Science and the Bible?

[Alone]

Well I was just joking really. I usually double check what I wrote, to make sure I am hearing what I wrote. That's one way to sync your thoughts with your words.
We can't do anything about how persons read it though, and yes, that can be a challenge.

sorry if I made you think that I was saying you said something you didn't mean to, that was not my intent, I was merely thinking, or pointing out the fact that the two statements were not the same therefore what you said and what he said are at the minimum not the same, which is more like debate rather than a resolution? I guess debating could have positive outcomes, however I would think that it would take both parties being able to admit when they don't have substantial evidence or illogical theories? If that's even possible hey hey hey!

 

[nPeace]

Misuse of Gnosis. Example in Rom 1.

Romans 1 verse?
Doesn't context matter, where words in ancient language is concerned?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why do you believe that?
The world gnósis, means a knowing, or knowledge.
Isn't that what science means?

No. The knowledge part of science comes from applying the scientific method. And as I already posted that is much more recent. There is a very good reason that science is so well respected. It has earned that respect.

 

[nPeace]

sorry if I made you think that I was saying you said something you didn't mean to, that was not my intent, I was merely thinking, or pointing out the fact that the two statements were not the same therefore what you said and what he said are at the minimum not the same, which is more like debate rather than a resolution? I guess debating could have positive outcomes, however I would think that it would take both parties being able to admit when they don't have substantial evidence or illogical theories? If that's even possible hey hey hey!

You didn't do or say anything wrong. So no need to apologize.
Perhaps you misread what I was saying there. It was not about you at all.

 

[nPeace]

Do people have a good side? Does that mean that people are good?

We all have a good side, but no one is good.
The reason is, we all have attributes of God, but we are shaped by sin, which dominates our core being... if that make sense.

 

[Alone]

You didn't do or say anything wrong. So no need to apologize.
Perhaps you misread what I was saying there. It was not about you at all.

Well I guess that demonstrates my non comprehensive skills lol!

 

[nPeace]

No. The knowledge part of science comes from applying the scientific method. And as I already posted that is much more recent. There is a very good reason that science is so well respected. It has earned that respect.

Weren't the scriptures written before the scientific method? So if the use of the word referred to science in that time, then the word is used correctly, isn't it.
If someone believes it should be discarded, because the meaning of science has shifted to follow the scientific method...
The 21st century KJV also retains the word science.
One would have to complain to the translators, if they feel offended, I guess.

 

[Etritonakin]

Do people actually fall away just from discovering or studying various sciences? That seems fairly weak minded.

Actually, they do -if something they believe to be crucial is shown to be false. For example... The Earth is obviously not just thousands of years old, so the bible is false/incorrect.
I don't know if I'd call it weak-minded, but it can be lazy-minded -or something which a tired mind might do. Perhaps it was not really important enough in the first place to a person.
Who knows?
Throwing every associated idea out with one shown to be false is definitely a mistake, however.
When I realized the Earth was not thousands of years old, one of the first things I asked was whether the bible actually says that -re-read it with an open mind and careful consideration of the definitions in Hebrew, Greek, etc..
It does not, actually -not even in Genesis -and especially not in the context of all other scripture.
If you allow evidence and proof to motivate you to ask questions instead of making hasty conclusions, you can learn a great deal.

 

[Etritonakin]

1st Timothy 6
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Obviously the Bible is not against the word "science", that being said how does the Bible and science relate? And what does the scripture mean by saying science falsely so called:?

It's a bit like scientists being paid to support one conclusion or another for unscientific reasons today.
Many were opposed to them at the time -and actively -doing things to thwart them.
There is even mention in scripture of letters from apostles being falsified/counterfeited.

 

[Alone]

Actually, they do -if something they believe to be crucial is shown to be false. For example... The Earth is obviously not just thousands of years old, so the bible is false/incorrect.
I don't know if I'd call it weak-minded, but it can be lazy-minded -or something which a tired mind might do. Perhaps it was not really important enough in the first place to a person.
Who knows?
Throwing every associated idea out with one shown to be false is definitely a mistake, however.
When I realized the Earth was not thousands of years old, one of the first things I asked was whether the bible actually says that -re-read it with an open mind and careful consideration of the definitions in Hebrew, Greek, etc..
It does not, actually -not even in Genesis -and especially not in the context of all other scripture.
If you allow evidence and proof to motivate you to ask questions instead of making hasty conclusions, you can learn a great deal.

For me personally why do people think the Bible says the Earth is only 6000 years old, my understanding of reading the genealogy of Genesis the Earth is way older than 6000 years, and that's before the flood oh, for those who actually believe the flood, which I will say I don't discredit that account, even without proof. sometimes I wonder if we read all the other books so much and we really haven't read the Bible at all, and we just go by what other people say that the Bible says? if you sit down with a pen and a piece of paper and go to the genealogy of Genesis up to Noah that's a lot of years if somebody actually wants to sit down and do the math, and if that's the case then what?

 

[Alone]

That would be Genesis chapter 4, 5 and the early part of 6

 

[dfnj]

1st Timothy 6
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Obviously the Bible is not against the word "science", that being said how does the Bible and science relate? And what does the scripture mean by saying science falsely so called:?

I all I know is science has convinced me ritual animal sacrifices does not buy any favors with God.

 

[Alone]

I all I know is science has convinced me ritual animal sacrifices does not buy any favors with God.

Well according to the Bible you are right it only mattered in the old testament but not the new if my understanding is correct that is.

 

[leov]

Romans 1 verse?
Doesn't context matter, where words in ancient language is concerned?

"21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened"

 

[nPeace]

Actually, they do -if something they believe to be crucial is shown to be false. For example... The Earth is obviously not just thousands of years old, so the bible is false/incorrect.
I don't know if I'd call it weak-minded, but it can be lazy-minded -or something which a tired mind might do. Perhaps it was not really important enough in the first place to a person.
Who knows?
Throwing every associated idea out with one shown to be false is definitely a mistake, however.
When I realized the Earth was not thousands of years old, one of the first things I asked was whether the bible actually says that -re-read it with an open mind and careful consideration of the definitions in Hebrew, Greek, etc..
It does not, actually -not even in Genesis -and especially not in the context of all other scripture.
If you allow evidence and proof to motivate you to ask questions instead of making hasty conclusions, you can learn a great deal.

Very good. What more can I say.

 

[nPeace]

"21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened"

A different word is used there.
ginóskó: to come to know, recognize, perceive

Nevertheless, context matters. See Strong's.
The same word can be used to convey different thoughts.

 

[leov]

A different word is used there.
ginóskó: to come to know, recognize, perceive

Nevertheless, context matters. See Strong's.
The same word can be used to convey different thoughts.

1 Timothy 6:20 Lexicon: O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge "--
it is the same sense, intent may be different. "So called"...

 

[Alone]

1 Timothy 6:20 Lexicon: O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge "--
it is the same sense, intent may be different. "So called"...

Proverbs 9
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Job 28
28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

If science is defined by knowledge and understanding, then these two verses would indicate that science is to depart from evil?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Weren't the scriptures written before the scientific method? So if the use of the word referred to science in that time, then the word is used correctly, isn't it.
If someone believes it should be discarded, because the meaning of science has shifted to follow the scientific method...
The 21st century KJV also retains the word science.
One would have to complain to the translators, if they feel offended, I guess.

Correct, they were written a long time before that. And Bible interpreters are usually not very educated about the sciences. They chose a poor term. Perhaps that is because too many of them are science deniers. I did not say that it should be discarded. A better interpretation should be found. Look at all of the Christian sects and cults that are filled with science deniers. You would think that they would have learned from the Catholic Church and Galileo.

 

[leov]

Proverbs 9
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Job 28
28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

If science is defined by knowledge and understanding, then these two verses would indicate that science is to depart from evil?

'Gnosis' here related specifically as knowledge of God/spiritual world.