If God existed, would there be any atheists?

[A Vestigial Mote]

Yes, religion shows that even proof does not need to be believed.

Zing!

 

[stvdv]

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

This is a yes or no question, so please answer yes or no.

If you answer yes, please explain why there would still be atheists if God existed.

If you answer no, please explain why there would be no more atheists if God existed.

IF
.....a) God does not hide
.....b) God is willing and able to teach Atheists, what is needed to open up Atheists to believe in God
.....c) Atheists are open to learn about God
THEN
.....There will be gradually less Atheists (until all have transformed)
ELSE
.....There will be always Atheist

 

[Etritonakin]

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

This is a yes or no question, so please answer yes or no.

If you answer yes, please explain why there would still be atheists if God existed.

If you answer no, please explain why there would be no more atheists if God existed.

Thanks, Trailblazer

Yes.

As we are new beings, even if we were "face to face" with God, we would have no reference or experience base from which to determine it was "God" -and exactly what that meant.
That takes learning and experience.

5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 

[QuestioningMind]

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

This is a yes or no question, so please answer yes or no.

If you answer yes, please explain why there would still be atheists if God existed.

If you answer no, please explain why there would be no more atheists if God existed.

Thanks, Trailblazer

Are you saying if there were mountains of verifiable evidence for a god would there still be people who lacked a belief in god? If so, then yes there still would be. After all there's mountains of verifiable evidence for evolution and we still have people who don't believe in the theory. We have mountains of verifiable evidence that the Earth is a sphere, yet there are still people who insist the Earth is a flat disc. Some people base their beliefs on feelings, not facts, so there will be people who will continue to believe whatever they want regardless of the evidence.

 

[Bird123]

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

This is a yes or no question, so please answer yes or no.

If you answer yes, please explain why there would still be atheists if God existed.

If you answer no, please explain why there would be no more atheists if God existed.

Thanks, Trailblazer

God exists and Atheists do exist for a very good reason. They are teaching theists lessons theists need to learn.

Believing has never ever been important to God so atheists are every bit as equal as theists. Atheist view is an important side that needs to be seen. Theists are being taught to Question rather than blindly accept.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Flat earthers and creationists reject all the facts and evidence that overwhelmingly demonstrate that the earth is spherical and that life evolved.

Clearly people are more then capable of rejecting / ignoring / denying overwhelming amounts of independendly verifiable evidence.

Hey there!

As do round Earthers reject all manner of evidence that:
1. Every 6 months, the Earth at the same rotation should be 180 degrees (the opposite time of day or 12 hours apart)
2. People should get motion sickness from the rotation of the Earth (they handwave this by saying that the constant speed or gravity nullifies this, but even a steady rate doesn't hold up even in an amusement park)
3. No blood rush happens despite people in the southern hemisphere being upside down.
4. Convex surfaces cannot hold water.

We have this article.
Flat Earthers mocked after SpaceX launch proves that the world is round

"Proves."

At first, you would think that it was flat earthers trying to claim that the launch was a hoax or that the footage was manipulated to show that the world was round but it was actually people mocking flat earthers for believing something so ridiculous when the evidence was clear to see.

What, you think that all flat Earthers reject space travel? Some do, but it is actually easier to launch a rocket given the Earth as a flat surface.

"Proves." Sorry, that should read "curvature of shuttle path is not proof of a round Earth." It's not proof of anything though, it can only assert that the atmosphere is domed, which is true of both models.

From the link video above, starting at 11:56:

T + 08:32 has a rounded earth with curve from left. But T + 08:40 has a sharp edge from the right.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

This is a yes or no question, so please answer yes or no.

If you answer yes, please explain why there would still be atheists if God existed.

If you answer no, please explain why there would be no more atheists if God existed.

Thanks, Trailblazer

This question presupposes that there is no God.

Both God and atheists exist because God created all things and Man is free to believe as He would.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Faith is belief

Truth is that which accords with fact or reality

So is faith, Ive had it with intolerance towards faith.

 

[Tiberius]

God the stone. Not us.

The Father of God, a human scientist.

Cold radiation in space....no image.

Heat radiation in space....you get an image.

Once a male says, God was an angel, burst, burnt and went to Hell.

The Image, proof it occurred.

An A theist, if God existed would an atheist exist.

You know those are done by people, right?

 

[Trailblazer]

Again

There is no proof of gods but people believe in gods.

Fair enough. I never said that there was any proof of gods, there isn't any.

 

[osgart]

I believe in Mods, they exist!

 

[Trailblazer]

Truth is that which accords with fact or reality

There is a material reality and a spiritual reality.
Proof is not what makes anything real.
Reality exists regardless of our ability to prove it.
The objective proof of the spiritual reality will be self-evident when we enter that reality.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes.

Because if a certain thing actually exists, doesn't necessarily mean that it can be sufficiently demonstrated to justify believing it exists.

That is true, but on the flip side, the thing might have been sufficiently demonstrated to exist, yet some people mighty not consider the demonstration sufficient.

I don't believe extra-terrestrials that visit earth exist, but they could... I don't believe it because the available evidence doesn't justify believing it. Doesn't mean they don't exist.

You don't believe God exists, but He could... You don't believe it because you do not believe that the available evidence justifies believing it. Doesn't mean God doesn't exist.

On the flip side, I think that flat earthers and creationists demonstrate that even if there were overwhelming evidence, there would still be people denying the obvious.

I think that atheists demonstrate that even if there were overwhelming evidence for the existence of God, there would still be people denying the obvious.

 

[Trailblazer]

Flat earthers and creationists reject all the facts and evidence that overwhelmingly demonstrate that the earth is spherical and that life evolved.

Clearly people are more then capable of rejecting / ignoring / denying overwhelming amounts of independently verifiable evidence.

That's true. People can reject even what has been proven to them with verifiable evidence, so even if we had absolute proof that God exists some people might deny that God exists.

That is the way it is now, but in the future it could be very different because people can change.
I believe that in the future everyone will believe in God because that is in Scriptures, but I do not know how that will happen.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then you appear to be unfairly painting all atheists with the same brush when it is not warranted. I most certainly would change my position if presented with evidence that could withstand scrutiny.

All atheists say the same thing about evidence, which is why I paint them with the same brush.
All atheists say they would change their position if presented with evidence that could withstand their scrutiny.
The problem is that there is no evidence that could withstand atheist scrutiny and that is why there are atheists.

I never said he should, I simply presented an example of how if God interacted with this world it would leave verifiable evidence behind.

God could do that if He wanted to, since God is omnipotent, so the fact that we see no such evidence means that God chooses not to provide it.

Trailblazer: What evidence for God is built on logical fallacies?

All the evidence that I have seen. The ontological argument, for example. I've also seen believers present the argument from popularity, the First Cause argument, Pascal's wager. They are all built on logical fallacies. If you think there is some argument that does not depend on such a fallacy, I'd like to see it. But if a fallacy is there, I will certainly point it out.

I agree that what you noted above is not evidence for God's existence.
I believe that the only real evidence for God's existence is the Messengers of God. I know all the atheist objections to this being evidence because I have been discussing this with atheists on forums for six years, so I doubt anything you might say would be new to me. I also have all the counter arguments memorized.

 

[rational experiences]

You know those are done by people, right?

Yes, science people.

And yes, humans have proven that they can force patterns on the ground in crops also, proving that if a human can do it with planks of wood and flattening, then a pressure condition caused it first.

Humans can copy you know.

If a male in science says show me proof that angels exist.....you cannot prove it.

For angels don't "exist", they however manifest, why they are termed a spirit presence, in science spirit means gas conditions.

If a male says prove to me that your God stories are real....and the image on the ground proves it. For the God story said, God OOOOOO all physical mass was previously physical eternal mass where spirits eternal are....and was separated from that mass...fell as an angel and burst/burnt. Sealed shut by water...O God the angel.

Then science converts the stone, the gases inside of the stone and images get transmitted back to the place where the human says, I am a God also as a scientist...for everyday he says he is God as a scientist.

So his brother the scientist says as the right scientist you are NOT God...for the bible already says, no man is God.

Get the message yet scientist, science is the OCCULT.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes.

The question does not seem a very sensible one.

Yes, I know it is a silly question and now I will come clean as to why I posted it. I have been talking about God's existence with a certain atheist on another forum fro bout six years and recently he insisted that if God exists there would be no atheists. The reason he thinks that is because he believes that if God existed, God would prove it to everyone in the world by communicating directly to everyone. So he thinks that the fact that God has not communicated directly to everyone is proof that God does not exist. This is completely absurd because there is no reason to believe that if God existed God would communicate directly to everyone. In fact, we know that if God exists God does not communicate directly to everyone, so that alone is proof that if God existed God would not communicate directly to everyone. This is logic 101. I have explained that to this atheist over and over again, but he does not understand why his premises are completely invalid. He still insists that if God existed God would communicate directly to everyone.

If the existence of God were proved, then there would be few atheists, though there would still probably be some, just as there are flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers etc today.

That is true, because humans are very complex and what they do does not always make sense, so my atheist friend saying that everyone would believe in God if God communicated directly to everyone is really naive as well as illogical.

But if God exists but is not proved to exist, there is no compelling reason for atheists to abandon their view.

Why would God have to be proved to exist in order for atheists to believe that God exists? Why isn't evidence of God's existence sufficient?

 

[rational experiences]

Say the first idea of God as human stated was the stone planet upon which you walked, and knew that the vision of your science assessment said this planet is its own Creator...by stating O the stone body, known to your psyche just as a face of stone released its gases by mountain...and claimed it the law of God the volcano?

And said that if you changed that law, you would be attacked by the molten history itself......as above your head and below your feet...as a self advised science warning about being told in that review that you are not GOD.

What personal warning is, to be a human, to be aware of your surroundings and all the meanings that a human gave to actual natural states?

How is that review not correct when a science biological statement in science of the medical, reason for self harmed said....the Law of a planet is God and mountain and not be proven true, today?

For it was real in his science laws of stating ONE purpose...self and realization human owned, self?

So he changed the mineral face of the God planet, held fused by what he walked on WATER...for water historically sealed the Earth body as it tried to open up and blow up in Sun conversion history...….UFO war in the cosmology.

As another male scientific aware notated cosmology LAW. Historical.

Then realized how wrong he was, for instead of the smooth stone face of the planet existing as God O, the planet....he then gets his human male face etched into the stone for owning the HEAD that thought the form ULA...meaning secondary purpose to change NATURAL FORM...and converted God and also self.

And witnessed it occurring...the ground beneath his feet change its cold radiation fusion and he was sent to Hell....just as the story says.

And you want to do studies again today in occult science theories about God and sion/fusion and want to relive the experience to claim, yes my brother Jesus was correct just because you do not believe in Jesus today?

 

[Trailblazer]

Are you saying if there were mountains of verifiable evidence for a god would there still be people who lacked a belief in god? If so, then yes there still would be. After all there's mountains of verifiable evidence for evolution and we still have people who don't believe in the theory. We have mountains of verifiable evidence that the Earth is a sphere, yet there are still people who insist the Earth is a flat disc. Some people base their beliefs on feelings, not facts, so there will be people who will continue to believe whatever they want regardless of the evidence.

No, that is not what I was asking.
I asked: If God existed, would there be any atheists?

I know it is a silly question, but it was inspired by an atheist who insists that there would be no atheists if God exists because God would see to it that everyone believed in Him. I just explained about this atheist's position in the previous post: #97 Trailblazer

But I agree with you that even if there were mountains of verifiable evidence for God, there would still be people who lacked a belief in God because as you said, some people base their beliefs on feelings, not facts, so there will be people who will continue to believe whatever they want regardless of the evidence.

 

[rational experiences]

No, that is not what I was asking.
I asked: If God existed, would there be any atheists?

I know it is a silly question, but it was inspired by an atheist who insists that there would be no atheists if God exists because God would see to it that everyone believed in Him. I just explained about this atheist's position in the previous post: #97 Trailblazer

But I agree with you that even if there were mountains of verifiable evidence for God, there would still be people who lacked a belief in God because as you said, some people base their beliefs on feelings, not facts, so there will be people who will continue to believe whatever they want regardless of the evidence.

The bible occult science medical biological documentation cannot be factually argued against.

For it is the human condition to own legal and legally applied human reasoning about laws and conditions of laws even against science.

When science owns all the worded relative descriptions about a planet existing, when it does exist, then if it tried to use and quote the reviewed O Earth is an entity, for it is stone, and the stone is the Creator of its heavenly gases/spirits, then it was a lawful scientific explanation of fact.

To give our Planet a Creator theme of its own presence and also of its owned heavenly gases....against what is termed occult practice....to heat it convert it and then destroy the life upon it that does not survive on a stone face heated conversion of its matter/mass.

Why it was taught.

If a human says how come a majority of humans just believe in God without having to argue about the presence God O? Yet the minds who seek to claim to know God scientists claim that God does not exist, as the humans who claim, for all of my known human awareness and facts stated I will change the Nature of God the planet by my formula and machine and confessed to everyone in the public.

So if one human has to prove that another human has lost their mind and natural spiritual awareness, it is why the Christ consciousness was taught, for the CH value came out of the body God O planet and stone and it is party to our conscious understanding as a natural human being that we exist due to CHRIST presence.

If you understand the ANTI concept, then you prove you do not own the conscious living natural aware spirituality that says, never change CHRIST.

Which is self proof that the humans who believe in cosmological sciences against life survival as sciences that first of all produce information that claims a O circle does not exist....when all of their theories are in science based on that circle existing.….is other evidence for a human lawful argument for life survival.

For consciousness is proving to no longer be supported by the CHRIST...homosexual behaviour is one physical biological evidence used in that law court...not genetic, but conscious.

Science is based on conscious precepts of gaining transmitted information and being condition to receipt of those incoming transmissions. Why MK ULTRA can no longer claim that the effect is not real, a shift and change in consciousness for they own all of the scientific evidence to the contrary.

Hence a legal lawful court would prove that science is lying before it has us all destroyed.