Your "Christian" community apparently suppose that their leaders are true. Yeshua said you will know the "false prophets" by the fruit of their trees. The tree founded on Paul, that produced your "canon", is historically and presently not good. As for the leaders present when Yeshua returns, "I will destroy" (Ez 34:16-24). Apparently the LORD and his servant David, will not think too highly of your leaders.
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Who epitomizes the "blind leading the blind"?
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Your "Christian" community apparently suppose that their leaders are true. Yeshua said you will know the "false prophets" by the fruit of their trees. The tree founded on Paul, that produced your "canon", is historically and presently not good. As for the leaders present when Yeshua returns, "I will destroy" (Ez 34:16-24). Apparently the LORD and his servant David, will not think too highly of your leaders.
Christianity was built upon the sandy foundation of both Peter and Paul. It was Paul's homespun rhetoric, and Peter's supposed authority. Both, along with Judas Iscariot, were fulfilling a role set out in Zechariah 11. The Christian churches, the daughters of Babylon, will "fall", and Paul, the false prophet will wind up beside the "beast" (Rev 20:10). Apparently, creating a church of the "many", will not be held as a positive creation, but necessary to fulfill Scripture (Hosea 3).
Pete never went to Rome.
Yeshua specifically laid down how one was to judge whether your supposed prophets were false or true (Mt 7:15-24). You can use that as your guide, or you can incorrectly quote from the leading false prophet. One must avoid the "wicked", and to do that, one must heed "a father's directions" (Proverbs 4:4-19) and "Keep my commandments and live".
Peter was not the "rock"/petras the "church" was built on, but that was the false perception. The Roman bishop never went to Nicaea, but the Roman church is built on the false foundation of there being a Trinity. The perception was that Peter went to, died, and is buried in Rome. The perception is that Paul was killed and buried in Rome. Perception and fact do not always coincide. What is evident is that the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine glorified both Peter and Paul by building a basilica for each.
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Apparently Numbers 25:1-9 has the best answer, with respect to Balaam and those who call themselves prophets, such as Paul.
Got question Answer: In Revelation 2:14, the church of Pergamum is scolded for tolerating the “teaching of Balaam,” or the “doctrine of Balaam.” Balaam’s name is also invoked in 2 Peter 2:15 and Jude 1:11, both in warnings about the conduct and message of false teachers. All of these are references to the Old Testament character of Balaam, who tried unsuccessfully to prophesy against the people of Israel (Numbers 22). He eventually advised King Balak of Moab, the enemy of Israel, to pursue a campaign of seduction against them (Numbers 31:8). The doctrine of Balaam is not only a serious problem, but a devious one. When the frontal assault failed, Balaam took a back-door approach.
Balaam, a prophet from Mesopotamia, was willing to use his God-given talents for illicit purposes. Even though he knew Balak was God’s enemy, he tried to sell his prophetic gifts to help him. When that didn’t work, Balaam counseled Balak on the most effective way to weaken Israel. This was through seduction, using Moabite and Midianite women to tempt the Israelites into sexual relationships and into pagan rituals. The Israelites who participated brought God’s judgment upon themselves (Numbers 25:1–9).
"My" Christian community is huge. It includes everyone from people who live lives that are inspiring examples of "The Living Gospel" to people like Jimmy Bakker.
And frankly, you look more like the Jimmy Bakker end of the scale to me. Your posts suggest a degree of self centered arrogance that smells like the sort of self absorbed Christian world view I personally find ugly.
Tom
Sorry, I meant to ask a scripture where "Paul is saying there are no gods, so why not eat the food that had been sacrificed to the non gods".
There is a world of difference between discernment of good and bad prophets and being judgmental. This is so because it is the scriptures that judge false prophets, not we ourselves. You are in error.
You seem a little twisted in your thinking. Yeshua gave straight forward criteria in determining false prophets. It is the individual who must use that criteria in making a judgment. They can't turn to the teachers, pastors, or prophets set up by Paul, the guy that meets the criteria for being a false prophet. It is the "many", led by the false prophets, who go down the wide path to destruction. (Mt 7:13-15).
1 Corinthians 8:4 4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that "An idol is nothing at all in the world" and that "There is no God but one."
1 Corinthians 10:19 19Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything?
Is your Jim Bakker the con man? If so, I can see where he might fit right into your "Christian community". And by the way, what is your "Living Gospel"? Would that be the gospel of the kingdom of heaven, which is power and spirit, or one of where you are okay and I am okay, we are all saved, and surely shall not die (Gen 3:4)? You kind of sound like someone from the Unitarian church, which seems a little on the fence. (Rev 3:16)
Your certainly right not to turn to Paul of Tarsus, he got it wrong. But you don’t need to look to Jesus of Nazareth to see the correct test for a prophet or teacher. It was given by HaShem in Deuteronomy 18.
That seems to put your "Christians" in a low light. While for the most part, "Christians" seem to be on the wrong path (Mt 7), led by the false prophets and their assigned leaders. The judgment will start with their leaders (Ezekiel 34:16), but "My flock" "I will lead them to rest", and "I will judge between one sheep and another".
Well, if you believe Dt 18, then Dt 18:18 should apply as well, and you should listen to the prophet that is actually sent. As for the presumptuous words of Paul (Dt 18:20), apparently one of the horns of the beast of Daniel, Nero, brought about Paul's death. And accordingly, you should not be afraid of the presumptuous prophet called Shaul/Saul, who was renamed Paul. Paul's appointed leaders, as well as the leaders of Israel, "shepherds of Israel" (Ez 34:2) will be dealt with in due time "My flock" will be given one leader, "My servant David" (Ez 34:23). Judgement starts with the leadership.
Sorry, I don’t see how those would mean it is ok to eat food that is sacrificed to idols.
Who are you preaching to? I’m a Jew and I certainly don’t accept Paul of Tarsus’ teachings. Which I already stated. But Deuteronomy 18 is a sound basis for rejection of the Christian New Testament too.
Paul states the "food" is "not anything", nor the "idol" "anything", such as there are no gods to sacrifice to, and therefore eating the food is perfectly fine for guys like him with perfect understanding and who are not weak in faith. His only restriction is to not eat in front of those who are weak in faith.
The "Christian" bible also contains the Law and the prophets. Does that mean you have to reject the law and the prophets too? Apparently the "LORD" has problems with the "sons of Israel" as well. It seems he found no faithfulness or kindness among them, nor knowledge of God in the Land (Hosea 4:1). For this reason they have been under judgment, both Ephraim and Judah (Hosea 5), and will remain so until they acknowledge their guilt. Ephraim and Judah will not be revived until after "two days" (Hosea 6:2), which would be 2000 years. Per Zechariah 12, Judah has now been coming into the land of Jacob, but they have not acknowledged the prophet to come of Dt 18, and wept for their act of piercing "Me". (Zechariah 12:10). The "new covenant"/new testament is a sham of Paul and his apparent associates, but Paul's church is the woman bought with the equivalent of 30 shekels of silver to help the sons of Israel seek the LORD in the "last days". (Hosea 3)
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Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The Christian book of Hebrews makes it pretty clear that the Law is passing away, that it has been replaced by the New Covenant. So, yeah, if you are a Christian, I don't see how you can accept the Torah. As for the prophets, Christians interpret them idiosyncratically. They see messianic prophecies on practically every page. That's not what Jews see.