunting arguably impossible task that may never see success in the foreseeable future as long as this two party monopoly has it's death grip on politics.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I much prefer Canada's electoraL system. We do have very stringent rules about contributions to political parties -- no matter how rich you are. In addition, we have rules about how much candidates and parties can actually spend. Hey, we even have a limit of $5,000 for how much a candidate can contribute to THEIR OWN CAMPAIGN. Is that cool, or what?!?

Best of all, a typical Canadian general election lasts around 5 or 6 weeks, and then it's over!

It's kind of hard to buy a political party up here.

You can check out the rules here: The Electoral System of Canada – Elections Canada
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
It's the primaries that really matter. We have to send EVERY INCUMBENT packing, EVERY TIME, regardless of party, until we get people in there who will ACT and not just talk about ending the horrific corruption of legalized bribery.

Every incumbent out, every time. When they finally realize they don't get to keep their crown unless they clean up their act, they will finally clean up their act. Because NOTHING means more to them than keeping their positions of power. It's their fascination with power that's drives people to go into politics (and why they are almost always the WRONG people for the job).
Have you read "Dark Money" by Jane Mayer? It's really worth the few hours it takes to read it.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Obama got elected promising to reform health care and with a super-majority of democrats in both the House and the Senate. That means that the republicans couldn't stop these reforms even if they tried..
Republicans and corporations were against the ACA for 1 reason, pre-existing conditions. They're thinking about profits, not the well being of the public.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Its intentionally rigged now to be only Democrat or Republican.

Trying to get young blood in is a daunting arguably impossible task that may never see success in the foreseeable future as long as this two party monopoly has it's death grip on politics.
Do you think that there will come a point in time when the people will just go full riot? Like on a massive country wide scale. I know there’s been riots but I mean like as in balls to wall let’s chop off the bourgeois heads off sort of riot.
I feel like there’s an impending sense of frustration right now. Like something is about to give.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Do you think that there will come a point in time when the people will just go full riot? Like on a massive country wide scale. I know there’s been riots but I mean like as in balls to wall let’s chop off the bourgeois heads off sort of riot.
I feel like there’s an impending sense of frustration right now. Like something is about to give.
No. We still are a pacified people for the majority atm. We may see fringe violence as we experience now but one person said it best on another forum, paraphrasing here but the gist the same, "The couch is warm, the television works, the beer is cold, and the Doritos are still tasty and good".

People are less likely to jeopardize their comfort zone no matter what happens. Its when that comfort zone begins to dissappear is where troubles like that begin imo.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Republicans and corporations were against the ACA for 1 reason, pre-existing conditions. They're thinking about profits, not the well being of the public.
Which is THE reason for a single-payer system. Doctors make a decent living, they can pay their staff, but they are not huge corporate entitities with shareholders to satisfy with dividends. Maybe it's not perfect, but trust me, as a recipient of medical care in Canada for 73 years, it works just fine.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I expect a President Biden to do pretty much nothing but keep the seat warm for the next few years until we're stupid enough to elect another republican president, who will then finish the job of destroying democracy and the middle class once and for all. Because that's what the oligarchs that control both parties want, and it's what they will get because we're just too stupid and selfish to band together and fight them.

But I suppose we can thank Joe and Kamala for the temporary stay of execution.

Well, let's hope they can make a difference. I think the working class really needs a break.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I expect a President Biden to do pretty much nothing but keep the seat warm for the next few years until we're stupid enough to elect another republican president, who will then finish the job of destroying democracy and the middle class once and for all. Because that's what the oligarchs that control both parties want, and it's what they will get because we're just too stupid and selfish to band together and fight them.

But I suppose we can thank Joe and Kamala for the temporary stay of execution.
I don't know why you think the Democrats aren't causing the damage, too. They're owned by the same corporations and military industrial complex. Obama was a total lying warmonger, but he just has really good PR so the gullible continue to kiss his ***. If Clinton won in 2016, we'd be at war with Iran right now.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
It's My Birthday!
Do you think that there will come a point in time when the people will just go full riot? Like on a massive country wide scale. I know there’s been riots but I mean like as in balls to wall let’s chop off the bourgeois heads off sort of riot.
I feel like there’s an impending sense of frustration right now. Like something is about to give.
If the US public was able to revolt, you wouldn't have a Second Amendment. If you had the mentality of the French, you'd have had three revolutions since '45.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Republicans and corporations were against the ACA for 1 reason, pre-existing conditions. They're thinking about profits, not the well being of the public.
Democrats pretend they care about 'the people', but when their wealthy benefactors send in the lobbyist 'bagmen', the democrats take the money and vote how they're told. Every time.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Well, let's hope they can make a difference. I think the working class really needs a break.
But the millionaires and billionaires don't have enough money, yet. So there'll be no breaks for anyone else. Not as long as they can continue to buy whatever legislation served their bottomless greed.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I don't know why you think the Democrats aren't causing the damage, too.
I do, you should read more carefully.

The difference is that the democrats still feel the need to at least pretend they care about the common folks. While the republicans don't even feel the need to pretend, anymore. They are the party of greed and selfishness, outright.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Do you think that there will come a point in time when the people will just go full riot? Like on a massive country wide scale. I know there’s been riots but I mean like as in balls to wall let’s chop off the bourgeois heads off sort of riot.
I feel like there’s an impending sense of frustration right now. Like something is about to give.

I suppose anything is possible, but I vaguely recall a good many people talking about revolution back in the 60s. Never happened. There were riots back then, too. Although the difference back then was that the economy was much stronger and more robust. Now, we're on shakier ground, particularly with COVID, shortages, and supply chains being threatened. There's also been a steady decline and deterioration of public services, infrastructure, and our industrial base.

People won't revolt as long as they have some stake in the system (however meager) and something to lose if it crashes. But if the powers that be in this country continue along this irresponsible and reckless course they've taken, then more and more people will reach the point where they have nothing left to lose. That's the point where the bottom falls out.
 
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