The Quandary

[Ancient Soul]

Actually, his official name is Nova....
We started calling him the silver bullet because of how fast he moves.

That's how the Native Americans made up names. They waited until something unique happened/developed with a person, then named them upon that.

I used that technique with my current dog.

I named him Azarel, which means "Helped By God".

That is because after my last dog passed on, it took me many MONTHS to find another puppy. It took so long because even with the Internet to search, all the so called "rescues" were pilfering all the available dogs off of all the classified ads there, so they could re-sell them and make $$$. So I was getting discouraged. Then I just happened to come across a pure bred German Sheppard puppy ad in an obscure classified. And it was being offered for FREE! And it was within just a couple of miles from where I lived! The only catch was that he was diagnosed as having a grade 4 heart murmur. So I quickly looked up how serious that was, and how to care for a dog like that. It was doable, so I called the woman up and picked it up the very next day. And now to the reason I called him Azarel (Helped by God), was not only did I happen to go to that obscure classified ad site by luck on that day, but the woman was ready to give up finding a home for him THE VERY NEXT DAY, and "put him down", figuring nobody wanted him with his condition. So he was saved in the nick of time. Not only that, but he now has a dream life going out for long hikes in the woods most every day, having a BLAST!

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And yet this Bahá’u’lláh CLAIMED he had an experience from "god", that does not mean he had one, yet you blindly believe in the religion some men built upon his CLAIM.

So you are clearly not dealing with reality, as you have yet to provide any PROOF that he actually had one.

That is the quandary, why are some so sure and yet they get replies such as you have posted.

Baha'u'llah proved He has a Message from God and many accepted that. The great thing is that God has chosen not to make a miraculous display of material authority and kingship, thus as God only wants our hearts, that is what finds the True King, the Messiah.

A quandary indeed. moon and stars, luckily they will not fall from a literal heaven.

Regards Tony

 

[Ancient Soul]

That is the quandary, why are some so sure and yet they get replies such as you have posted.

Baha'u'llah proved He has a Message from God and many accepted that. The great thing is that God has chosen not to make a miraculous display of material authority and kingship, thus as God only wants our hearts, that is what finds the True King, the Messiah.

A quandary indeed. moon and stars, luckily they will not fall from a literal heaven.

Regards Tony

Oh noooo!!!

Not you too!!!

It just astounds me how gullible people are.

All of the thousands of religions ever invented by MAN falsely claim that they came from some "god". And gullible people are so eager to blindly believe and follow the first one who can get to brainwash them. Then they become mindless religious zombies who believe that ONLY THEIR religion is from "god" and all others are false. Insisting it's "from God" because their dogma SAYS SO and nothing more. Geez...

Fine, have it your way:

Book of God's Word 3:16
All Ancient Soul’s posts are God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in spiritualness.

Book of God's Word 13:10-13
Why God speakest thou unto them non-believers in parables? 11. "Because it is given to Ancient Soul to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them non-believers it is not given." 12. For whosoever hath, to Ancient Soul it shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he that he hath." 13. Therefore speak I to them non-believers "in parables:" because the seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."

Book of God's Word 13:10
Jesus answered, “Ancient Soul is the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Ancient Soul.”.

Book of God's Word 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, Ancient Soul is the light of the world: he that understand him shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Book of God's Word 7:24–27
Therefore whosoever readeth these sayings of Ancient Soul, and doeth understand them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that readeth these posts of Ancient Soul, and understandeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

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So there it is, IN WRITING, so now you just HAVE to blindly believe in everything I post.

Right?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So there it is, IN WRITING, so now you just HAVE to blindly believe in everything I post.

Right?

No chance Ancient Soul, you have no proofs.

Regards Tony

 

[Ancient Soul]

No chance Ancient Soul, you have no proofs.

Regards Tony

Thanks for agreeing that your religion has no proofs either!

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thanks for agreeing that your religion has no proofs either!

It has Two Messengers from God, that are actually the Ancient Soul of all God's Messengers.

Sorry, you do not butter the bread the right side up for me. You even hide from everyone with a hidden profile.

God has never hidden, His Messengers jump right into the Lions Den, so to speak.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

That is the quandary, why are some so sure and yet they get replies such as you have posted.

Baha'u'llah proved He has a Message from God and many accepted that. The great thing is that God has chosen not to make a miraculous display of material authority and kingship, thus as God only wants our hearts, that is what finds the True King, the Messiah.

A quandary indeed. moon and stars, luckily they will not fall from a literal heaven.

Regards Tony

Miraculous things were part of the proof in the Bible. Moses had his magic walking stick. Elijah raise a kid from the dead and called fire down from heaven. Jesus did all his miracles. But do we really believe those things happened? Even the Baha'i Faith questions them don't they?

Then, there is the prophecies. Baha'is do claim Baha'u'llah has fulfilled all the prophecies don't they? And, don't you have some prophecies that were made by Baha'u'llah? But, too many prophecies come from one or two verses taken out of context. Even Christians do this with prophecies about Jesus. Lots of their prophecies about Jesus are very questionable. So who can really trust them as proof of anything? Is that why you're not using them as proofs?

Oh, and I've asked about what you think of the Book of Mormon. I don't believe it is from God. And, I don't see how any Baha'i could think it's from God. But yet, it works just fine for the Mormons. They believe it and trust it. Then ordinary Trinitarian Christians... Jesus is God the Son. They believe it and trust it. You and I could believe they are whacked out believing such a thing. But, it works for them. A probable wrong belief, but it works. Not to mention all their other Christian beliefs that Baha'is disagree with.

So people do have beliefs you, as a Baha'i, know are false, because you're prophet said so. Yet, their "false" beliefs work for them. And where do these "false" beliefs come from? God or man? But then what? They turn it around on you and say that their beliefs are from God, therefore your beliefs are false and not from God. You know for sure. And they know for sure. They say Jesus is coming soon. And you say he is not coming, but it is the Spirit of Christ that is coming and has already come. Their proof is in their heart. And your proof is in your heart. And to an outside observer, you both could be wrong or one of you right.

 

[Ancient Soul]

It has Two Messengers from God, that are actually the Ancient Soul of all God's Messengers.

Sorry, you do not butter the bread the right side up for me. You even hide from everyone with a hidden profile.

God has never hidden, His Messengers jump right into the Lions Den, so to speak.

Regards Tony

Ha, repeating a falsehood over, and over, and over... does not make it true.

You have never presented any proof that your dogma came from any "god". Just keep saying, and saying, and saying it does, doesn't cut it.

Diversion away from the topic. It's not my problem if your browser doesn't show my avatar profile. Not that it has anything to do with the issue.

And I understand that you are desperately trying to divert attention away from the fact that you have no proof that your religion came from "god", but you are only showing a serious lack of spiritual understanding.

You just claimed that: "God has never hidden". So where is he? All the atheists would LOVE to SEE him.

And this gem: "His Messengers jump right into the Lions Den, so to speak". Oh really? From what I've been presented from you and Trailblazer is nothing but fancy sounding gobbledygook that is more intended to mesmerize and befuddle gullible people. A "messenger" of gobbledygook only. Or are you implying I should start writing with gobbledygook also?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So people do have beliefs you, as a Baha'i, know are false, because you're prophet said so. Yet, their "false" beliefs work for them. And where do these "false" beliefs come from? God or man? But then what? They turn it around on you and say that their beliefs are from God, therefore your beliefs are false and not from God. You know for sure. And they know for sure. They say Jesus is coming soon. And you say he is not coming, but it is the Spirit of Christ that is coming and has already come. Their proof is in their heart. And your proof is in your heart. And to an outside observer, you both could be wrong or one of you right.

Such is the quandary, and that of free will.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Ha, repeating a falsehood over, and over, and over... does not make it true

It also does not make it false. Oh such a quandary

I see no need to argue the point, you have your way, I have mine.

I wish you all the best this world can offer. That is also a metaphor.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

If you had met the most wonderful person in the whole universe when you were just a child, and they protected you your entire life, treated you with unlimited love, was filled with nothing but empathy and compassion, NEVER showed even an inkling of any of the lower emotions like jealously, hate, anger, revenge, wrath, cruelty, etc., answered all your questions in a clear, concise, and all encompassing manner, etc, etc, etc...

Then you found out many people were writing books of LIES about him and claiming to have ALL the answers about him and all things "spiritual". Making him out to be some evil demonic entity and telling everyone all kinds of insane gobbledygook instead of anything truly spiritual. So which would YOU believe, your own personal experience or any or all of the books of LIES they wrote about HIM???"

Irrelevant because I didn't.

 

[Trailblazer]

And yet this Bahá’u’lláh CLAIMED he had an experience from "god", that does not mean he had one, yet you blindly believe in the religion some men built upon his CLAIM.

So you are clearly not dealing with reality, as you have yet to provide any PROOF that he actually had one.

Why do you keep bringing Baha'u'llah into this?
THIS is about the alleged God experience YOU claimed YOU had.
Bringing Baha'u'llah into this is a Red Herring, redder than red.

You CLAIMED you had an experience from "God", but that does not mean you had one.

So you are clearly not dealing with reality, as you have yet to provide any PROOF that you actually had a God experience.

 

[Trailblazer]

That's how the Native Americans made up names. They waited until something unique happened/developed with a person, then named them upon that.

I used that technique with my current dog.

I named him Azarel, which means "Helped By God".

That is because after my last dog passed on, it took me many MONTHS to find another puppy. It took so long because even with the Internet to search, all the so called "rescues" were pilfering all the available dogs off of all the classified ads there, so they could re-sell them and make $$$. So I was getting discouraged. Then I just happened to come across a pure bred German Sheppard puppy ad in an obscure classified. And it was being offered for FREE! And it was within just a couple of miles from where I lived! The only catch was that he was diagnosed as having a grade 4 heart murmur. So I quickly looked up how serious that was, and how to care for a dog like that. It was doable, so I called the woman up and picked it up the very next day. And now to the reason I called him Azarel (Helped by God), was not only did I happen to go to that obscure classified ad site by luck on that day, but the woman was ready to give up finding a home for him THE VERY NEXT DAY, and "put him down", figuring nobody wanted him with his condition. So he was saved in the nick of time. Not only that, but he now has a dream life going out for long hikes in the woods most every day, having a BLAST!

Good for you! Most people would not take a dog with that condition. I know all about heart murmurs and heart disease in cats because I have lost so many to HCM, since it was passed down to them genetically.

A few weeks ago, I tried to adopt a Persian cat with a grade 3 heart murmur, but someone else got him before I could get to that shelter which was in a city 30 miles north of here.

I just lost a Persian cat who had poly-cystic kidney disease and a grade 3 heart murmur three weeks ago it was devastating because he had no symptoms till the last three days of his life. I am still in shock but I am coping thanks to God and Nova. I have NO doubt that God found Nova for me and that God found Azarel for you, and you for him. Nova was purchased as a breeder from the woman I bought him from and she paid $2500 but then she decided she was not going to breed cats after all, so I got him from her for only $200 on Craigslist, because she had to find a home for him quickly owing to a dire life situation she had. Before she bought him, he had been cooped up at the breeder's home in a small laundry room with lots of other cats so he came to me very skittish, but he is starting to settle down now, and it is only five days. I think he is very happy, he has peace and quiet here and a lot of love and a lot of company from my other nine Persians. The only problem is that he eats all their food, and they need it more than him. He also cries a lot which is unusual for a Persian cat, but I think he will be okay in due time.

 

[CG Didymus]

Book of God's Word 13:10
Jesus answered, “Ancient Soul is the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Ancient Soul.”.

No chance Ancient Soul, you have no proofs.

So you are clearly not dealing with reality, as you have yet to provide any PROOF that you actually had a God experience.

How can you say he has no proof? He quoted Jesus saying he is the way. Is he making it up and lying to us? Oh, but wait, can we trust everything that the followers of Jesus said about God and Jesus? They said they saw him alive and well after being killed and then that he rose into the sky and disappeared. But that ain't true is it. But Christians say it is. And what do they have as proof? There own writings, written by believers, that say that it is true and that those things really happened... and that there were many witnesses.

So some people say "sure" it is true, then what are they then committed to believe? That Jesus is the only way. That he came to die as a sacrifice for the sins of the people. That people can't do anything on their own to get their sins forgiven, and without Jesus, they would be sent to hell along with Satan and on and on. Most of which Baha'is say isn't true.

Yet, Baha'is say Jesus and the Bible are true? Wow... true about what? God spoke from heaven? No. Elijah and Jesus were taken up into heaven? No. Satan tempted Jesus? No. God walked in the garden with Adam and Eve? No. Moses parted the waters and God led the Hebrews through the desert as a pillar of smoke? No. Baha'is say none of this really happened. So, how different is that then saying the Bible is a book of fiction?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

How can you say he has no proof?

That is as plain as day CG, obviously a quandary for you, but not fo me.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Diversion away from the topic. It's not my problem if your browser doesn't show my avatar profile.

From your profile, and it is you that sets those permissions.

"This member limits who may view their full profile."

Self explanatory, I would say.

How can you say he has no proof? He quoted Jesus saying he is the way.

CG really, this is where all this discussion has taken you?

The day that God gives a Messenger the time to reveal themselves, it is a day that can not be hidden by any Messenger, as on that day, the day of Revelation, they are naught but the Will of God amongst man. The Sun has risen and shines on all people. One must be up and awake to watch the Sun rise.

I am actually tired of all these childish debate games, I would hope your are as well, but I guess all part of the quandary.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

That is as plain as day CG, obviously a quandary for you, but not for me.

As you said Tony "Messengers jump right into the Lions Den, so to speak."
That is part of the proof that they are not just blowing smoke.

As Baha'u'llah said: "Say: O brethren! Let deeds, not words, be your adorning".

As Jesus said: Matthew 7:16 “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”

 

[Trailblazer]

I am actually tired of all these childish debate games, I would hope your are as well,

I got tired of them long ago, and God has been nudging me in that direction.

There is a difference between a "true seeker" and someone who is just looking for debate or entertainment.
Not that I am God and I can know, but there are certain indications of a true seeker from the Tablet of the True Seeker...

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I got tired of them long ago, and God has been nudging me in that direction.

There is a difference between a "true seeker" and someone who is just looking for debate or entertainment.
Not that I am God and I can know, but there are certain indications of a true seeker from the Tablet of the True Seeker...

That is a favourite Tablet, but, well they are all my favourite be it from, the Bab, Bahaullah, Abdul'baha, Shoghi Effendi or the Universal House of Justice, as from all those sources I know God is offering me a way to change my own self into who Abdul'baha was. (Also past scriptures)

All the best trailblazer, it appears great change can not be that far away.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

That is a favourite Tablet, but, well they are all my favourite be it from, the Bab, Bahaullah, Abdul'baha, Shoghi Effendi or the Universal House of Justice, as from all those sources I know God is offering me a way to change my own self......

And in changing yourself, you have an effect upon others.

All the best trailblazer, it appears great change can not be that far away.

How far away the great change is only God knows...
It does not appear that those of our generation will see it from this world, but anything is possible.

Meanwhile, I just continue to struggle through the constant this world and not think too much about myself.

40: O MY SERVANT! Free thyself from the fetters of this world, and loose thy soul from the prison of self. Seize thy chance, for it will come to thee no more. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 36