I find at Matthew 25:37 the figurative humble 'sheep' do receive a 'favorable' judgement.
They will come through the coming ' great tribulation ' as per Revelation 7:14,9.
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How God’s Kingdom Will Come—Not What You Think!
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They will come through the coming ' great tribulation ' as per Revelation 7:14,9.
I agree, the wicked will have No part in the first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10.
The wicked are ' destroyed forever' as per Psalms 92:7
Even wicked sinner Satan will be destroyed by Christ - Hebrews 2:14 B.
That first or earlier resurrection is the 'resurrection to heavenly life' for such people as the ones of Luke 22:28-30.
They are like the people of Daniel 7:18 the holy ones or saints. They have two (2) heavenly jobs to do:
* They will serve mankind living on Earth as kings to take care of governmental responsibilities.
* They will serve mankind living on Earth as priests to take care of spiritual duties towards people of Earth.
Revelation 20:4-6 The resurrected will "be priest" and reign with Him for a thousand years".
The relevant question is who was the "beast" who was worshipped (Revelation 20:4). And do you worship the beast, his image, or do you bear the mark? If you don't know who the beast, or the dragon, or the false prophet is, what do you know?
You seem to be hung up on your own semantics. The determination/judgment will be between the righteous and the wicked. The righteous sheep will be put on the right hand and the wicked goats on the left (Matthew 25:32). The righteous apparently to "eternal life", and the goats apparently to "eternal punishment". (Matthew 25:46). A good determination/judgment for the sheep, and a bad determination/judgment for the goats.
Judicial Determination means a final nonappealable determination of a court of competent jurisdiction.
I find the figurative humble 'sheep' at the coming 'time of separating' on Earth receive a 'favorable judgement'.
They do Not fear any judgement day, but look forward to this coming separating time of Matthew 25:31-33,37.
Interesting, however in a jury trial they pass judgement on the innocent also.
They make a judgement choice as to whether one is innocent or guilty, both choices are judgement calls.
In Scripture ' beasts ' are likened to beast-like governments. aka human rulers in opposition to God.
The 'image' of the beast would be a mirror image, so to speak, of all the beast-like governments combined.
The dragon stands for Satan, and the false prophet of Rev. 16:13; 19:20; 20:10 acts like a prophet for the wild beast.
A political prophet or political propaganda for the beast-like governments.
People who put political worship (so to speak ) and its image are the ones who worship the beast.
Where they 'show their faces' marks them as to who they worship. What is first in their life.
cataway
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a jury determines innocent or gilt . from there a judge takes over .
cataway
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yes and the ones that are so marked are the ones that do the pledge of allegiance and get peed off if some others don't do the pledge.
The parable about goats and sheep, those that don't feed the hungry and those who do (Mt 25), is derived from Ezekiel 34, whereas the "shepherds" are likened to those who eat the fat of the sheep and do not feed the sheep. Per Ez 34:16, "I will judge between one sheep and another", and "the fat and strong I will destroy". "I will feed them with judgment". All this precedes "I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David will be prince among them." Apparently, it is the "shepherds" who are under the greater judgment. If your pastor is riding in his own personal jet, or living better than the common man, you might want to keep space between them and yourself
Actually, a person can often select trial by judge alone. A jury in the U.S. is generally only required for a death penalty. As for under the "kingdom", the "resurrected" (Rev 20:4), will reign with Christ, and pass judgments. As for Christ himself, he will rule the nations/Gentiles with a rod of iron. (Rev 19:15) As for who is the "beast with two horns like a lamb" who was to deceive those "who dwell on earth", that would be Constantine the king of Rome, who instituted the Roman church and who has endeavored to change the law and the times (Daniel 7:25), by changing the day of rest, the Sabbath, to the day of the sun, Sunday, the day of his god Sol Invictus. His two horns like a lamb, needed for the deception, were the two Christ like leaders, Peter and Paul. Peter being the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16-17, who "left the flock", and Paul being the false prophet on which Mt 7:15-23 was modeled.
cataway
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its obvious your guessing at what is to happen in the book of revelation
You wish.
In Scripture, the 'shepherds' are without salary, without pay for what they do. - 1st Timothy chapter 3
Even the apostle Paul worked as a tentmaker to support his ministry - Acts of the Apostles 18:3; 1 Thessalonians 2:9.
Many choose ' shepherds ' in order to hear what they want to hear, to have their ' ears tickled '- 2 Timothy 4:3
False shepherds teach the resurrection has already taken place as per 2 Timothy 2:18.
Even at funerals they place the dead person as already resurrected, already alive.
Whereas, Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
Since the dead know nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5) Nothing but sleep - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18,
then when we die there is No light but just the darkness of the grave until the light of Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day meaning: Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 'first' comes to the living at the 'time of separation' on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33.
We are at the time of the feet of that political statue, or ever closer to the time of the toes, or even the time of the toe nails !
The political statue is brought down before Jesus, as King of God's Kingdom, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
At the coming 'time of separation' on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33 shepherd Jesus is the Judge.
cataway
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next you will be telling us that Jesus has a long two edge sword sticking out of his mouth
dfnj
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I'm going by what people report happens when they are close to death:
"People who have near-death experiences often recall seeing a white light. ... Written accounts of NDEs go back to ancient times. Usually, they involve euphoria, tunnels, bright lights, ethereal beings or some combination of those phenomena."
Do you believe everything the Bible tells you is absolute truth? If the Bible were not written by men how can you reconcile these verses:
In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighboring people:
“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)
The killing of infants is often omitted from readings in church:
“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)
Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)
As if my wife would ever allow me to have a concubine. Also, don't you find it a little strange if the Bible were the absolute truth and word of God that having a concubine would be morally okay?
In this story from the Book of Judges, an Israelite leader, Jephthah, makes a rash vow to God, which has to be carried out:
“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
I'm sorry, how can you think the Bible be absolute truth and the word of God if it got the morality of slavery wrong!
You are delusional if you think the Bible is the word of God. It is the word of men. The essential message of the Bible is morality is important. But reading the Bible should not be taken out of the historical context in which it was written.