Islamaphobia - Years later, I accept its a real/true phenomena and an industry

[firedragon]

Which adds up to a lot of muslims. Numbers, from those countries alone, that put them in the league of scientology in terms of following.

I'ld say that's a lot of muslims.

You mean some muslims in some countries. Or maybe you just like to make some noise.

 

[firedragon]

This being one such answer.

Nope. You were talking about people saying this and that. I said what the Quran says.

So your comments are just another general comment. Its nothing.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Whether a fear is irrational or not is a pretty subjective judgment. If Islamist terrorists got hold of a biological agent like anthrax, should we fear its release? Do they seem more rational than the average person?

 

[icehorse]

Invalid.

The history of our debate is there for all to see.

In what way is what I said "invalid" ?

 

[firedragon]

The history of our debate is there for all to see.

In what way is what I said "invalid" ?

Everything you have so far is invalid, because every single point is a general comment and some of them are not even based on analysis but guesswork. You dont even know somethings some of the authors have said which are absolute lies but you went and defended them in general with no knowledge of it.

So absolutely invalid.

Ciao.

 

[firedragon]

Whether a fear is irrational or not is a pretty subjective judgment. If Islamist terrorists got hold of a biological agent like anthrax, should be fear its release? Do they seem more rational than the average person?

Excellent point. Please consult a psychiatrist and clarify that.
Cheers.

 

[icehorse]

Everything you have so far is invalid, because every single point is a general comment and some of them are not even based on analysis but guesswork. You dont even know somethings some of the authors have said which are absolute lies but you went and defended them in general with no knowledge of it.

So absolutely invalid.

Ciao.

The OP is general. That sets the context for the conversation. You want specifics, start with a more specific OP

 

[firedragon]

The OP is general. That sets the context for the conversation. You want specifics, start with a more specific OP

Yeah. But since you spoke, I gave you a very very specific detail after you pretended you knew what you were talking about. About one guy talking about the prophet Muhammeds penis being white. You never justified it yet after defending your so called "reasonable critics".

Please. Make another general comment based on some assumption.

Cheers.

 

[icehorse]

Yeah. But since you spoke, I gave you a very very specific detail after you pretended you knew what you were talking about. About one guy talking about the prophet Muhammeds penis being white. You never justified it yet after defending your so called "reasonable critics".

Please. Make another general comment based on some assumption.

Cheers.

Dude, I think your logic is flawed here. Almost ALL general claims allow for exceptions. An exception typically does not render a general claim false. In other words, in most conversations about general topics, the use of statistics is implicit.

So the basis of your OP was a general claim and - whether you acknowledge it or not - you were relying on statistics.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that you're correct and that one famous critic of Islam, at one point, made a claim about Muhammad's private parts. So what? Really, so what? In a long career, EVERYONE is going to make some percentage of mistakes. EVERYONE. So what we all know is that we measure for RELIABILITY, not perfection.

So if you can demonstrate a pattern of false claims, then you're on to something. But an instance here or there is meaningless.

 

[firedragon]

Dude, I think your logic is flawed here. Almost ALL general claims allow for exceptions. An exception typically does not render a general claim false. In other words, in most conversations about general topics, the use of statistics is implicit.

So the basis of your OP was a general claim and - whether you acknowledge it or not - you were relying on statistics.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that you're correct and that one famous critic of Islam, at one point, made a claim about Muhammad's private parts. So what? Really, so what? In a long career, EVERYONE is going to make some percentage of mistakes. EVERYONE. So what we all know is that we measure for RELIABILITY, not perfection.

So if you can demonstrate a pattern of false claims, then you're on to something. But an instance here or there is meaningless.

read the op.

 

[icehorse]

read the op.

As a courtesy to you, I've read the OP several times. what's your point? You make a lot of general claims and you give a few specific examples. I disagree with your general claims. I'm happy to grant you that your general claims are "occasionally true". I simply disagree that they are "usually true".

 

[firedragon]

As a courtesy to you, I've read the OP several times. what's your point? You make a lot of general claims and you give a few specific examples. I disagree with your general claims. I'm happy to grant you that your general claims are "occasionally true". I simply disagree that they are "usually true".

So could you specifically point out exactly what’s not true with evidence?

 

[icehorse]

So could you specifically point out exactly what’s not true with evidence?

I could provided the proper monetized incentive

But more seriously, in the OP you made some general claims that implied a statistical basis. I disagree in the same general way. If you want me to provide research, then you need to do so as well.

 

[firedragon]

I could provided the proper monetized incentive

But more seriously, in the OP you made some general claims that implied a statistical basis. I disagree in the same general way. If you want me to provide research, then you need to do so as well.

Cheers.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You mean some muslims in some countries. Or maybe you just like to make some noise.

No, I mean it like I said it.

Millions of muslims, is a lot of muslims.

Put them all in 1 place and you'll notice that it's quite a lot of people.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Nope.

Yes.

For example:

jihad | Meaning, Examples, & Use in the Quran

According to that article, it translates to "struggle" for example.
It goes on to explain how the term "jihad" has multiple meanings.

You were talking about people saying this and that. I said what the Quran says.

You said what the quran says according to you. Exactly the point.
Others say what the quran says according to them (or what the quran says according to their specific imam)

So your comments are just another general comment. Its nothing.

You seem to have a habbit of trying to wave away issues when cornered.
I don't understand how you can deny that different muslims interpret this book in different ways and that your way is just one of many.

Yeah, sure, you believe that YOUR way is the TRUE (tm) way. All the others think the same.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Cheers.

So, really, everyone that argues against you has to bring evidence, but you get a free pass?

 

[firedragon]

No, I mean it like I said it.

Millions of muslims, is a lot of muslims.

Put them all in 1 place and you'll notice that it's quite a lot of people.

So you’re finding ways to make some noise.

 

[firedragon]

Yes.

For example:

jihad | Meaning, Examples, & Use in the Quran

According to that article, it translates to "struggle" for example.
It goes on to explain how the term "jihad" has multiple meanings.




You said what the quran says according to you. Exactly the point.
Others say what the quran says according to them (or what the quran says according to their specific imam)





You seem to have a habbit of trying to wave away issues when cornered.
I don't understand how you can deny that different muslims interpret this book in different ways and that your way is just one of many.

Yeah, sure, you believe that YOUR way is the TRUE (tm) way. All the others think the same.

Let’s say parents try to convert their children.

what’s the difference between the struggling, trying, and working to convert them?

you wanna make it struggle, that’s fine. Doesn’t change the meaning.

I think you’re struggling to demonize Islam. So you are doing jihad. Or let’s say you are trying. Both are the same. Depends on what you are “trying” to do.

 

[firedragon]

So, really, everyone that argues against you has to bring evidence, but you get a free pass?

Evidence for what? Can you be specific?