Question about worshipping

[Spirit of Light]

Many religions practicing workshop of a God or deity, but my question is.

Do you expect the God or deity to save you, just by your devotion of worshipping the God/deity?
Or do you have to do as asked from the teaching to gain the salvation/ access to paradise?

With do as asked i mean cultivate your morality, ethics and so on.

 

[exchemist]

Many religions practicing workshop of a God or deity, but my question is.

Do you expect the God or deity to save you, just by your devotion of worshipping the God/deity?
Or do you have to do as asked from the teaching to gain the salvation/ access to paradise?

With do as asked i mean cultivate your morality, ethics and so on.

From a Christian perspective this sounds like the old sola fide issue. As you may know, there is at least a formal division of view within Christianity about that. The old Catholic and Orthodox view is that "good works", i.e. moral behaviour are important as well as faith. Luther and many of the Protestants teach that it is only faith that earns salvation. Though in fairness many of them will say that a person with true faith will in any case live a moral life, so the distinction is theoretical rather than practical.

 

[Spirit of Light]

From a Christian perspective this sounds like the old sola fide issue. As you may know, there is at least a formal division of view within Christianity about that. The old Catholic and Orthodox view is that "good works", i.e. moral behaviour are important as well as faith. Luther and many of the Protestants teach that it is only faith that earns salvation. Though in fairness many of them will say that a person with true faith will in any case live a moral life, so the distinction is theoretical rather than practical.

I know you can only speak for your understanding, but do you think that if someone accept God/Jesus and they begin worshipping, they can do as they wish after that, without thinking of if they do wrongdoing. Wrong or right does not count for them since "Jesus saved them"?

 

[exchemist]

I know you can only speak for your understanding, but do you think that if someone accept God/Jesus and they begin worshipping, they can do as they wish after that, without thinking of if they do wrongdoing. Wrong or right does not count for them since "Jesus saved them"?

I'm in the Catholic tradition, so my answer is an emphatic "no".

Perhaps we will see a different answer from someone else.......

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'm in the Catholic tradition, so my answer is an emphatic "no".

Perhaps we will see a different answer from someone else.......

Thank you for answering my questions
I will hope others come with their answer too

 

[Emsy]

Personally, I think "carrying out god's work" so to speak takes a lot of prior, individualized experience that see an individual go through a series of trials that not everyone is so privileged to meet; ultimately: to arrive at a frame of mind where a person comes to a genuine understanding that life is about more than just what we are and what we can comprehend and that there actually are standards for right and wrong regarding one's own conduct (even if it happens to be realized after the fact). I think then, and only then, a person will finally be rendered "good" and seek to do the best by themselves first so that everyone that they encounter benefits from their good works as a natural consequence of this.

 

[danieldemol]

Many religions practicing workshop of a God or deity, but my question is.

Do you expect the God or deity to save you, just by your devotion of worshipping the God/deity?
Or do you have to do as asked from the teaching to gain the salvation/ access to paradise?

With do as asked i mean cultivate your morality, ethics and so on.

I don’t follow a religion, but in my spiritual path I believe it is our own efforts to cultivate the virtues which provide us with our initial degree of salvation at death of the physical body.

 

[Deeje]

I know you can only speak for your understanding, but do you think that if someone accept God/Jesus and they begin worshipping, they can do as they wish after that, without thinking of if they do wrongdoing. Wrong or right does not count for them since "Jesus saved them"?

Are you asking if “once saved, always saved” is a valid stance for Christians? I know that some believe that once they assume that they are saved, they can use it as an excuse to sin....but that is nothing close to what it means to be a Christian. It requires faith and works that back up or demonstrate that faith. It requires a person to repent of former sins and part of that repentance is to refrain from committing that sin again. We are all a work in progress but we are never to stop trying to improve.

Sin, especially if it is wilful and deliberate, cannot be forgiven unless one is repentant. If you keep repeating your sinful behavior, it shows that you are not one bit sorry about it.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Many religions practicing workshop of a God or deity, but my question is.

Do you expect the God or deity to save you, just by your devotion of worshipping the God/deity?
Or do you have to do as asked from the teaching to gain the salvation/ access to paradise?

With do as asked i mean cultivate your morality, ethics and so on.

In Christianity worship is mainly to build a relationship with God, like a child speaking to a parent.

Everything else, asking for guidance and salvation, confessing sins stems from that.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Are you asking if “once saved, always saved” is a valid stance for Christians? I know that some believe that once they assume that they are saved, they can use it as an excuse to sin....but that is nothing close to what it means to be a Christian. It requires faith and works that back up or demonstrate that faith. It requires a person to repent of former sins and part of that repentance is to refrain from committing that sin again. We are all a work in progress but we are never to stop trying to improve.

Sin, especially if it is wilful and deliberate, cannot be forgiven unless one is repentant. If you keep repeating your sinful behavior, it shows that you are not one bit sorry about it.

The way you describe it is very similar to i have understood it too

 

[Kenny]

Many religions practicing workshop of a God or deity, but my question is.

Do you expect the God or deity to save you, just by your devotion of worshipping the God/deity?
Or do you have to do as asked from the teaching to gain the salvation/ access to paradise?

With do as asked i mean cultivate your morality, ethics and so on.

No - it is a response for the love that I have for Him and for the gifts that He so grace-full-ly has given us.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No - it is a response for the love that I have for Him and for the gifts that He so grace-full-ly has given us.

May i ask what kind of gift you means?
What do you self to gain inner wisdom?

 

[Kenny]

May i ask what kind of gift you means?
What do you self to gain inner wisdom?

We view everything that we receive as a gift from God (not earned, not deserving, but given by God out of love).

It starts with the gift of uniting with Him through the gift of forgiveness. After that, healing, peace, provision and the list goes on.

Wisdom comes through meditating on Him and His words and can indeed come in the midst of a worship (communion). In communion there is always an exchange between His Spirit and man's spirit.

Sometimes, you can be just walking and a download can come.

 

[Jainarayan]

Do you expect the God or deity to save you, just by your devotion of worshipping the God/deity?

In my sect of Hinduism that’s really all it takes.

Even those who are considered the most immoral of all sinners can cross over this ocean of material existence by seating themselves in the boat of divine knowledge. Bhagavad Gita 4.36 Here, the “ocean of material existence” is pretty self-explanatory, being life with all its miseries, the joys we experience contribute to suffering and misery via attachment; the “boat of divine knowledge” refers to being dedicated to Sri Krishna, meditating on Him, keeping Him in one’s heart.

Always think of me, be devoted to me, worship me, and offer obeisance to me. Doing so, you will certainly come to me. This is my pledge to you, for you are very dear to me. Bhagavad Gita 18.65 It’s said if you take 1 step towards God, He takes 10 steps towards you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

In my sect of Hinduism that’s really all it takes.

Even those who are considered the most immoral of all sinners can cross over this ocean of material existence by seating themselves in the boat of divine knowledge. Bhagavad Gita 4.36 Here, the “ocean of material existence” is pretty self-explanatory, being life with all its miseries, the joys we experience contribute to suffering and misery via attachment; the “boat of divine knowledge” refers to being dedicated to Sri Krishna, meditating on Him, keeping Him in one’s heart.

Always think of me, be devoted to me, worship me, and offer obeisance to me. Doing so, you will certainly come to me. This is my pledge to you, for you are very dear to me. Bhagavad Gita 18.65 It’s said if you take 1 step towards God, He takes 10 steps towards you.

Maybe a sidestep in question but can ask what Your understanding of why we are here on earth is? what is the purpose, and what are the goal?

 

[Jainarayan]

Maybe a sidestep in question but can ask what Your understanding of why we are here on earth is? what is the purpose, and what are the goal?

The acharyas, saints and rishis have pondered that for millennia. Adi Shankara and Alan Watts said that the nature of Brahman is to create and experience. We see all around us that creation and experience cannot be stopped or constrained. So our presence here is a result of that nature to create and experience.

Is there a purpose and goal to it? I think so. To learn and experience. Not unlike the V’ger entity in Star Trek the Motion Picture. Gather all knowledge, experience everything there is, then return to the source. Returning to the source is liberation from this existence once we have learned all there is to learn, or what we need to learn.

 

[Hawkins]

Many religions practicing workshop of a God or deity, but my question is.

Do you expect the God or deity to save you, just by your devotion of worshipping the God/deity?
Or do you have to do as asked from the teaching to gain the salvation/ access to paradise?

With do as asked i mean cultivate your morality, ethics and so on.

In Christianity earth is corrupted place ever since Adam. It is a place lying outside of God's realm. It is thus not physically and actively maintained by God. It is in contrary under the deep influence of Satan, a much more intelligent and capable being. Humans are more or less futile in front of Satan's influence under his best effort in keeping humans under his captivity. Worshiping God is thus crucial in building a bonding between one and God in order to counter Satan's effort. To put it another way, you will most likely be led away by the influence of Satan if you do not worship God on a regular basis. Only based on that you can be in a position closer to God in order to comprehend what can be referred to as the teachings or dogmas or theology whatsoever. This is one of the many purposes of the existing of God's Church on earth. The Bible describes our world as a place where God's sheep are scattered in a wilderness (while a wilderness is never a peaceful place but full of wild beasts).

 

[Spirit of Light]

In Christianity earth is corrupted place ever since Adam. It is a place lying outside of God's realm. It is thus not physically and actively maintained by God. It is in contrary under the deep influence of Satan, a much more intelligent and capable being. Humans are more or less futile in front of Satan's influence under his best effort in keeping humans under his captivity. Worshiping God is thus crucial in building a bond between one and God in order to counter Satan's effort. To put it another way, you will most likely be led away by the influence of Satan if you do not worship God on a regular basis. Only based on that you can be in a position closer to God in order to comprehend what can be referred to as the teachings or dogmas or theology whatsoever. This is one of many purposes of the existing of God's Church on earth. The Bible describe it as a situation where God's sheep are scattered in a wilderness (while a wilderness is never a peaceful place but full of wild beasts.

Would you say for a Christian it is good to both worship God but also cultivate the mind and body to become more in tune with the teaching? Or does God fix everything for you?

 

[Hawkins]

Would you say for a Christian it is good to both worship God but also cultivate the mind and body to become more in tune with the teaching? Or does God fix everything for you?

We don't use word cultivate. Rather we try our best to strive for holiness as instructed. Holiness actually means the likeness of God and Jesus Christ. It is a process of countering the effort of Satan by relying on God with Faith. We thus may fall at some point, but we stand up again from where we fell to follow God constantly. It's like fighting a tiger with bare hands. You can be defeated at any point. However you can rely on someone more powerful than the tiger to stand tough such that you may fall but you can stand up again.

 

[sayak83]

Many religions practicing workshop of a God or deity, but my question is.

Do you expect the God or deity to save you, just by your devotion of worshipping the God/deity?
Or do you have to do as asked from the teaching to gain the salvation/ access to paradise?

With do as asked i mean cultivate your morality, ethics and so on.

Good to know that in many religions, God holds a workshop for His faithful...
In Hinduism, both ways can lead to salvation. But doing them because you have the motive of gaining salvation won't work. You need to truly fall in love with and be devoted to God, or truly act morally as you have realized its essential rightness. Otherwise it becomes transactional and does not work.
Note that aspiring for, and gaining the knowledge of the nature of God (philosophical/meditative route) will also work.