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God, What is it?

1213

Well-Known Member
But what does this mean? This tells us practically nothing about god as a personage.
But love and spirit are insubstantial. What is it that would be observed?...

Also, gravity is insubstantial force, still some people believe it exists, even though they can’t see it directly. We can see it by its effect and I think the same is with God (Love). To understand what it means, I think it would be good to read the Bible and understand how God is shown in it.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Also, gravity is insubstantial force, still some people believe it exists, even though they can’t see it directly. We can see it by its effect and I think the same is with God (Love). To understand what it means, I think it would be good to read the Bible and understand how God is shown in it.
But they don't personify it, they don't impute intention or conscious activity to gravity.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Those cultures with a different concept of The Sacred have terms for it other than God or cognates thereof. Hinduism, for example, has both gods and the abstract, intangible concept of Brahman

The OP specifies God, specifying a powerful supernatural personage.

Here is the OP:

What is god? how is it observed? realized? is it necessarily a who? is it limited to space? time?

It doesn't appear limited to anthropomorphic gods.

Let me illustrate one of the paths that led me to this concept of God.

In college, my belief in God was seriously upset by a philosophy professor who was very good at breaking down religious assumptions. I spent a good portion of a semester in an existential malaise. But, I managed to use my new ways of thinking and expanding interest in mysticism to redefine God. As follows:

-"God" can be defined as omnipotent, omnipresent, and a creating and destroying being with consciousness.

-To be omnipotent and omnipresent, a being would have to be the Universe itself.

-Since life forms are conscious, and are inextricably a part of this Universe, this makes the Universe conscious. Looked at as a whole, the Universe may as well be God.

Another way:

-People interpret God differently, even in the same religion. Some see God as all good and wondrous, others see a mix of good and evil and both beautiful and terrible. Or forgiving. Or vengeful.

-How a person sees God is a reflection of their own personality and how they view the world.

-Therefore, God becomes a mirror, reflecting the relationship of the individual to the Universe.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
I think they show the same God. The same God is merciful and loving, but doesn’t allow evil to continued forever, which I think is good and loving.

Tell that to the thousands, if not millions, of innocent folks who Yahweh killed or commanded to kill in the OT alone.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
What does that mean?
as Moses was about to return to his people
tablets of law in cradle of his arm....he thought to ask

What Name shall I say to them?
they will want to know Whose law this is?

God replied......say to the people
I AM!
and they with understanding will know Whose law this is
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
"God has made different religions to suit different aspirants, times, and countries. All doctrines are only so many paths; but a path is by no means God himself. Indeed, one can reach God if one follows any of the paths with whole-hearted devotion...One may eat a cake with icing either straight or sidewise. It will taste sweet either way." (Ramakrishna)
I do like that.....but

I wonder if I will be allowed to the Table and break bread
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
as Moses was about to return to his people
tablets of law in cradle of his arm....he thought to ask

What Name shall I say to them?
they will want to know Whose law this is?

God replied......say to the people
I AM!
and they with understanding will know Whose law this is

What does that all mean?
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
A word for something is not the thing. Unicorns dont exist

God is not a thing. Why do atheists insist on defining God in a particular way. Things have boundaries. Every major religion defines God as not having boundaries or limitations. God is both immanence and transcendence at the same time. God is both knowable and unknowable at the same time. God is NOT a thing.

Just because you use a toilet everyday does not make you a master plumber. God is a word that does not have a simple definition. It is not a word you can understand after a few days of Sunday school as a child. God is more than just your simple way of thinking about God. People spend their whole lives studying divinity and mythology. There's actually quite a lot written on the subject.

Consider the following idea for God:

"Dionysius describes the kataphatic or affirmative way to the divine as the "way of speech": that we can come to some understanding of the Transcendent by attributing all the perfections of the created order to God as its source. In this sense, we can say "God is Love", "God is Beauty", "God is Good". The apophatic or negative way stresses God's absolute transcendence and unknowability in such a way that we cannot say anything about the divine essence because God is so totally beyond being. The dual concept of the immanence and transcendence of God can help us to understand the simultaneous truth of both "ways" to God: at the same time as God is immanent, God is also transcendent. At the same time as God is knowable, God is also unknowable. God cannot be thought of as one or the other only."

Apophatic theology - Wikipedia

In the spirit of Apophatic theology, God is NOT a thing. God is word that is a representation of an idea.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
I was paraphrasing scripture …..to be concise

and apparently......you are one of the many that don't understand

You could argue nobody is capable of reading scripture and interpreting it in the divine way in which is was written. It is the nature of human language to be imprecise and ambiguous. The Bible may be the word of God but nobody is capable of reading it as such unless you are the second coming of Jesus.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I was paraphrasing scripture …..to be concise

and apparently......you are one of the many that don't understand

It's not my "native" language. Unless it's direct rather than abstract, poetic, I won't understand it. I'm not sure why God needs to have mystic language especially eastern mysticism.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
You could argue nobody is capable of reading scripture and interpreting it in the divine way in which is was written
but I would not

maybe you can see?......my plea of ignorance is gone

and anyone daring to quote me.....
heaven then is sure.....you have heard such things

they will ask......who told you that?
why did you agree?
(and even if you don't)

they will deal with you for having agreed
or denied

and then....they come looking for me
maybe with swords drawn
 
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