Atheism vs (ignosticism, theological noncognitivism, igtheism)

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

joe 1776:>>Do you believe that the universe was caused? If so, define the cause for me, please.<<

Why do you think the row of words "X caused the universe" makes any sense, regardless of what you put in there for "X"? I don't know of any reason to believe it is even meaningful at all. That's because I claim that if you are talking without thinking of anything you could be talking about, then you aren't talking about anything at all.

I sure can't think or imagine anything that the row of words "X caused the universe" could be talking about, can you?

I can't so I would not speak or write that row of words, except to put it in quotation marks to quote you or somebody who uttered or wrote it.

People forget that humans made up all words in all languages. No words dropped down from the sky. People made them all up. Think about how we came to learn to use and interpret what the words in our vocabularies mean, particularly the word "cause" and "create". We weren't born knowing any words. We had to learn them all. Think about how we came to learn the word "cause". We learned it by hearing cases of usage of "A caused B" when we knew what A and B meant. We did not learn "cause" from cases of usage "A caused B" when we didn't know anything for A or B to mean. So I can't see how there is any way that "X caused the universe" can make any sense.

If you think it does mean something, what does it mean?

 

[Igtheism]

Heyo>>What, in your mind, is the difference between ignostics, theological noncognitivists, and igtheists? How do they all relate to agnostics<<

I don't know of any difference. Names, words, and labels are all just rows of letters some people made up, so I think we should question all names, words and labels. How do they relate to agnostics? Agnostics utter this: "I don't know whether God exists or not, but I know He either does or doesn't." I say: What, if anything, do you think you're talking about when you write the row of alphabet letters "G-o-d"? Please educate me because I haven't the slightest idea or concept of anything for that capitalized row of 3 alphabet letters to mean."

 

[Igtheism]

I'm new to this forum. So I didn't mean to post the same thing over and over. I clicked "Post Reply" and nothing happened, so I clicked it several times having no idea that it was reposting every time I clicked it. Please excuse the extra postings of the same thing. I'll try not to do that in the future.

 

[Igtheism]

Curious George >>god = an intelligent, conscious, immortal entity<<

"intelligent", "conscious" and "immortal" are adjectives. What noun do they modify? "God"? But that's the row of letters that you claim to be defining. You say "'God' is an entity". Are you thinking of something for "entity" to refer to? "Entity" is just a catch-all word, like "thing", "something", "thingamajig", "doohickey" etc. Just saying "entity", "thing", or "thingamajig" doesn't describe anything to think of. What am I supposed to think of? A finite-sized chunk of matter? I don't know what to think of.

Curious George>>...that has a degree of control over all things in the universe and more control over at least one specific aspect of the universe than any mortal thing.<<

But all I can see that you've done is to put verb and adjectives and verb and adjective phrases along with "God", "thing" or "entity" and to claim that such verbs, adjectives and phrases have some defined noun "God" to modify. When you define "plumber" you don't say "a thing that plumbs", or "an entity that plumbs". You say (or certainly imply) "a HUMAN that plumbs". We know what a HUMAN is, so we know what entity to think of doing the plumbing. To recap: When you say "a HUMAN that plumbs" we know what you're talking about. Then after telling us that you're talking about a HUMAN, you can then go ahead and tell us about the plumbing that the HUMAN does, to distinguish the plumber from other humans.

So tell us what 'entity' you're talking about. Please don't try to go telling "what an entity DOES" and think you're telling "what an entity IS". Doing so does not define an entity if you haven't told us (or implied) what entity, if any, that you're talking about, so we can think of or imagine it. Only when you've done that, can you tell us 'what it does' to distinguish it from other entities.

I must question your implied claim that you are able to think of or to imagine any entity to label "God" that Christians are talking about when they utter the sound "God" or write that row of letters.

Cheers to you too.

 

[Igtheism]

Penguin>>Could you please stop posting multiple copies of your posts? You only need to hit the "post reply" button once.<<

I apologize. I just joined this forum and haven't learned the ropes. I clicked "post reply" and nothing happened, so I clicked again and again. Sorry! You can be sure I'll know in the future about the glitch. Thanks.