Evidence For And Against Evolution

[Subduction Zone]

Uh huh, sure. Did you even read the article about blood clots moreso in those returning from their trips beyond the magnetic zone of the earth?

I read it, but I don't think that you did. It said nothing about the magnetic field of the Earth and even less about astronauts that went beyond it. In fact it said this:

"The study looked at periodic ultrasound tests of 11 healthy astronauts who staffed the International Space Station."

In case you did not know the ISS stays very close to the Earth. I can assure you that magnetism is not the answer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There ya go. That's evolution for you. Maybe in time the astronauts children would acclimate and the blood flow would be different after -- a few million or hundred thousand years. It's possible that SZ might agree with that. I hope so.

No need for that, there is a simple fix after all.

 

[YoursTrue]

The problem is that you are misunderstanding Evolution, like how it work.

Evolution isn’t about changes to a single individual. Evolution is about changes to the population, but over times, so biologists are talking about “generations” of small changes.

Evolution is also about passing the genetic traits to descendants.

That “link” you provided had nothing to do with Evolution, unless you have astronauts have children during their times living in the space station, where children will inherit genes from the parents that also exhibit the same physiological conditions.

You were jumping the gun, making up your own conclusions about the article, and not understanding how Evolution works, YoursTrue.

It is your rationality that’s wrong.

Evolution doesn’t work like fictions, like X-men, the mutants, or Peter Parker bitten by spider thereby exhibiting spider’s traits, or in Alien franchise. These types of mutations don’t happen in evolutionary biology, because they are fictional.

Are you confusing actual Evolution with these Hollywood sci-fi?

Let me express it this way: from what I have read in reference to evolution, some say that species developed (or evolved) because of situations, such as no light, therefore evolved to a reproducing organism that didn't need eyes to see. In reference to mankind's attempts or thoughts or desires to live in or escape from earth's possible very bad environmental conditions to live in space, the idea that the blood stream is disturbed in the magnetic fields out there, and seems that, from what I read in the article, that astronauts have severe problems with blood clots because of this. While I did work for an outfit that published stories from sci-fi writers, I could actually see myself, if I wanted to, write a story based on what I have learned here about evolution. Well, have a nice day, or night, depending on where you're at.

 

[YoursTrue]

I read it, but I don't think that you did. It said nothing about the magnetic field of the Earth and even less about astronauts that went beyond it. In fact it said this:

"The study looked at periodic ultrasound tests of 11 healthy astronauts who staffed the International Space Station."

In case you did not know the ISS stays very close to the Earth. I can assure you that magnetism is not the answer.

That's right. It said nothing about the magnetic field of the earth or beyond. It spoke about the circulatory system of human beings, and the subsequent blood clots. I spoke about the magnetic field, and of course, you somehow think it has nothing to do with the circulatory system. OK, I say once again.

 

[YoursTrue]

No need for that, there is a simple fix after all.

Well, maybe you'll be around to see or live on Mars when the first society is alive and thriving on Mars. In a space city, or without a space suit with oxygen pumped in? And I mean before mankind kills itself with pollution and other things. What I read recently in a scientific journal is that in the past, humans did not cause disasters that caused extinction or great environmental changes for the earth. This is the first time that the earth is on the brink because of humans. Have a good night.

 

[YoursTrue]

I read it, but I don't think that you did. It said nothing about the magnetic field of the Earth and even less about astronauts that went beyond it. In fact it said this:

"The study looked at periodic ultrasound tests of 11 healthy astronauts who staffed the International Space Station."

In case you did not know the ISS stays very close to the Earth. I can assure you that magnetism is not the answer.

I guess you're saying that the cabin didn't need to be pressurized and they could walk outside if they did, without a space suit and oxygen mask? All that money spent on wondering, and things like spacesuits and cabins and going to the moon and orbiting the earth. Meantime, people are starving and fighting one another. My goodness. But thanks for mentioning the ISS is "so close" to the earth.
Why Does The ISS Orbit So Close To Earth?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let me express it this way: from what I have read in reference to evolution, some say that species developed (or evolved) because of situations, such as no light, therefore evolved to a reproducing organism that didn't need eyes to see. In reference to mankind's attempts or thoughts or desires to live in or escape from earth's possible very bad environmental conditions to live in space, the idea that the blood stream is disturbed in the magnetic fields out there, and seems that, from what I read in the article, that astronauts have severe problems with blood clots because of this. While I did work for an outfit that published stories from sci-fi writers, I could actually see myself, if I wanted to, write a story based on what I have learned here about evolution. Well, have a nice day, or night, depending on where you're at.

Why do you insist on magnetic fields? Magnets are not magic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's right. It said nothing about the magnetic field of the earth or beyond. It spoke about the circulatory system of human beings, and the subsequent blood clots. I spoke about the magnetic field, and of course, you somehow think it has nothing to do with the circulatory system. OK, I say once again.

Rudeness and ignorance is a very bad combination. Lets go over a point you got extremely wrong. None of the astronauts in the study got outside of Earth's magnetic field. All of them were on the ISS.

Are you just trolling at this point? You did get your rear end handed to you repeatedly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I guess you're saying that the cabin didn't need to be pressurized and they could walk outside if they did, without a space suit and oxygen mask? All that money spent on wondering, and things like spacesuits and cabins and going to the moon and orbiting the earth. Meantime, people are starving and fighting one another. My goodness. But thanks for mentioning the ISS is "so close" to the earth.
Why Does The ISS Orbit So Close To Earth?

Another dishonest strawman argument. Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, maybe you'll be around to see or live on Mars when the first society is alive and thriving on Mars. In a space city, or without a space suit with oxygen pumped in? And I mean before mankind kills itself with pollution and other things. What I read recently in a scientific journal is that in the past, humans did not cause disasters that caused extinction or great environmental changes for the earth. This is the first time that the earth is on the brink because of humans. Have a good night.

So you still assume that others are as confused as you are. Such a shame.

 

[YoursTrue]

Unless, you have children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, great-great grandchildren of an astronaut, and so on, going into space, where each one of them inherit genes that exhibit the same physical conditions and that give them adaptable traits that make his or her descendants better astronauts - what does this have to do with Evolution?

Well, if that's so -- (that their offspring develop genes adapting after many years to outer space and circulation) then that's evolution, isn't it? After all, they say the current human population is very, very close to Denisovans and bonobos. So -- something must have evolved according to many scientists' thinking. Why not with humans developing by genetic changes to live without spacesuits and oxygen? I mean, why not, if evolution is true?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, if that's so -- (that their offspring develop genes adapting after many years to outer space and circulation) then that's evolution, isn't it? After all, they say the current human population is very, very close to Denisovans and bonobos. So -- something must have evolved according to many scientists' thinking. Why not with humans developing by genetic changes to live without spacesuits and oxygen? I mean, why not, if evolution is true?

Evolution only works within limits. I am beginning to think that a fifth grade level of scientific literacy may have been an overestimate.

 

[YoursTrue]

Another dishonest strawman argument. Try again.

It's not a strawman argument. It's a real argument. For what reason then are scientists, governments, institutions spending so much time, money and wonderments about going to other planets? Because it's fun? Meantime, whether you think it's strawman or not (and by the way, I'm a female...) mankind can't even clean up the oceans, coral reefs are dying, human populations are being driven out by hunger and flooding, but great minds are thinking about visiting and living on(?) other planets. lolol...
But that's what humans have evolved to. Going to outer space and ruining what they have touched.
Yes, according to scientists, all the previous gigantic cataclysmic disasters were not caused by humans, they were all before the human disaster some say will be coming.

 

[YoursTrue]

Evolution only works within limits. I am beginning to think that a fifth grade level of scientific literacy may have been an overestimate.

roflol. That's ok.

 

[YoursTrue]

Evolution only works within limits. I am beginning to think that a fifth grade level of scientific literacy may have been an overestimate.

So in other words, you don't think it's possible that humans can develop, evolve genes that would enable them to live on the moon or Mars without spacesuits and the like? Maybe a pipeline importing oxygen from the earth to Mars or the moon. Why not?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's not a strawman argument. It's a real argument. For what reason then are scientists, governments, institutions spending so much time, money and wonderments about going to other planets? Because it's fun? Meantime, whether you think it's strawman or not (and by the way, I'm a female...) mankind can't even clean up the oceans, coral reefs are dying, human populations are being driven out by hunger and flooding, but great minds are thinking about visiting and living on(?) other planets. lolol...
But that's what humans have evolved to. Going to outer space and ruining what they have touched.
Yes, according to scientists, all the previous gigantic cataclysmic disasters were not caused by humans, they were all before the human disaster some say will be coming.

it was a strawman. You made a false claim about my beliefs.

Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So in other words, you don't think it's possible that humans can develop, evolve genes that would enable them to live on the moon or Mars without spacesuits and the like? Maybe a pipeline importing oxygen from the earth to Mars or the moon. Why not?

Engineering.

 

[gnostic]

Well, if that's so -- (that their offspring develop genes adapting after many years to outer space and circulation) then that's evolution, isn't it?

Not exactly.

The children and descendants have to be born with the circulation, inherited from the parents.

To give you an example, let's say the father (astronaut) stayed on space station for 2 years, developed the circulation in reverse. He come back home, and have 2 children, whose circulations are normal at birth. Then let say a daughter, become an astronaut 25 years later, and lived 2 years at space station, and develop the same physiological condition as her father before her.

This is not genetic, and certainly not evolution, if she wasn't born with the condition.

Do you understand what I am saying, YoursTrue?

If the daughter has to go to the space station to develop the same symptom as her father, then the physiological condition, the "changes" isn't genetic, and therefore evolution play no role in this.

 

[YoursTrue]

it was a strawman. You made a false claim about my beliefs.

Try again.

Ok. You believe in myths and conjectures taught as truth but which keep changing.

 

[YoursTrue]

Not exactly.

The children and descendants have to be born with the circulation, inherited from the parents.

To give you an example, let's say the father (astronaut) stayed on space station for 2 years, developed the circulation in reverse. He come back home, and have 2 children, whose circulations are normal at birth. Then let say a daughter, become an astronaut 25 years later, and lived 2 years at space station, and develop the same physiological condition as her father before her.

This is not genetic, and certainly not evolution, if she wasn't born with the condition.

Do you understand what I am saying, YoursTrue?

If the daughter has to go to the space station to develop the same symptom as her father, then the physiological condition, the "changes" isn't genetic, and therefore evolution play no role in this.

Ok let's say that angry people inherit anger making genes.