Believer or Muslim? Mu'meen or Muslim.

[firedragon]

1. Safer=Travel. Mu+Safer=Traveller. (Example)
2. Iman = Believe. Mu+Iman=Believer.
3. Islam=Submission. Mu+Islam=Submitter.

In the early years after Muhammeds existence his followers called themselves Mu'meens, not Muslims. The word Mumeen is used 4 to 5 times more than the word Muslim while references to the word Muslim is always a reference to an act of submission but not as a name.

Thus, why would you theorise this reference changed from Mumeen to Muslim through time?

 

[Spirit of Light]

1. Safer=Travel. Mu+Safer=Traveller. (Example)
2. Iman = Believe. Mu+Iman=Believer.
3. Islam=Submission. Mu+Islam=Submitter.

In the early years after Muhammeds existence his followers called themselves Mu'meens, not Muslims. The word Mumeen is used 4 to 5 times more than the word Muslim while references to the word Muslim is always a reference to an act of submission but not as a name.

Thus, why would you theorise this reference changed from Mumeen to Muslim through time?

The Muslim

Claims of belief, faith and conviction are not enough, and must be reflected in complete submission to the religion of Allah which is what makes a person a Muslim. A Momin can yield to temptation and become a kafir which is the opposite of Muslim. The prayer is therefore always to die as a Muslim because that is the ultimate goal of a Momin.



(7:126) …Our Lord! pour out on us patience and constancy, and take us in death unto you as Muslims!

(15:2) Again and again will the kafaru wish that they had been Muslim.

(16:89) One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

(16:102) Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

(27:38) He said (Solomon to his own men): "Ye chiefs! which of you can bring me her throne before they come to me as Muslim (in submission)?"

(28:53) And when it is recited to them(the devout Christians), they say: "We believe therein, for it is the Truth from our Lord: indeed we have been Muslims from before this.

(41:33) Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says, "I am of those who are Muslim "?

(43:69) (Being) those who have believed (amanu) in Our Signs and been Muslim.

(46:15) …."O my Lord! Grant me that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou has bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and that I may work righteousness such as Thou mayest approve; and be gracious to me in my issue. Truly have I turned to Thee and truly I am Muslim."

(51:36) But We found not there any just Muslim persons except in one house(house of prophet Lut):

(68:35) Shall We then treat the Muslimeen like the Mujrimin (People of Sin)?



One Who Is Not A Muslim Is Not A True Momin

(24:47) They say, "We believe and have faith (aamanna) in Allah and in the messenger, and we obey (wa atana)": but even after that, some of them turn away: they are not (really) Momineen.

(29:11) And Allah most certainly knows those who believe (aamanu), and as certainly those who are Hypocrites.


A true Momin is also a Muslim. A Momin may or may not be a perfect Muslim, if swayed by temptation, arrogance or selfishness to transgress the limits prescribed by Allah, which is why the verses address the believers and warn them against becoming kafir by their behaviour
Who are the Momineen and the Muslimeen? | Naseer Ahmed, New Age Islam

 

[firedragon]

The Muslim

Claims of belief, faith and conviction are not enough, and must be reflected in complete submission to the religion of Allah which is what makes a person a Muslim. A Momin can yield to temptation and become a kafir which is the opposite of Muslim. The prayer is therefore always to die as a Muslim because that is the ultimate goal of a Momin.



(7:126) …Our Lord! pour out on us patience and constancy, and take us in death unto you as Muslims!

(15:2) Again and again will the kafaru wish that they had been Muslim.

(16:89) One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

(16:102) Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

(27:38) He said (Solomon to his own men): "Ye chiefs! which of you can bring me her throne before they come to me as Muslim (in submission)?"

(28:53) And when it is recited to them(the devout Christians), they say: "We believe therein, for it is the Truth from our Lord: indeed we have been Muslims from before this.

(41:33) Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says, "I am of those who are Muslim "?

(43:69) (Being) those who have believed (amanu) in Our Signs and been Muslim.

(46:15) …."O my Lord! Grant me that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou has bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and that I may work righteousness such as Thou mayest approve; and be gracious to me in my issue. Truly have I turned to Thee and truly I am Muslim."

(51:36) But We found not there any just Muslim persons except in one house(house of prophet Lut):

(68:35) Shall We then treat the Muslimeen like the Mujrimin (People of Sin)?



One Who Is Not A Muslim Is Not A True Momin

(24:47) They say, "We believe and have faith (aamanna) in Allah and in the messenger, and we obey (wa atana)": but even after that, some of them turn away: they are not (really) Momineen.

(29:11) And Allah most certainly knows those who believe (aamanu), and as certainly those who are Hypocrites.


A true Momin is also a Muslim. A Momin may or may not be a perfect Muslim, if swayed by temptation, arrogance or selfishness to transgress the limits prescribed by Allah, which is why the verses address the believers and warn them against becoming kafir by their behaviour
Who are the Momineen and the Muslimeen? | Naseer Ahmed, New Age Islam

Bro brother man. I did not ask for a cut and paste from Newageislam.com on the difference between a Muslim and a Mumeen. You see, I have a specific question in the OP.

The fact is that in the early years of Hijri they were called Mumeens. Never as Muslims. So my question is a historical one, not an religious belief question. Hope you understand.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Bro brother man. I did not ask for a cut and paste from Newageislam.com on the difference between a Muslim and a Mumeen. You see, I have a specific question in the OP.

The fact is that in the early years of Hijri they were called Mumeens. Never as Muslims. So my question is a historical one, not an religious belief question. Hope you understand.

I understand
I have not much to share when it come to historic info my interest are strictly religioues

 

[FearGod]

1. Safer=Travel. Mu+Safer=Traveller. (Example)
2. Iman = Believe. Mu+Iman=Believer.
3. Islam=Submission. Mu+Islam=Submitter.

In the early years after Muhammeds existence his followers called themselves Mu'meens, not Muslims. The word Mumeen is used 4 to 5 times more than the word Muslim while references to the word Muslim is always a reference to an act of submission but not as a name.

Thus, why would you theorise this reference changed from Mumeen to Muslim through time?

Islam is our relation to God, it's submission in peace to the will of God,
In order to submit you have to believe in God and his message, very simple

3:85
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion – never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers

43:68
[To whom Allah will say], "O My servants, no fear will there be concerning you this Day, nor will you grieve,

43:69
[You] who believed in Our verses and were Muslims.

 

[firedragon]

Islam is our relation to God, it's submission in peace to the will of God,
In order to submit you have to believe in God and his message, very simple

3:85
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion – never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers

43:68
[To whom Allah will say], "O My servants, no fear will there be concerning you this Day, nor will you grieve,

43:69
[You] who believed in Our verses and were Muslims.

In the early years after Muhammeds existence his followers called themselves Mu'meens, not Muslims. The word Mumeen is used 4 to 5 times more than the word Muslim while references to the word Muslim is always a reference to an act of submission but not as a name.

Thus, why would you theorise this reference changed from Mumeen to Muslim through time?

 

[firedragon]

I understand
I have not much to share when it come to historic info my interest are strictly religioues

Great. Thanks.

 

[Aupmanyav]

In the early years after Muhammeds existence his followers called themselves Mu'meens, not Muslims.

In the Indian subcontinent, we spell it as Momin. The word is very much in use.

You became restless when you heard the name of the dead,
did not we say that you are a mourner just by way of saying?
(Verse by Momin Khan 'Momin')

Momin Khan 'Momin', Delhi (1800-1850)

 

[FearGod]

In the early years after Muhammeds existence his followers called themselves Mu'meens, not Muslims. The word Mumeen is used 4 to 5 times more than the word Muslim while references to the word Muslim is always a reference to an act of submission but not as a name.

Thus, why would you theorise this reference changed from Mumeen to Muslim through time?

I don't know what they were called, but the quran is clear about that the true religion
which God accept is Islam, so when you believe in God and his messengers then
you have entered Islam and accepted God's religion, I don't know why you're confused !!

 

[firedragon]

In the Indian subcontinent, we spell it as Momin. The word is very much in use.

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You became restless when you heard the name of the dead,
did not we say that you are a mourner just in saying?
(Verse by Momin Khan 'Momin')

Momin Khan 'Momin', Delhi (1800-1850)

I have given the meaning of the word Mu'meen in the OP mate.

 

[firedragon]

I don't know what they were called, but the quran is clear about that the true religion
which God accept is Islam, so when you believe in God and his messengers then
you have entered Islam and accepted God's religion, I don't know why you're confused !!

There is no confusion. The problem is you cant take an objective question and answer it objectively.

If you dont know what they were called, you can simply stop there rather than asking why others are confused when you dont know what it was anyway. Peace.

 

[firedragon]

Muslims are supposed to use their Aqal. But so far not a single Muslim has even tried to. Just because the Question is strange to you, you dont have to respond so defensively. This is what Muslims accuse others of doing. So why are you doing the same?

What is the meaning of Mumeen? I have already given it in the OP. The Quran calls you Mu'meen over and over again. You are a believer. Whats a Muslim? A muslim is one who has submitted seeking peace fee sabilillah. There is no question or confusion in this matter whatsoever. Try to be a Muslim and use your brain, Aqal, your Ijtihad, Quran tells you to Thabayyana, analyse. Dont respond without processing a little and thinking over things. A muslim is told to taqalluna taqalluna so many times. Use your brain, use your intellect, use your reason, use your thinking prowess. Dont be dogmatic.

Peace.

 

[FearGod]

Muslims are supposed to use their Aqal. But so far not a single Muslim has even tried to. Just because the Question is strange to you, you dont have to respond so defensively. This is what Muslims accuse others of doing. So why are you doing the same?

What is the meaning of Mumeen? I have already given it in the OP. The Quran calls you Mu'meen over and over again. You are a believer. Whats a Muslim? A muslim is one who has submitted seeking peace fee sabilillah. There is no question or confusion in this matter whatsoever. Try to be a Muslim and use your brain, Aqal, your Ijtihad, Quran tells you to Thabayyana, analyse. Dont respond without processing a little and thinking over things. A muslim is told to taqalluna taqalluna so many times. Use your brain, use your intellect, use your reason, use your thinking prowess. Dont be dogmatic.

Peace.

The quran mentioned Islam as a religion, is there a verse saying Iman is a religion?

 

[firedragon]

The quran mentioned Islam as a religion, is there a verse saying Iman is a religion?

1. So who said "Islam is not a religion"?
2. And who asked about a discrepancy in the Qur'an?

Do you not understand a simple question?

 

[firedragon]

The quran mentioned Islam as a religion, is there a verse saying Iman is a religion?

You know what? This kind of straw man questions should be addressed. I am gonna go completely off the topic to address your straw man.

You asked about religion. Tell me. Whats the word in the Quran for religion?

 

[FearGod]

You know what? This kind of straw man questions should be addressed. I am gonna go completely off the topic to address your straw man.

You asked about religion. Tell me. Whats the word in the Quran for religion?

3:19
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

 

[firedragon]

3:19
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

I asked "Whats the word in the Quran for religion?".

Not a cut and paste of an English translation. Your answer is like "the word for religion in the Quran is religion".

I ask this because of the way you addressed the OP and your straw man you created. So can you please substantiate your own posts with an answer to the question. Its absolutely simple. If you dont know, say you dont know or just do a quick google search. If you dont wish to engage, dont engage. Any option is fine with me. But dont answer with a non-answer. Because that's not how a Muslim is supposed to be.

Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend. - Quran 41:34

 

[Augustus]

Thus, why would you theorise this reference changed from Mumeen to Muslim through time?

In the most general sense, for the same reason followers of Jesus became Christians. Supersessionist religious movements don't emerge fully formed and separate from their predecessor over time.

From the later part of the 1st C AH you also get greater focus on Muhammad in (proto)Islamic epigraphy and numismatics. Evidence starts to appear for the shahada mentioning Muhammad, whereas older versions mentioned God only.

Seems to have some link to the fitnah and claiming the legacy of Muhammad, as well as rulership of the emerging empire to create a more specific identity.

So at a similar time you get the change to Muslim/Islam, a greater focus on Muhammad, and shortly after you get non-Muslim sources noting the new religion of their conquerers whereas this was not something noted in earlier sources (although they do mention a saracen prophet).

 

[Aupmanyav]

What are you all arguing about? Even a atheist and an unbeli9ever knows that the religion is Islam and those who have faith in it are momins.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

1. Safer=Travel. Mu+Safer=Traveller. (Example)
2. Iman = Believe. Mu+Iman=Believer.
3. Islam=Submission. Mu+Islam=Submitter.

In the early years after Muhammeds existence his followers called themselves Mu'meens, not Muslims. The word Mumeen is used 4 to 5 times more than the word Muslim while references to the word Muslim is always a reference to an act of submission but not as a name.

Thus, why would you theorise this reference changed from Mumeen to Muslim through time?

I have another question though,
I read somewhere, that actually, in early Islam, the followers of Muhammad were called Muhammadans.
I don't think as a name, there was anything wrong with it. Muhammad was a Messenger of God, and those who followed the new Messenger of God, were called Muhammadans. But later it was changed to Muslims.
Just, as followers of Abraham Religion as whole, today is referred as Abrahamic Religions. Or followers of Christ, are Christians, historically speaking.