Looks like Americans go against the war with Iran

[Stanyon]

You're the white nationalism supporter, not me.

There is no basis for your assertion

 

[Stanyon]

Wow.....it took a full 5 pages before this thread went all Jewzi.
(That's when it's Nazis vs Jews.)

I tried to use WWII Japan in another one because the Nazi thing is sooo 2019 and it's unfair to Germans. Besides with Nordstream 2 Russia will be all up in their business.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There is no basis for your assertion

Lie to yourself all you please. I've seen enough from you to know otherwise.

 

[Stanyon]

Lie to yourself all you please. I've seen enough from you to know otherwise.

Any examples? Let us weigh the evidence

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Any examples? Let us weigh the evidence

I'm not digging through your post history. I know your game well enough by now.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You mean America? Yes, people are tired of this violent part of the world and wish to put an end to it. What a stupid post.

What's actually stupid is letting the middle East continue on with their ideology of conquest and religious intolerance on those who don't share their view and then painting them as misunderstood harmless puppy dogs.

They're not.

 

[dianaiad]

Does this mean prevent it all costs?
In the most brutal & assured manner possible?

Yes. Consider; if an action that takes 1000 lives prevents the loss of 10,000, that's what it means.

You say Iran wants war, but on what basis?

I don't understand the basis. It could be religious. It could be lust for power on the part of the leaders...either keeping it or gaining it. All I understand is that they DO want war. Or rather, they want the ability to destroy Israel and anybody else they don't like. Their leaders have SAID so. For instance, Khamenei (you know who he is, right?) said this: #Israel is a malignant cancerous tumor in the West Asian region that has to be removed and eradicated: it is possible and it will happen.”

Politicians here will perceive political benefit.

Like what?

It didn't actually prove what you claim.

You're wrong.
We've almost gone to war with the USSR accidentally several times.
(I've provided links in other posts. If anyone doubts it, just ask, & I'll search again.)
To create systems & a climate wherein global thermonuclear warfare can happen
without even intending it is indeed insane.

'almost gone to war accidentally' means we DID NOT GO TO WAR, "close" only counts in horseshoes. One either uses a nuclear weapon or one does not. "almost" means you do not.

What basis is there for your certainty?

See above quote. Took me, quite literally, five seconds to find on google, and if I were to search longer, I'd find a bunch more.

The above tweet from Khamenei is scarey not only for what it actually states, but because it was made as a sort of retraction/apology for a previous quote where his political opponents thought that he was going soft on Israel, advocating a consortium of people from Palestine, Iran, Iraq and others 'who were here before Israel was established, He specifically omitted inviting the Jews to join said consortium...and he still got in trouble.

What the heck more do you want?

And if we should conquer every dangerous country with nukes,
should this include N Korea, Pakistan, Israel, & Russia?

Evidence?

My dear debate opponent, I am not advocating OUR use of nukes. I believe I made that quite clear. In fact, I said that since we are the only ones who have actually used them, we aren't going to use them again unless the circumstances are incredibly dire. I imagine that would be...if Iran sent a nuke over here and got one of our cities, we MIGHT use one on them, but even then, probably not. We don't need to. I have also stated, quite clearly, that we don't need to nuke anybody. The goal is to prevent THEM, when they have stated very clearly that they would use them if they had them, to get them.

As for N.Korea, he's imploding quite sufficiently without our interference. N.Korea is going to cost us a bloody fortune, but not in weapons. WE are going to be putting that nation back together after it finally destroys itself. Why? Because we've always done that. Because that's what we do.

Pakistan? I think India is handling their nuclear threat OK without us., and I'm not especially thrilled about either one of THEM having nukes...but they do.

Israel...the only reason anybody considers them dangerous is because they object to the notion that their neighbors want to destroy them simply because they exist.

Russia?

I've already addressed Russia.

Again...'almost' means 'didn't.'

If you shoot at me and I'm still standing, without any holes in me, afterwards, it doesn't matter how close you came. You didn't shoot me.

 

[Father Heathen]

They put them on themselves without even realizing it, rehashing the old Jewish "puppet master " trope because Israel dared to applaud Trump. We live in some very sick.times indeed

They're not the borg. A government doesn't represent an entire race and/or religion. People need to stop playing that pathetic card.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What's actually stupid is letting the middle East continue on with their ideology of conquest and religious intolerance on those who don't share their view and then painting them as harmless puppy dogs.

They're not.

And who is the biggest source of this Islamic fanaticism and intolerance in the world today? The Saudis, our "allies". It's not them we're trying to get into a war with, so you make no sense.

And America is an empire so your comment about "conquest" is totally disingenuous.

 

[dianaiad]

Iran has nothing to do with 9/11. It was mostly Saudis behind it and most Islamic terrorism is propagated by Saudis.

So?

it is Khamenei who says that Israel is a malignant cancerous tumor in the West Asian region that has to be removed and eradicated; it is possible and it will happen. that's Iran.

I included the 'flying planes into buildings' because that's the mindset of the governments there. Not just the Saudis, most of whom want nothing to do with this, but Iran, Syria,..name one.

 

[dianaiad]

And who is the biggest source of this Islamic fanaticism and intolerance in the world today? The Saudis, our "allies". It's not them we're trying to get into a war with, so you make no sense.

And America is an empire so your comment about "conquest" is totally disingenuous.

America is an empire?

Great googly moogly.

 

[Father Heathen]

What's actually stupid is letting the middle East continue on with their ideology of conquest and religious intolerance on those who don't share their view and then painting them as misunderstood harmless puppy dogs.

They're not.

Nobody's actually doing that, but keep pummeling your straw man.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So?

it is Khamenei who says that Israel is a malignant cancerous tumor in the West Asian region that has to be removed and eradicated; it is possible and it will happen. that's Iran.

I included the 'flying planes into buildings' because that's the mindset of the governments there. Not just the Saudis, most of whom want nothing to do with this, but Iran, Syria,..name one.

I don't care what he says about Israel. We're not here to protect Israel. It's just bluster, anyway. The fact is that the Saudis are at the root of this violent jihadi plague but you neocons want to blow away the Iranians and bail out the Saudis all the time for some bizarre reason.

 

[dianaiad]

Bomb with "faith, hope, and love"?

If one is bombing, 'faith, hope and love' generally have nothing to do with it. I don't know where you got that one. But if we bomb someone, it's not because we love them. We MIGHT do it in the faith and hope that it will stop them from doing something else heinous.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

America is an empire?

Great googly moogly.

We have invaded, toppled sovereign governments to remake them in a fashion more amenable to our desires, occupied countries and have military bases all around the world. Yes, we are an empire.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And who is the biggest source of this Islamic fanaticism and intolerance in the world today? The Saudis, our "allies". It's not them we're trying to get into a war with, so you make no sense.

And America is an empire so your comment about "conquest" is totally disingenuous.

Oh I agree. The Saudis hate our guts. Our relationship is strictly material.

I don't think the US is bent on conquest as we would have claimed additional territory for ourselves by now. I would have preferred we maintain a defensive posture but that's not possible anymore since the first Iraq war.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Nobody's actually doing that, but keep pummeling your straw man.

That's good. Let's continue pummeling the bad guys then.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If one is bombing, 'faith, hope and love' generally have nothing to do with it. I don't know where you got that one. But if we bomb someone, it's not because we love them. We MIGHT do it in the faith and hope that it will stop them from doing something else heinous.

He's pointing out the glaring disconnect between your avatar and your warmongering words.

 

[dianaiad]

Very Christian of you... Easy to spew such words when it's not you on the other side of the bombs. I've long believed that America deserves to have bombs dropped on it for what it has done to peoples around the world and disgusting stances as I see in this thread and elsewhere. What goes around comes around. Our lives are not worth more than anyone else's. If I'm one of the victims, so be it. I hate this bloodthristy, willfully ignorant country.

I hope you don't live in 'this bloodthirsty, willfully ignorant country."

And if you don't, and you don't want to BE bombed, I suggest that you and yours don't bomb anybody else first.

You don't like us. I'm sorry about that. There are a few countries I don't like, either. However, I don't think that any of our citizens have strapped bombs on our backs and blown up other nation's day care centers because we didn't like their religion.

I don't see American courts beheading people because they wanted to convert away from the 'proper' religion, either.

But I'll tell you what: you and your neighbors don't threaten to bomb, knife or kill anybody, and we wont l bomb, knife or kill you.

I'm really sorry if you live too close to someone who DOES threaten to do this, mind you. I suggest, in that case, you move.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Oh I agree. The Saudis hate our guts. Our relationship is strictly material.

I don't think the US is bent on conquest as we would have claimed additional territory for ourselves by now. I would have preferred we maintain a defensive posture but that's not possible anymore since the first Iraq war.

It makes more financial sense for the corporate whores who are running the country into the ground to force countries to open themselves up for exploitation by American businesses than to annex more territory and more dependents. It's a modified form of colonialism.