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What is the difference between using the bible being an physical idol and using the physical bible as the word of god?
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What is the difference between using the bible being an physical idol and using the physical bible as the word of god?
The difference is between "bibliolatry" and "bibliopaedia".
Bibliolatry is a construct of two Greek words: -λατρία -latria, "worship" [cf. Bibliolatry - Wikipedia].
Bibliopaedia [NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH "Bibliopedia", which is a name that refers to a computerized "provides a platform for organizing, visualizing, sharing, and searching archives without the need for scholars to become experts in metadata or data visualization. It transforms materials into visualized networks to provide new insights into their structure and context. Bibliopedia allows scholars to collaborate on the elaboration and improvement of these materials, is useful for active research, and serves as a gateway to long-term preservation and dissemination. Bibliopedia’s main technical innovation is the melding of the needs of researchers with those of librarians and technologists through open source software, standardized yet flexible metadata descriptions, and existing and emerging technologies that include Linked Open Data and data visualizations. Bibliopedia ensures that research and cultural heritage materials are available to the widest possible audiences, for long-term preservation, and for creative combinations with other resources. [cf. Bibliopedia]
Bibliopaedia may be my own personal construct, from two Greek words: βιβλίον biblion, "book" and the suffix παιδεία, -paedia, meaning "education, rearing of a child".
- Bibliolatry, IMO, is most common among Christians, with the other Abrahamic faith communities running close second runners-up. However, I think it's important to point out that that claim is based on my ignorance of all other communities whose organizational structure is founded on, rooted in, or based on a physical text (scripture).
- Bibliolatry typically assumes complete, or near-complete, scriptural literality and "inerrancy". Proponents of bibliolatry typically maintain a "stenographic revelation" view of their scripture, whereas proponents of bibliopaedia, within a given faith community typically maintain a "participatory revelation" view of their scripture. Proponents of bibliopedia outside of a given faith community are generally heathen and don't believe in revelations, stenographic or participatory.
I think there's a big difference. The Bible isn't enshrined nor are offerings made to it. It's not prayed to or thought of as a deity able to answer prayers or give blessings. I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now.
It's the "word of God". While cultural ways of worship vary, I'd see the intention is not.
For example, I don't worship my deceased family. I give them food on special days, converse,things like that. One culture would say that's worship, most cultures would not.
It really depends. In the States the physical Bible is like gold. I'm not sure if people can have relationship with God without it. Weirdly, same as Baha'i so far I found out. Muslim, maybe. They do have special awareness of the Quran. I'm not sure which considers their books idols but US?
I can't tell the difference.
Gotcha. Come to think of it, my Italian-American Catholic family had a family Bible that was sort of cherished. Of course that could be because my brother was in the US Navy, bought it overseas (rather expensive at the time, I might add), and shipped it to my parents c.o.d.
What?
Re: using the bible being a physical idol.What is the difference between:
- using the bible being an physical idol and
- using the physical bible as the word of god?
Ignore my previous post.
Re: using the bible being a physical idol.
- Bibliolatry - Wikipedia -
- "Bibliolatry ... is the worship of a book, idolatrous homage to a book, or the deifying of a book."
- Nobody I know uses the bible as :a physical idol. However, ...
- In Christianity, bibliolatry can also be used
- to describe extreme devotion to the Bible or
- to refer to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy.
- Biblical inerrancy is the belief that the Bible
- "is without error or fault in all its teaching"; or,
- at least, that "Scripture in the original manuscripts does not affirm anything that is contrary to fact".
- Some equate inerrancy with biblical infallibility, others do not.
- "as a pejorative label for the perceived practices of ... groups ... to whom the term is most often applied, [that is, to] Protestants of a fundamentalist and evangelical ... background who espouse biblical inerrancy and sola scriptura, ...i.e. scripture is the only divine authority."
- Bibliolatry, as a pejorative label and insult, is often applied to Christians by Christians. However, it can be applied to any faith community that believes its scriptures were given by God or a divine authority. For example, it could be applied to Muslims and their view of the Qur'an or to the Baha'is and their view of the Baha'u'llah's writings.
an idol is something you think is actually god, and you would worship it (which is more than giving it devotion). I don't know anyone who treats their Bible as God.What is the difference between using the bible being an physical idol and using the physical bible as the word of god?
an idol is something you think is actually god, and you would worship it (which is more than giving it devotion). I don't know anyone who treats their Bible as God.
There are Christians who get confused by the label "word," because it is used in different contexts, but this minority of Christians use them interchangeably. On one hand it gets used to denote the scriptures. On the other hand, in John 1 it gets used to denote the essence of the pre-existent part of God which became incarnate later (whatever that essence might be). These are two very different definitions, and can't be conflated, meaning that this subset of Christians are quite confused.They do the word of god. Since the Word is god, and they treat the bible as coming directly from/as his word, without the bible, they don't know what the Word says. Thereby, it's hard to worship god or christ when you don't know what his Word says.
I won't speak to worshiping Christ, as I am a Jew, and believe that worshiping a man is a very big mistake.
There are Christians who get confused by the label "word," because it is used in different contexts, but this minority of Christians use them interchangeably. On one hand it gets used to denote the scriptures. On the other hand, in John 1 it gets used to denote the essence of the pre-existent part of God which became incarnate later (whatever that essence might be). These are two very different definitions, and can't be conflated, meaning that this subset of Christians are quite confused.
MOST Christians, however, are not confused by this. For them the word of God aka the scriptures, are separate from Logos the pre-incarnate essence. Thus for them there is no belief that the scriptures are God.
I won't speak to worshiping Christ, as I am a Jew, and believe that worshiping a man is a very big mistake. However, I do believe in worshiping God, and I have found that most people are unfamiliar with the sacred texts, yet believe in God, and many worship him in their own way just fine.
Actually we Jews do bow at the waist to the Torah at a certain point when the Ark is open. It is still not the same sort of worship that we give to God alone. That's a just FYI.They don't bow down to scripture. It's the only way they know what god says. It's not just christians. The scripture literally is the Word (play on words-dictations) "of" god.
It apparently depends on the Christian you ask. I believe you are the only Catholic I know of who insists you do not worship Jesus. Unless I'm mistaken, we've had this discussion before.Just to clarify a point, Christians offer worship to God, through, in the name of, Christ, it is not a worship of Christ.
Actually we Jews do bow at the waist to the Torah at a certain point when the Ark is open. It is still not the same sort of worship that we give to God alone. That's a just FYI.
When God spoke to Moses, it was God speaking directly.
When God "spoke" to the Prophets, it was only through visions and dreams... that's a lesser form of communication and subject to metaphorical interpretation. God did not "dictate" to the Prophets the way he dictated the laws to Moses.
As for the Writings, the rest of the Tanakh, they are merely written by men but inspired by God. That's a much much lower level of communication--you might say it's more man, less God. They are certainly not dictated.
It apparently depends on the Christian you ask. I believe you are the only Catholic I know of who insists you do not worship Jesus. Unless I'm mistaken, we've had this discussion before.