What is it with Radical Muslims and beheadings?

[ChristineM]

The context on "what kind" was in asking if it's: good, bad, toxic, evil, etc. I wasn't asking for a comprehensive list of other kind(s) of religions.

Yes, Christianity has stoning, i think that is kind of bad. It was in no way a comprehensive list, it was a single item in response to your question

 

[sun rise]

A molotov cocktail is not a "bomb".

Gnats and camels alert.

 

[sun rise]

I don't think the actions of a few qualifies as a "terrorist group".

Gnats and camels here - hair splitting over the definition of a "group".

 

[sun rise]

But it is terrorism, and based on Christian ideology. Given the existence of other Christian terrorist groups (posted elsewhere in the thread), it is safe to assume that Christian ideology isn't immune from the human tendency to use violence as a way to control others.

This is a human problem not specific to one religion.

True. Even Buddhists have a terrorist problem as well as state-sponsored violence.

 

[Cooky]

What's wrong with what is in the Bible?

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

But to live that out fundamentally, as a society for example, would mean no police force and no military. It would put that society at great risk of takeover by outsiders who think differently.

 

[Cooky]

Yes, Christianity has stoning, i think that is kind of bad. It was in no way a comprehensive list, it was a single item in response to your question

We're not talking about Christianity though. So that's off topic big time.

 

[shivsomashekhar]

The US uses lethal injection, hanging and electrocution;

The US engages in religious killings?

if not, it is apples and oranges.

 

[Cooky]

Gnats and camels alert.

Arson is morally = to beheadings?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Going through an old harddrive and found this today. Seems relevant.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Do you hate all religious people who commit heinous violence? Or just Muslims?

Or how about people who commit heinous violence for non-religious reasons?

Just Muslims.

 

[Cooky]

The US engages in religious killings?

if not, it is apples and oranges.

Exactly! More Tu quoque.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I I think Islamic beheadings are possibly the worst of the worst...

Then you are extremely sheltered.

 

[dianaiad]

And they never mention how Jews and Christians had to go through the same trials they are defending Islam from. Civility doesn't come from protecting barbarism. It comes from EXPOSING barbarism.

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Uhm, Landon, you and I agree on quite a few things...but not on this one. The Jews (I don't remember that 'beheading' was any sort of specific commandment, mind you) in the OT attacked and murdered quite a few people because they believed that God told them to.

The Bible doesn't say anything at all about beheading. Stoning, though...yeah. There's also that 'thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" bit. Both Jews and Christians have been, when they had the political power to pull it off, pretty murderous. the problem wasn't the religions, though...the problem was with the people who wanted power and control who took those religions and used them as excuses.

As far as I can tell, there are only two references to what could be 'beheading' in the Quran, where 'striking the necks' is mentioned. Both are in terms of battle. Beheading, however, is a classical form of execution in Islamic law.

You ARE aware that the guillotine was considered to be an advance in execution practice; quick, efficient, and virtually painless for the victim, yes?

We don't know about that last part, of course, since we can't ask anybody who's been beheaded.

My objection was the tu quoque idea expressed; just because the Jews may have (they didn't, so much) and the Christians did...absolutely they did, and worse...that this is an argument AGAINST modern people criticizing the muslims for doing it now.

"you used to, so I can" is never a really good argument.

But then I'm against the death penalty in general anyway. I especially am against the death penalty...or any legal punishment, for religious disagreement.

(sigh...now I have everybody mad at me...)

 

[Father Heathen]

All if the major abrahamic faiths have blood-soaked books, histories, etc.
The difference today is that the violence largely originates from the 3rd world. Religious radicalism thrives where people are culturally isolated, empoverished, and uneducated.

 

[dianaiad]

My point was against the comment by @Landon Caeli stating "What kind of religion makes rules for killing?"

No, its not just fine but Islam is not the only guilty religion

It is at the moment. Hopefully most other religions have learned better. Or if not, at least they don't have the political power to pull it off.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

All if the major abrahamic faiths have blood-soaked books, histories, etc.
The difference today is that the violence largely originates from the 3rd world. Religious radicalism thrives where people are culturally isolated, empoverished, and uneducated.

And facing overwhelming military forces. Guess what? When you get the same situation among Christians, you get radicalised Christians. IRA and ETA, for example. Of course, we're not meant to mention such groups in this discussion, because they're incredibly inconvenient to the "Muslims bad" narrative reasons.

 

[Salvador]

The US uses lethal injection, hanging and electrocution;

Billy Bailey was the last capital offense perpetrator who was executed by hanging in the U.S., this happened over 23 years ago; our American society is now too civilized to snap anybody's neck.

 

[Cooky]

Uhm, Landon, you and I agree on quite a few things...but not on this one. The Jews (I don't remember that 'beheading' was any sort of specific commandment, mind you) in the OT attacked and murdered quite a few people because they believed that God told them to.

The Bible doesn't say anything at all about beheading. Stoning, though...yeah. There's also that 'thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" bit. Both Jews and Christians have been, when they had the political power to pull it off, pretty murderous. the problem wasn't the religions, though...the problem was with the people who wanted power and control who took those religions and used them as excuses.

As far as I can tell, there are only two references to what could be 'beheading' in the Quran, where 'striking the necks' is mentioned. Both are in terms of battle. Beheading, however, is a classical form of execution in Islamic law.

You ARE aware that the guillotine was considered to be an advance in execution practice; quick, efficient, and virtually painless for the victim, yes?

We don't know about that last part, of course, since we can't ask anybody who's been beheaded.

My objection was the tu quoque idea expressed; just because the Jews may have (they didn't, so much) and the Christians did...absolutely they did, and worse...that this is an argument AGAINST modern people criticizing the muslims for doing it now.

"you used to, so I can" is never a really good argument.

But then I'm against the death penalty in general anyway. I especially am against the death penalty...or any legal punishment, for religious disagreement.

(sigh...now I have everybody mad at me...)

My point was more along highlighting the Enlightenment Period, where the Church went through some changes...

...Surely those who have a problem pointing a finger at Islam today, wouldn't hesitate on pointing the finger at the Church in those days.

That was what I was trying to get at, I guess I should have made myself more clear.

Judaism has gone through similar transitions over time -nobody would call pointing out their flaws "bad" either.

(sigh...now I have everybody mad at me...)

Nah...

 

[ChristineM]

It is at the moment. Hopefully most other religions have learned better. Or if not, at least they don't have the political power to pull it off.

Maybe Islam will learn in another few hundred years, hopefully sooner

 

[columbus]

Billy Bailey was the last capital offense perpetrator who was executed by hanging in the U.S., this happened over 23 years ago; our American society is now too civilized to snap anybody's neck.

So,
instead we shoot them up with "not quite lethal" drugs.
How civilized
Tom