Being free of excess bull****
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A Second Brexit Vote?
- Thread starter Sunstone
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Being free of excess bull****
Altfish
Veteran Member
Was that on the side of a bus?
Sorry, but it sure sounds like the Brexit narrative is sustained mainly by fiction and not-entirely-understandable ill will.
By the same token, a 2019/2020 referendum is even more necessary than the 2016 referendum was.
Not least because the UK is thorn apart by disagreements on the merits or lack thereof of Brexit (and even on whether a Deal spoils the validity of same) and without that measure you will end up saddled with a lot more bitter, fruitless accusations than you truly have to.
No, because as I said: the E.U. hasn't changed.
Probably but there's tons more since 75 and I've seen it all,just seeing how hard it is to get out is enough to tell me we shouldn't be in it,there's a long road ahead but it could have been so much shorter if we didn't have idiots in parliament who think we are not worthy of making a decision,Boris for all his faults has kudos way above them,that tells its own story.
The perception of the EU, of the goals, consequences and nature of Brexit (actually, of the many conceivable forms of Brexit) certainly did.
So have the composition of British society, for that matter. Easily to the point that it is not a given that the referendum is still representative. Frankly, that was doubtful even in 2016.
All the same, you are giving the EU a lot less credit than I would. It is not the monolithic, unchanging entity that you seem to believe it to be.
I think this is over dramatised,"torn apart" etc,Its not like we're engulfed in a civil war,we can do this,it's just a minority holding us up.
Altfish
Veteran Member
So, there will be no tangible benefits once we've left.
Once they kick out all the foreign geth care workers, there will be lots of demand for jobs in the health care sector.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Good luck with that. Minimum wage jobs, native Brits won't touch them
Augustus
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"The Brexit campaign told lies and fooled all of the stupid people who can't think for themselves"
"Brexiteers are all racists who are going to boot out the nurses and then your toes will fall off!!!!!!!!"
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If the worst case scenarios pan out, there should also be an uptick in higher-paying jobs in the funeral services industry.
There will be,for a start we won't be putting in money,much more money than most of the 27,if or rather when Albania get in much more than they could ever afford.
Italy has become the riskiest borrower in the Eurozone,riskier than even Greece,I see Spain not too far behind,it's not great for anyone but we're better out and so is Italy even if it's out of the euro,add to that there's a global recession waiting to hit,we are definitely better off out.
A united Ireland is a pretty likely outcome and it's seen as a benefit to many.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Your still pushing that Albania are going to join!!! Project Fear - What about Turkey are they joining too?
So, as I keep saying I and my family will not benefit at all and will almost certainly be worst off. Was that on the side of a bus?
Do you honestly think your side would have won the referendum if this sort of information was available in 2016?
Altfish
Veteran Member
Indeed, I forgot about that, that will be a benefit. Also Scotland leaving the UK
Yes I do,it's the culmination of many years of frustration,not what was on the side of the bus.
Altfish
Veteran Member
You seem to have messed up the quoting there.
Remember, all members have a veto.
I'm blaming my phone for that,yes all members do have a veto and macrons was because he regards the Balkans as "a ticking time bomb" but the the others want expansion.
Senior EU officials have reacted angrily after a handful of member states, led by France, blocked Albania and North Macedonia from starting membership talks.
Leaders of the bloc's 28 states spent hours in heated debate over the issue but failed to agree, diplomats said.
The failure came despite a recommendation from the European Commission and the European Parliament.
Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker said it was "a major historic mistake".
"I hope it will only be temporary," he said.
EU Council President Donald Tusk echoed his sentiments, saying: "It's not a failure, it's a mistake. I feel really embarrassed.