The horsemen of Revelation

[URAVIP2ME]

Again, it doesn't matter how much time has passed. The time element is unknown. That there will be time between Israel coming back to the land in unbelief, and when they are placed in a right relationship with God is what is important. That there is at least 7 years is assured as the Tribulation will last 7 years.......................l

I think it would be good to keep in mind that Jesus said ' 'just like the days of Noah....'
There was No 7-year period in Noah's day but the end came hard and swift.
There was No 7-year period when un-faithful Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70. The end came hard and swift.
So, there is No reason to think the end of all badness on Earth will Not come hard and swift.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Unfortunately those bad things have been around for a long time. I believe that God has not made it possible for humans to witness the end of times

I find it is Not the ' end of times ' but the end time of all badness on Earth.
So, what we witness is the international declaring about God's kingdom (thy kingdom come...Daniel 2:44) being done on a grand-global scale as never before.
Couple this with the ' final signal ', so to speak, as found at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
When the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security..." that will prove to be the precursor to witness the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9.
Then, Jesus, as Commander in Chief of angelic armies, will rid the Earth of the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.
Jesus will then prove to be the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
Time will go on forever because as Ecclesiastes 1:4 says the Earth abides forever.
It is the wicked who will Not go on forever - Psalms 37:9-11

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You would never derive that from a natural reading of Ezekiel. That's been my whole point this entire time.



Your belief in a 7 year Tribulation comes from your interpretation of a completely different prophesy, completely different book, different author, different time period, and different language. And the passages in Revelation you derive then from have nothing to do with Israel being a secular democracy for nearly a century before they establish Torah over their society again.



You stated your opinion, you didnt really 'explain.' Nothing in Ezekiel or Daniel about any of that.



But Ezekiel says they won't live in the land till they're cleansed? Again, you're trying to fit history into prophecy, when it should work the other way if the prophecies are accurate.



Essentially, yep. Complicated by Roman rule, though.



I didn't write the Torah. It's not "mine." The Torah was written and implemented in ancient Israel hundreds of years before there was a guy named Jesus. Ezekiel and Daniel knew nothing about him, as he didnt exist yet.



You didnt answer my question that would have helped answer your question here. What were the "statutes and ordinances of the Lord," to a Jew 2,500 years ago?



Yes, and how are Jews brought into a right relationship to God, according to their Scriptures? By following the Torah.



No, I'm sorry, you simply aren't. You're declaring things, and I keep bringing you back to what the texts actually do and don't say.



If you think it's immaterial, you've missed the entire point of my participation in the thread.



The verses, for the kids at home:

"The word of the Lord came to me: Mortal, the house of Israel has become dross to me; all of them, silver, bronze, tin, iron, and lead. In the smelter they have become dross. Therefore thus says the Lord God: Because you have all become dross, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. As one gathers silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into a smelter, to blow the fire upon them in order to melt them; so I will gather you in my anger and in my wrath, and I will put you in and melt you. I will gather you and blow upon you with the fire of my wrath, and you shall be melted within it. As silver is melted in a smelter, so you shall be melted in it; and you shall know that I the Lord have poured out my wrath upon you."

The Bible often uses the metaphor of God's judgment as a "refining fire" which is painful but ultimately purifying. See, for example, Malachi 3 or Zechariah 13.



She's kinda in the land. Half in, half out. And has been there 72 years. When no prophecy says that such a length of time will pass, they all speak of it as one process. Which is why you can't point to anyone 100 years ago who interpreted the prophecies you are to predict what has actually happened.

We as Christians don't just have the book of (Ezekiel). We understand that we have access to 65 other books. (Ezekiel) is just a chapter in the Bible. As I have already told you, no one prophecy tells the whole story. You can do whatever you like. But we compare Scripture to Scripture to find the true story.

You're not listening. Again, I said nothing about establishing a secular democracy. I said nothing about establishing a 'torah based society'. That's your story, not mine. Milk it for all you can, but it's yours, not mine. The 7 year Tribulation period is spoken by many prophets in the Old Testament and in the New. Thus we use all of them to understand the full story. And (Daniel) and (Revelation) are very important in this area. Here is some breaking news for you, prophecy is not confined to one book of the Bible.

You're not being honest. I did explain it. Go back and reread. Because the 7 year Tribulation must occur first, then there is a time element involved before Israel is brought back into a right relationship with God. Conclusion: Israel is brought back to the land in unbelief and must still go through the 7 year Tribulation.

No, (Ezekiel) doesn't say that. You are saying that. God says in the Bible that Israel will be brought back in unbelief to the land. There she will suffer the last 7 years of judgement. I'm giving you the prophecies. You just refuse to believe them. Go to (Dan. 9). Concerning (Ezekiel) you have already showed you don't believe the prophecies there.

Well, your 'torah based society' was against God. Now what? A 'torah based society' doesn't amount to a pile of beans when Jesus Christ is rejected. A 'torah based society' doesn't bring Israel back into a right relationship with God. Only a Jesus Christ based relationship does.

So, the Bible is not yours either yet you fancy yourself as a great expositor. Again, from one who believes and knows the Bible, only a Jesus Christ based relationship will result in a right relationship with God.

The statutes and ordinances of the Lord are found throughout the Old Testament. What they were or meant to the Jews depends on the
Jews you would be addressing. The Jews constantly rejected God and His Law. So which ones are you wanting to talk about?

There are more Old Testament Scriptures than the Torah. Jews can make a show of following the Law and miss Jesus Christ, which they did. Do you consider (Ezekiel) the Word of God? How about (Isaiah)? What do you consider the Word of God?

I'm sorry. I have showed you. You just don't want to believe it. I'm sorry. You reject what the texts say. I'm sorry.

I understand your 'point' and know that you are mistaken. I have explained to you multiple times that it doesn't matter how many decades pass from when Israel comes back to the land in unbelief and when she is brought back into a right relationship with God. So, spare me this 'I don't understand you' stuff. I understand you very well.

In other words you didn't read (Eze. 22:17-22) when you said just another passage combining God's gathering and cleansing in one thought. Now you want to weasel out and say it is just metaphor. Typical. Why haven't you declared (Eze. 36:24-25) just a metaphor? Why do you want to take it so literally? I take both literally. And believe and understand both. You don't believe and don't understand either.

Prophecies do show Israel is brought back into the land in unbelief. They must undergo the 7 year Tribulation while in that unbelief. Thus a certain time element is involved between their being back in the land and being in a right relationship with God. That they were brought back to the land in 1948 makes it possible for the completion of these prophecies. Which makes 1948 important to the fulfillment of prophecy.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I think it would be good to keep in mind that Jesus said ' 'just like the days of Noah....'
There was No 7-year period in Noah's day but the end came hard and swift.
There was No 7-year period when un-faithful Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70. The end came hard and swift.
So, there is No reason to think the end of all badness on Earth will Not come hard and swift.

That's intersting. Where does it say that in Scripture?

You say the end in the year 70 was hard and swift. Was it? From what I have read it was anything but swift.

Why do you believe the Scripture about 'just like in the days of Noah' but don't believe the Scripture concerning the 7 year Tribulation?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[InChrist]

What did you find as replacement theology at www.jw.org________________

I did not go to jw. org, I responded to your post. If the beliefs you that stated ... ” Israel of God is a spiritual nation (the Christian congregation )”, is are a reflection of Watchtower doctrine or your own, it is replacement theology and contrary to the Bible.

 

[Left Coast]

We as Christians don't just have the book of (Ezekiel). We understand that we have access to 65 other books. (Ezekiel) is just a chapter in the Bible. As I have already told you, no one prophecy tells the whole story. You can do whatever you like. But we compare Scripture to Scripture to find the true story.

You're not listening. Again, I said nothing about establishing a secular democracy. I said nothing about establishing a 'torah based society'. That's your story, not mine. Milk it for all you can, but it's yours, not mine. The 7 year Tribulation period is spoken by many prophets in the Old Testament and in the New. Thus we use all of them to understand the full story. And (Daniel) and (Revelation) are very important in this area. Here is some breaking news for you, prophecy is not confined to one book of the Bible.

You're not being honest. I did explain it. Go back and reread. Because the 7 year Tribulation must occur first, then there is a time element involved before Israel is brought back into a right relationship with God. Conclusion: Israel is brought back to the land in unbelief and must still go through the 7 year Tribulation.

No, (Ezekiel) doesn't say that. You are saying that. God says in the Bible that Israel will be brought back in unbelief to the land. There she will suffer the last 7 years of judgement. I'm giving you the prophecies. You just refuse to believe them. Go to (Dan. 9). Concerning (Ezekiel) you have already showed you don't believe the prophecies there.

Well, your 'torah based society' was against God. Now what? A 'torah based society' doesn't amount to a pile of beans when Jesus Christ is rejected. A 'torah based society' doesn't bring Israel back into a right relationship with God. Only a Jesus Christ based relationship does.

So, the Bible is not yours either yet you fancy yourself as a great expositor. Again, from one who believes and knows the Bible, only a Jesus Christ based relationship will result in a right relationship with God.

The statutes and ordinances of the Lord are found throughout the Old Testament. What they were or meant to the Jews depends on the
Jews you would be addressing. The Jews constantly rejected God and His Law. So which ones are you wanting to talk about?

There are more Old Testament Scriptures than the Torah. Jews can make a show of following the Law and miss Jesus Christ, which they did. Do you consider (Ezekiel) the Word of God? How about (Isaiah)? What do you consider the Word of God?

I'm sorry. I have showed you. You just don't want to believe it. I'm sorry. You reject what the texts say. I'm sorry.

I understand your 'point' and know that you are mistaken. I have explained to you multiple times that it doesn't matter how many decades pass from when Israel comes back to the land in unbelief and when she is brought back into a right relationship with God. So, spare me this 'I don't understand you' stuff. I understand you very well.

In other words you didn't read (Eze. 22:17-22) when you said just another passage combining God's gathering and cleansing in one thought. Now you want to weasel out and say it is just metaphor. Typical. Why haven't you declared (Eze. 36:24-25) just a metaphor? Why do you want to take it so literally? I take both literally. And believe and understand both. You don't believe and don't understand either.

Prophecies do show Israel is brought back into the land in unbelief. They must undergo the 7 year Tribulation while in that unbelief. Thus a certain time element is involved between their being back in the land and being in a right relationship with God. That they were brought back to the land in 1948 makes it possible for the completion of these prophecies. Which makes 1948 important to the fulfillment of prophecy.

Good-Ole-Rebel

You're still not getting it. Show me someone from 100 years ago that predicted the state of affairs Israel is in using the Bible, imagining that Israel would be a secular democracy for decades after the Jews kinda, halfway "came back into the land." Show me. Don't tell me more of your opinions or interpretations of the Scriptures. They're irrelevant. Show me. So far, you haven't, though I keep asking.

 

[Left Coast]

For reference, here's the relevant portion of Daniel 9. Nothing about Israel halfway being brought back to the land for decades before repenting.

"Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city: to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place. Know therefore and understand: from the time that the word went out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the time of an anointed prince, there shall be seven weeks; and for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with streets and moat, but in a troubled time. After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing, and the troops of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall make sacrifice and offering cease; and in their place shall be an abomination that desolates, until the decreed end is poured out upon the desolator.”

 

[Left Coast]

The passages where some Christians get the "seven year Tribulation" idea are from the book of Revelation, specifically two passages that mention a 3 1/2 year period:

"Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Come and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months. And I will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for one thousand two hundred sixty days, wearing sackcloth.” Rev. 11.1-3

And Rev. 12.1-6:

"A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pangs, in the agony of giving birth. Then another portent appeared in heaven: a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God and to his throne; and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, so that there she can be nourished for one thousand two hundred sixty days."

How, out of any of that jumble of symbolism, you get, "the nation of Israel will be a secular democracy for decades, half the world's Jews will live there and half won't, culminating in 7 years of Tribulation where they choose the Anti-Christ over Jesus," I have no idea, but good luck.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You're still not getting it. Show me someone from 100 years ago that predicted the state of affairs Israel is in using the Bible, imagining that Israel would be a secular democracy for decades after the Jews kinda, halfway "came back into the land." Show me. Don't tell me more of your opinions or interpretations of the Scriptures. They're irrelevant. Show me. So far, you haven't, though I keep asking.

And your not listening, or ignoring what I have said. Your statement, ' a secualr democracy for decades after the Jews kinda, halfway came back into the land' is your description. Not mine. My description is Israel returns in unbelief. Why? Because in order for the Tribulation to take place she must be in unbelief in order to do the things she does during that time. That is not an opinion. That is Scripture. Would Israel be in the land when she makes a pact witht the anti-christ? Will Israel be in the land when she rebuilds the temple under the protection of the anti-christ? Will Israel, during this time she is back in the land doing this, be in a right relationship with God?

(Eze. 36:24-25) is true. The Lord will regather Israel. The Lord will cleanse her. That cleansing will be through the judgement of the last 7 years of (Daniels) 70 weeks.

Because Israel must be in the land for this to occur, 1948 was important in order to fulfill the prophecies.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Left Coast]

And your not listening, or ignoring what I have said. Your statement, ' a secualr democracy for decades after the Jews kinda, halfway came back into the land' is your description. Not mine. My description is Israel returns in unbelief. Why? Because in order for the Tribulation to take place she must be in unbelief in order to do the things she does during that time. That is not an opinion. That is Scripture. Would Israel be in the land when she makes a pact witht the anti-christ? Will Israel be in the land when she rebuilds the temple under the protection of the anti-christ? Will Israel, during this time she is back in the land doing this, be in a right relationship with God?

(Eze. 36:24-25) is true. The Lord will regather Israel. The Lord will cleanse her. That cleansing will be through the judgement of the last 7 years of (Daniels) 70 weeks.

Because Israel must be in the land for this to occur, 1948 was important in order to fulfill the prophecies.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Got it, so you don't have an answer to my question. Thank you.

 

[InChrist]

You're entitled to whatever belief you like, but none of the passages you've cited predict that Israel would be a secular democratic nation as you initially stated. Still not seeing any reason to regard 1948 as a fulfillment of any prophecy.

Of course you are entitled to your view, but I have no doubt that the establishment of the nation of Israel back in the land i. 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. As I said previously, the scriptures do not use the words democratic or secular, but the prophecies are abundant concerning the return of Israel to the land in unbelief and lacking a spiritual relationship with God.


“There was a sound, and behold, a rattling, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. And I looked, and behold, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them.

But there was no breath in them.

Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.”

So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.” (Ez 37:7-10)

The restoration of the people of Israel to their biblical homeland is one of the events most frequently prophesied about in the Bible. The reestablishment of Israel in 1948 was a fulfilment of prophecy, and not just one or two prophecies either. In his earnest studies of biblical prophecy back in the 1600s, Sir Isaac Newton wrote that it was foretold in “all ye prophets” [2].”
Ezekiel's Dry Bones Prophecy about Israel Coming Back to Life - ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry

 

[Left Coast]

Of course you are entitled to your view, but I have no doubt that the establishment of the nation of Israel back in the land i. 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. As I said previously, the scriptures do not use the words democratic or secular, but the prophecies are abundant concerning the return of Israel to the land in unbelief and lacking a spiritual relationship with God.

“There was a sound, and behold, a rattling, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. And I looked, and behold, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them.

But there was no breath in them.

Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.”

So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.” (Ez 37:7-10)

The restoration of the people of Israel to their biblical homeland is one of the events most frequently prophesied about in the Bible. The reestablishment of Israel in 1948 was a fulfilment of prophecy, and not just one or two prophecies either. In his earnest studies of biblical prophecy back in the 1600s, Sir Isaac Newton wrote that it was foretold in “all ye prophets” [2].”
Ezekiel's Dry Bones Prophecy about Israel Coming Back to Life - ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry

If you go take a look at the reference to Newton's views there, they actually comport with what I said. He wrote:

"For they understand not that ye final return of ye Jews captivity & their conquering the nations <of ye four Monarchies> & setting up a righteous & flourishing Kingdom at ye day of judgment is this mystery. Did they understand this they would find it in all ye old Prophets who write of ye last times as in ye last chapters of Isaiah where the Prophet conjoyns the new heaven & new earth with ye ruin of ye wicked nations, the end of weeping & of all troubles, the return of ye Jews captivity & their setting up a flourishing & everlasting Kingdom."

So Newton, like me, recognized that in the mind of the Jewish prophets, these events are "conjoined," not separated out in decades-long phases.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Got it, so you don't have an answer to my question. Thank you.

Your question is to you. You fabricated it. Nice try. Now you want to bale when I ask you questions you cannot answer. Typical.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Left Coast]

Your question is to you. You fabricated it. Nice try. Now you want to bale when I ask you questions you cannot answer. Typical.

Good-Ole-Rebel

My question is to me? That doesn't make any sense. Your questions in your last post are predicated on the accuracy of your particular interpretations of Scripture, which I don't grant. Nor are they relevant to my point. Every prophecy-based religion on earth has devised ways of squinting and looking sideways at their prophecies to make what's happened in history match what their religion predicted. And they all find ways to rationalize it. That's not interesting, or noteworthy, or relevant. It's completely run of the mill. So again, that's why I don't need more of your personal opinions about how the Bible matches what's happened, somehow some way.

I'm asking you the actually relevant question that needs answering. Who, 100 years ago (go farther back, if you'd like) predicted the state of affairs Israel is in, where Israel is a nation but only half of the Jews live there, and for decades they've been a secular nation, based on what the Bible says? Show me. Otherwise, we don't need to keep going on.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

My question is to me? That doesn't make any sense. Your questions in your last post are predicated on the accuracy of your particular interpretations of Scripture, which I don't grant. Nor are they relevant to my point. Every prophecy-based religion on earth has devised ways of squinting and looking sideways at their prophecies to make what's happened in history match what their religion predicted. And they all find ways to rationalize it. That's not interesting, or noteworthy, or relevant. It's completely run of the mill. So again, that's why I don't need more of your personal opinions about how the Bible matches what's happened, somehow some way.

I'm asking you the actually relevant question that needs answering. Who, 100 years ago (go farther back, if you'd like) predicted the state of affairs Israel is in, where Israel is a nation but only half of the Jews live there, and for decades they've been a secular nation, based on what the Bible says? Show me. Otherwise, we don't need to keep going on.

Whether we go on is immaterial to me. Yes, you have created a question that I never said. Thus it is your question. Of your making. I am under no obligation to answer it. Ask me if Scripture teaches that Israel will be brought back into the land in unbelief, and I will answer. For that is what I have said.

Just because you don't understand the Bible and prophecy doesn't mean I don't. If you want to bale, bale.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Left Coast]

Whether we go on is immaterial to me. Yes, you have created a question that I never said. Thus it is your question. Of your making. I am under no obligation to answer it. Ask me if Scripture teaches that Israel will be brought back into the land in unbelief, and I will answer. For that is what I have said.

Just because you don't understand the Bible and prophecy doesn't mean I don't. If you want to bale, bale.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I'm not bailing at all. You're evading, because you don't have an answer. Yes, I know your vague post hoc rationalization can be made to fit the facts. That's irrelevant, for the 20th time. When you actually find an answer my question, then the conversation will be productive. Till then, you're just bobbing and weaving.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I'm not bailing at all. You're evading, because you don't have an answer. Yes, I know your vague post hoc rationalization can be made to fit the facts. That's irrelevant, for the 20th time. When you actually find an answer my question, then the conversation will be productive. Till then, you're just bobbing and weaving.

For the 20th time, your question doesn't pertain to me. It is a question made up by you for you to answer. Not me. Nice try...but no cigar.

Meanwhile....Israel returning to the land in 1948 is important in Biblical prophecy. Why? Because Israel must be in the land in order for the last 7 years of (Daniel's) 70 weeks to be fulfilled. And now she is.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Left Coast]

For the 20th time, your question doesn't pertain to me. It is a question made up by you for you to answer. Not me. Nice try...but no cigar.

All questions are made up, that's the nature of language. English didn't fall from the sky. Your incoherent dodge won't get you anywhere with me.

Meanwhile....Israel returning to the land in 1948 is important in Biblical prophecy. Why? Because Israel must be in the land in order for the last 7 years of (Daniel's) 70 weeks to be fulfilled. And now she is.

Good-Ole-Rebel

More of your interpretation, still no relevant answer. We're done, till you have one.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That's intersting. Where does it say that in Scripture?
You say the end in the year 70 was hard and swift. Was it? From what I have read it was anything but swift.
Why do you believe the Scripture about 'just like in the days of Noah' but don't believe the Scripture concerning the 7 year Tribulation?
Good-Ole-Rebel

Thank you for your reply, What Jesus said is found at Matthew 24:37-39.
I think my reply was in connection that some people think there will be a 7-year tribulation (Rev. 7:14,9)
There was No 7-year trib. in Noah's day. The people did Not last 7 years once the rains came down.
There was No 7-year trib. in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed un-faithful Jerusalem.
So, in that respect, that pattern, the great tribulation will Not be a 7-year period.
Once the judgement call of Matthew 25:31-33,37 is made there is No reason to prolong the destruction of the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-16.
Thus, the end will come hard and swift for the sake of the righteous who will inherit the Earth starting with calendar Day One of Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth.
Most people think only of a heavenly hope, do you think there could also be a soon coming earthly hope for us _________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I did not go to jw. org, I responded to your post. If the beliefs you that stated ... ” Israel of God is a spiritual nation (the Christian congregation )”, is are a reflection of Watchtower doctrine or your own, it is replacement theology and contrary to the Bible.

Again, what do you find contrary to the Bible at www.jw.org _____________
The 'Israel of God' is from Scripture - see Galatians 6:16
Jerusalem ' above' is Now the seat of government - see Galatians 4:26
Because ' Jerusalem ' above ' is the ' mother ' of the Christ ' the anointed one ' who proved to be Jesus. Not anointed by fleshly birth but at baptism.
Jerusalem ' above ' is thus also the ' mother ' of Jesus' ' spiritual brothers ' of Romans chapter 8 who proved to be saints or holy ones of Daniel 7:18.
Christians No longer a Jew by fleshly descent, Nor by national descent but by God's spirit, a spiritual Jew - see Romans 2:28-29
Peter does Not speak of a nation on Earth but a ' spiritual nation' - please notice 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 2:5