Was Jesus Gay?

[THE Art Vandelay]

He quoted one for you. None are so blind as those that will not see.

No, he didn't. None are so blind as those who claim to see something that isn't there.

 

[Salvador]

That, in itself, makes the Bible a worthless tome for the very vast majority of Christians, wouldn't you say? If you can't understand the Bible without knowledge of ancient Hebrew and classical Greek, then almost nobody has any hope of understanding the Bible at all.

Perhaps we could agree the Bible is somewhat meaningless and useless to those who lack a proper understanding of the language that the Bible's original text had been written.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your failure is your inability to post anything even slightly resembling a contradiction. The fact that you can't even see it, is an even bigger failure for you. So you can take your obnoxiousness elsewhere.

We can all see that you do not understand your own Bible. Denial is a defensive trait.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Later at the crucifixion, Jesus tells his mother, "Woman, here is your son", and to the Beloved Disciple he says, "Here is your mother."[Jn 19:26-27]
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

What are the implications of that notion in particular. If this beloved disciple gains a new mother in Mary, what does that mean? Does it mean that she is now his mother in law possibly? How else would people interpret this idea of making your mother a mother of your relation in the ancient world? And I thought that this disciple didn't have a 'home,' that he would have been a nomad following Christ around.

 

[lukethethird]

Homosexuality is all choice. Always has been, always will be.

What choice have you made lately?

 

[wandering peacefully]

Not that there's anything wrong with being gay, but the possibility seems to be entirely ignored when it comes to portraying Jesus. I say, let him out of the closet..

Jesus was most likely gay. Just like a lot of the men then and now. So what? Can't Jesus love others who are gay like he is? Of course he could. And he did and does. Yay Jesus.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Jesus was a Jew, living under the same Law that the nation of Israel did during his time on earth. That Law expressly forbade homosexuality to the point that it carried the death penalty for those who engaged in it. Jesus died as a perfect, sinless man. So no, he wasn't gay. Jesus' love for his disciples and apostles had nothing to do with romantic feelings. It was a love that good friends have for one another, a close bond. That's it.

You know, a thing is though, wouldn't all these young men be obliged to marry and not go roving about together in ancient Jewish culture, which surely was closer to the Orthodox brand, where there are arranged marriages and you probably don't go camping around the country away from your wife much. Is there a Jewish person here who can clarify this?

The only people who came close to acting in this male-centered manner during that time were probably the Essenes, and weren't they seen as radicals

 

[Salvador]

Jesus was most likely gay. Just like a lot of the men then and now. So what? Can't Jesus love others who are gay like he is? Of course he could. And he did and does. Yay Jesus.

"Jesus loves you" has a different meaning in Mexico.

 

[wandering peacefully]

"Jesus loves you" has a different meaning in Mexico.

Is that a selfie?

 

[Salvador]

Is that a selfie?

Nope, I thought that might've been your picture. ...

 

[Subduction Zone]

So is being so blatant in your lying.

Where have I lied? You were given a contradiction you could not see it.

 

[Skwim]

Perhaps we can agree that only those who understand ancient Greek and Hebrew are capable of understanding the precise meaning of the Bible's original text, the "average Joe" is too much of a simpleton and is simply too poorly educated to study the precise meaning of the Bible's original text.

Agreed.

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[Skwim]

What are the implications of that notion in particular. If this beloved disciple gains a new mother in Mary, what does that mean? Does it mean that she is now his mother in law possibly? How else would people interpret this idea of making your mother a mother of your relation in the ancient world? And I thought that this disciple didn't have a 'home,' that he would have been a nomad following Christ around.

Perhaps there's an implication in the verses, but I don't see it.

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[Polymath257]

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1. Personal Comments About Members and Staff
Personal attacks and name-calling, whether direct or in the third person, are strictly prohibited on the forums. Critique each other's ideas all you want, but under no circumstances personally attack each other or the staff. Quoting a member's post in a separate/new thread without their permission to challenge or belittle them, or harassing staff members for performing moderation duties, will also be considered a personal attack.

 

[Father Heathen]

You don't have the guts to say that to @Father Heathen, who said something just the same right before the post you responded to.

I know that my post was childish and almost worthless (it did help to alleviate the boredom you said was RF induced)
Jesus was fabulous, though. You should read about him sometime.

 

[Father Heathen]

God decides these things and lets us know. People decide to reject it and reject him. Shameful.

What's shameful is believing that ancient, primitive cultures actually spoke on god's behalf.

 

[Sand Dancer]

No, the people who wrote the Bible did that. Muslims, likewise, contend that their book is "the word of God, spoken to Mohammed." The Bible doesn't actually make that claim, but so many Christians accept the idea. But in any case, in both books, the imperfections, errors and contradictions make it abundantly clear that these are the imperfect work of mortals like you and me.

These folks somehow think that their unproven beliefs are stone cold fact. It's insidious how conservative religion brainwashes folks.

 

[Sand Dancer]

That's all a matter of your uneducated opinion.

No, not my opinion.
The most and least educated U.S. religious groups

 

[viole]

You blasphemer! Repent! He was married to Mary Magdalene!

Ted Haggard was also married to a woman. So was Elton John.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Where I come from gays are proud and I say all the power to them.

i am not sure how it is relevant, since I addressed the existence of homophobic Christians.

Ciao

- viole