Was Jesus Gay?

[Sand Dancer]

And any competent psychologist will agree that it is only choice, nothing more. Just because it's your choice, doesn't mean it isn't choice for others too.

So not true. Why are you so offended by humans being human?

 

[Sand Dancer]

God decides these things and lets us know. People decide to reject it and reject him. Shameful.

Everyone rejects someone else's gods.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I agree. But what about that God banning homosexuality?

These folks don't know the context of the times and Hebrew and Greek societal norms.

 

[Sand Dancer]

ROFL. Your opinion on the matter doesn't supercede God's, and neither does the APA's.

Please say you are kidding. How old are you?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Apparently older than you, hon.

You definitely sound like an elderly religious person. They tend to be uber conservative and not well educated. Posts like yours are why people are leaving Christianity. I will never go back to "orthodox" Christianity.

 

[Sand Dancer]

And why are you so unoffended by the things God calls offensive?

Because different gods say different things. They are not binding on anyone who doesn't believe in them. Or are Allah's laws binding on you?

 

[Skwim]

Good, so we've established now that you can't read. I'm NOT the one who brought up psychiatry. I responded to someone else who brought it up. Weak try on your part.

But you're still running. .............................................W.Which is what counts.

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[THE Art Vandelay]

You definitely sound like an elderly religious person. They tend to be uber conservative and not well educated. Posts like yours are why people are leaving Christianity. I will never go back to "orthodox" Christianity.

Elderly? Not by a long shot. It's comments like yours that show the not well educated should refrain from speaking on topics they know nothing about it. Posts like yours are why people are staying with Christianity.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You definitely sound like an elderly religious person. They tend to be uber conservative and not well educated. Posts like yours are why people are leaving Christianity. I will never go back to "orthodox" Christianity.

The funny thing is my Christianity is more orthodox than the fundie Evangelicals who obsess over abortion and homosexuality to a pathological extent. I was a very devout conservative Catholic for a long time and that's mostly stayed with me. I believe in the Trinity, the Nicene Creed, the Sacraments, monasticism, etc. All very ancient stuff. The rigid black and white teachings on sexuality just make no logical sense to my God-given conscience so I disagree on those.

But I apparently worship Satan so what do I know.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Elderly? Not by a long shot. It's comments like yours that show the not well educated should refrain from speaking on topics they know nothing about it. Posts like yours are why people are staying with Christianity.

Conservative Christians tend to have lower than average levels of education. Progressive Christians tend to have higher than average levels of education. I'll go with the educated.

 

[Sand Dancer]

That's certainly one of the weakest excuses I've ever heard. Too bad it's such a common one.

So why do you think that your particular god's laws are binding on everyone?

 

[Sand Dancer]

The funny thing is my Christianity is more orthodox than the fundie Evangelicals who obsess over abortion and homosexuality to a pathological extent. I was a very devout conservative Catholic for a long time and that's mostly stayed with me. I believe in the Trinity, the Nicene Creed, the Sacraments, monasticism, etc. All very ancient stuff. The rigid black and white teachings on sexuality just make no logical sense to my God-given conscience so I disagree on those.

But I apparently worship Satan so what do I know.

Did you change religions? I could have sworn you were something else not long ago. (Not a Satan worshiper.)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did you change religions? I could have sworn you were something else not long ago. (Not a Satan worshiper.)

Yeah, I was confused for a bit. I always come back to Christianity, though.

 

[THE Art Vandelay]

I believe in the Trinity, the Nicene Creed, the Sacraments, monasticism, etc. All very ancient stuff.

All very unscriptural stuff, as well.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

All very unscriptural stuff, as well.

I don't care about your opinion.

 

[Salvador]

Not particularly. But so what?


So what's your point here? The Bibles I read are in English, not Greek.

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The point being that the meaning of the original text can get lost in translation. May I please suggest a person learn ancient Greek and Hebrew before seriously studying the Bible.

 

[Salvador]

Kind of speaks to a pretty big Biblical shortcoming doesn't it.

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Please keep in mind, messages of the Bible had been intended to be read by some people who understand an entirely different language a couple thousand years ago; of course, Biblical messages could easily get mistranslated.

 

[Skwim]

The point being that the meaning of the original text can get lost in translation. May I please suggest a person learn Greek and Hebrew before seriously studying the Bible.

So the average Joe will better translate ancient Greek and Hebrew sources than the learned scholars and translators who toiled for years putting the bible together? Sorry. I think not.

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[Skwim]

Please keep in mind, messages of the Bible had been intended to be read by some people who understand an entirely different language a couple thousand years ago; of course, Biblical messages could easily get mistranslated.

And later scholars were too witless to take this into account? I don't think so.


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[Evangelicalhumanist]

Simply consider.

"The phrase "the disciple whom Jesus loved" . . . or, in John 20:2 the disciple beloved of Jesus . . . is used six times in the Gospel of John, but in no other New Testament accounts of Jesus. John 21:24 states that the Gospel of John is based on the written testimony of this disciple."
Source: Wikipedia
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The six references to the disciple whom Jesus loved as referred to in John's gospel:
[sources: Wikipedia and KJV]

It is this disciple who, while reclining beside Jesus at the Last Supper, asks Jesus who it is that will betray him, after being requested by Peter to do so.[Jn 13:23-25]

23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?​

Later at the crucifixion, Jesus tells his mother, "Woman, here is your son", and to the Beloved Disciple he says, "Here is your mother."[Jn 19:26-27]

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.​

When Mary Magdalene discovers the empty tomb, she runs to tell the Beloved Disciple and Peter. The two men rush to the empty tomb and the Beloved Disciple is the first to reach it. However, Peter is the first to enter.[Jn 20:1-2]

1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.​

In John 21, the last chapter of the Gospel of John, the Beloved Disciple is one of seven fishermen involved in the miraculous catch of 153 fish.[Jn 21:7]

7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.​

Also in the book's final chapter, after Jesus implies the manner in which Peter will die, Peter sees the Beloved Disciple following them and asks, "What about him?" Jesus answers, "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me."[John 21:20-23]

20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?​

Again in the Gospel's last chapter, it states that the very book itself is based on the written testimony of the disciple whom Jesus loved.[John 21:24]

24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.​

And here is how this disciple is described in just one verse, John 13:23, in various Bibles

"whom Jesus loved."
"the one Yeshua particularly loved"
"the one Jesus loved"
"The disciple Jesus loved"
"the one whom Jesus loved"
"the one whom Jesus was loving."
"the one Jesus loved very much"
"the follower Jesus loved"
"the one whom Jesus kept loving"
"that one of them who Jesus loved,"
"One of the disciples, the one Jesus loved dearly"
"the one Jesus specially loved"
"The disciple that Jesus dearly loved"

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Sound like mere friendship to you?

"Yeshua particularly loved." "whom Jesus was loving." "Jesus loved very much," "Jesus kept loving," "the one Jesus loved dearly," "Jesus specially loved." "Jesus dearly loved"​

Not to me it doesn't. Not that there's anything wrong with being gay, but the possibility seems to be entirely ignored when it comes to portraying Jesus. I say, let him out of the closet.................."Lots of luck Skwim."

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You left out a rather mysterious passage from Mark, Chapter 14:51-52

14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:
14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.