Are we ready to find life on Mars in 2 years?

[dad]

Yes, Science has got nothing to do with Prophecy, it is not its realm.

General Question, anybody could reply.
Is Prophecy the domain of Science? If yes, then please mention to which specific discipline of Science it relates to.

Regards

Science predicts the sun and stars will go dark billions of years from now. It predicts earth will...(various extinction/doomsday scenarios) etc etc. Science prophesies all the time. Falsely. When it comes to the near present, it does OK.

 

[dad]

I never thought of it that way.
Interesting.
Walt Brown published his theory about the Earth having an ocean 10 miles below the surface of Earth, laid down during the accretian process, that defrosted and with supersonic speed cracked the earth surface open and ejected this watermass over 100 miles into space.

That was where I first heard the idea. I have since moved on from agreeing with the reasons he thinks are responsible for the event, but still respect the basic concept that somehow ejecta indeed may have resulted.

 

[Ouroboros]

perhaps, but why not?
But why dictate to what God would want to do from the perspective of your human existance.
I can also do the same. I can for instance ask: Why would God create life on other planets in the universe if He wanted to create humans to be his friends?
Will creating life on other planets not be a waste in this regard too?

Why would that be waste? Consider that there are more than 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe, probably a lot more, it's just one of the more recent estimates, and only in one of those star systems would there be a small planet. It's like me building a house that could fit 100 trillion dogs, but I only keep one. It doesn't make sense to me. You make a big house for the reason to fill it.

But then when it comes to Mars, I think any scientist or person in general that assumes that there's life on Mars now, might be a bit premature. I believe there was life on Mars once, but we can't be sure there's life now. There might be, but it might not.

All I say is, the scientists that think us humans will not be ready to learn that there is life on Mars is childish.
Now why the hell would they attribute some psycological problem to me and you if there is life found on Mars?

I can agree with that.

perhaps this fool Green thinks he will destroy the Christian religion if he proves that there is life on Mars.
Already this atheists are talking about the possibility that if they dont find life on Mars, they will find evidence that life existed on Mars millions of years ago!
And others keep the back door open and allow for "we will find the Building blocks for life"

Well, we have found the building blocks for life in space already, depending on what blocks we're talking about.

I do agree with you it won't destroy Christianity, but it will shake up some belief. There are some Christians who totally reject the possibility of life out there, and they either adjust their belief or keep on denying it, claiming it's a conspiracy.

They are on some religious mission of their own, and I wonder if they will be able to handle the surcumstances if no life gets discovered.

Mars is only one candidate. There are a bunch of moons in our system that could contain life.

 

[Ouroboros]

Yes, detected 10s of thousands of light years ago with spectrometer frequencies in 3 hot nebular clouds.
Some spikes suggest Glycene.
https://physicsworld.com/a/amino-acid-detected-in-space/
And a comet might have had some Amino acid which we are not sure was contamination from earth. The amino acid was 100 billionth of a gram and it had more C13 than amino acid on earth, thats why the conclusion was made it came from space.
Found: first amino acid on a comet
Shirbit man, I can make glycene in my kitchen.
And with a candle I can add C13.

So the universe is a kitchen where Huguenot do some lab work.

When I grew up, no one thought any of these things existed in space. Heck, they didn't know water was as common as it is. There's a sci-fi movie from 20-30 years ago where aliens invade Earth to get water, because it's so rare, which we now know it isn't.

What's amazing that these things can form in nature, through natural forces, and not just in someone's kitchen.

And on another side note, the moon Titan has oil. There's a lot of stuff out there. My point is that not long ago, we thought it was void of anything complex, and had only dirt, rocks, and gases, but now we're discovering more and more complex stuff.

 

[dianaiad]

No problem, but you still have the fact that there will be new heavens and the old ones will pass away. Can't avoid that one. Doesn't seem to mention life created elsewhere.

I've never been of the 'If the Bible doesn't mention it, it doesn't exist" s hool' (dang that missing ' see" strikes again,,,and I an't AFFORD a new keyboard!).

It's a binary set, I think.... onstitution resear hers do the same thing. if the bible (or the onstitution) doesn't permit something, it's forbidden...or doesn't exist. Others look at both with the 'if it doesn't outright forbid something (or say it does NOT exist) then it's OK...or might exist.

I don't like either approa h. (DANG that 'see' key!!!)

 

[dianaiad]

Why would that be waste? Consider that there are more than 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe, probably a lot more, it's just one of the more recent estimates, and only in one of those star systems would there be a small planet. It's like me building a house that could fit 100 trillion dogs, but I only keep one. It doesn't make sense to me. You make a big house for the reason to fill it.

But then when it comes to Mars, I think any scientist or person in general that assumes that there's life on Mars now, might be a bit premature. I believe there was life on Mars once, but we can't be sure there's life now. There might be, but it might not.


I can agree with that.


Well, we have found the building blocks for life in space already, depending on what blocks we're talking about.

I do agree with you it won't destroy Christianity, but it will shake up some belief. There are some Christians who totally reject the possibility of life out there, and they either adjust their belief or keep on denying it, claiming it's a conspiracy.


Mars is only one candidate. There are a bunch of moons in our system that could contain life.

Well, it looks as if most stars DO have planets. That might mess things up a bit.

 

[dad]

I've never been of the 'If the Bible doesn't mention it, it doesn't exist" s hool' (dang that missing ' see" strikes again,,,and I an't AFFORD a new keyboard!).

It's a binary set, I think.... onstitution resear hers do the same thing. if the bible (or the onstitution) doesn't permit something, it's forbidden...or doesn't exist. Others look at both with the 'if it doesn't outright forbid something (or say it does NOT exist) then it's OK...or might exist.

I don't like either approa h. (DANG that 'see' key!!!)

Logic says that if the universe is temporary, God probably didn't stock it with life just to destroy it. He says He is moving to earth! He says there will be new heavens, the ones we know will vanish away. We will not pass away though. To suggest a universe full of aliens may exist is not a sound biblical proposition. The life mentioned in space is fallen angels and even they will be kicked down to earth!

Furthermore science doesn't know if time as we know it exists in all the universe, and that means that science cannot say anything is millions of light years away. Their whole idea of the universe is fatally flawed.

 

[dianaiad]

Logic says that if the universe is temporary, God probably didn't stock it with life just to destroy it. He says He is moving to earth! He says there will be new heavens, the ones we know will vanish away. We will not pass away though. To suggest a universe full of aliens may exist is not a sound biblical proposition. The life mentioned in space is fallen angels and even they will be kicked down to earth!

Furthermore science doesn't know if time as we know it exists in all the universe, and that means that science cannot say anything is millions of light years away. Their whole idea of the universe is fatally flawed.

Oh, I believe that science has shown that time exists everywhere...it just doesn't run at the same pace as here. In fact, it doesn't run at the same pace everywhere on EARTH. Gravity changes affect time. Everything affects time. Still, it's there..."space-time." I figure that God can do what He wants, and probably tells people what's what according to what they can understand. Somehow I think that He would have told US what was what in a slightly different, perhaps more detailed and even tecnically accurate manner.

I figure that God, having created the entire universe. also created the laws which run it. I also figure that if He did that, He would do everything according to those laws, just because it would be the easiest way to so something. After all, why would He create laws to run something...if doing something a different way would be easier? So...laws and rules...and we might well be able to figure them out. We are doing a pretty good job of figuring out a few of 'em. If what we find out SEEMS to contradict the scriptures, well....I'll bet it's because we just don't understand what the prophets who wrote the scriptures said...and they might not have understood completely what THEY heard.

As you can see, I'm not a biblical innerantist. I believe that it is scripture, and true, but that it was written by men of their time, and we've learned a lot of stuff since they wrote it down.

I also believe in modern revelation. I'm LDS.

 

[paarsurrey]

Interesting, but then again that book was written centuries after the Scriptures, so that may be more like an echo.

Please quote from one's "scriptures".

Regards

 

[dad]

Oh, I believe that science has shown that time exists everywhere...it just doesn't run at the same pace as here. In fact, it doesn't run at the same pace everywhere on EARTH. Gravity changes affect time. Everything affects time. Still, it's there..."space-time." I figure that God can do what He wants, and probably tells people what's what according to what they can understand. Somehow I think that He would have told US what was what in a slightly different, perhaps more detailed and even tecnically accurate manner.

Show us how science has shown time exists the same in deep space!? Ha. You must be kidding.

I figure that God, having created the entire universe. also created the laws which run it.

Of course, but the kingdom of God on earth will have a different nature than today. So did Noah's day. Then there was Eden. It was never a one size (one nature/laws) fits all thing.

I also figure that if He did that, He would do everything according to those laws, just because it would be the easiest way to so something. After all, why would He create laws to run something...if doing something a different way would be easier?

?? Why would we live forever if we were always subject to decay and entropy and etc etc etc?? Of course He changes laws and nature and a lot more.

So...laws and rules...and we might well be able to figure them out. We are doing a pretty good job of figuring out a few of 'em. If what we find out SEEMS to contradict the scriptures, well....I'll bet it's because we just don't understand what the prophets who wrote the scriptures said...and they might not have understood completely what THEY heard.

I'll bet the Scriptures were right all along and science is far too small and limited and blind to know.

As you can see, I'm not a biblical innerantist. I believe that it is scripture, and true, but that it was written by men of their time, and we've learned a lot of stuff since they wrote it down.

I also believe in modern revelation. I'm LDS.

God inspired and oversaw His word to man. He has to take the blame if there is a problem.

 

[dad]

Please quote from one's "scriptures".

Regards

Isa 34:4 - And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Re 6:14 - And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

 

[paarsurrey]

Isa 34:4 - And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Re 6:14 - And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Thanks and regards. It shows both the Scripture [Torah (OT) and Quran] have originated from the same source of Oneness/G-d. Right, please?

Regards

 

[dad]

Thanks and regards. It shows both the Scripture [Torah (OT) and Quran] have originated from the same source of Oneness/G-d. Right, please?

Regards

Some things that come from scripture and ended up in other places would be right yes. That doesn't mean that any big book that happens to reference scripture somewhere in it is all correct. Nor that any book that may have an angel with a same name such as Gabriel is referring to THE Gabriel of the bible.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Why would that be waste? Consider that there are more than 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe, probably a lot more, it's just one of the more recent estimates, and only in one of those star systems would there be a small planet. It's like me building a house that could fit 100 trillion dogs, but I only keep one. It doesn't make s

Or its like having billions of billions genome combinations science called unnessesary, only to find that it might be needed to shape life.
or like calling organs in our bodies vestigial, only to learn it is needed to be strong and healthy.
To tell me billions of billions of stars which have their own solarsystems might have life, is actually nothing more than a whish it might.
I believe all this matter, right up to the end of the cosmos, as well as the unknown outside of it, is needed to support life here on earth.
This is how I feel about God who created humans to be His friends, and His love he has for us.
To the Evolutionist who dont like the thought of a God Creator, the simple minded thinking of evolution, this is biological and cosmological evolution, is so limited in grandure, that life is the cheapest thing in their minds.
To me, Life is precious, cerated, and designed to be the want of a God in the whole of everything.

To me, the words, So loved God the World that he gave his only begotten Son, means much more than just some man who was crucified!
It means that this Creator loved the Human which he created with the level of intelligence, so we can sit here and postulate if He exists or not.
And He did this to receive spirits who replies to His love.
This is however my point ov view, and not something I want anyone to believe.
My point is only this.
My Creator say he made everything for us, even the Sun, moon and stars, which will obviously include all those external solarsystems we now speak about.
And to say I am arrogant in believing this, can also be answered in contra with:
It is just as arrogant to say that my belief, which is based on fact by the way, is unfoundational with no evidence.

Just as I am arrogant in believing in this Creator, the Athjeist is arrogant against Him for denial of His existance.

 

[MJ Bailey]

Mute question. Microbial life forms are, were, and have been found on Mars.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I do agree with you it won't destroy Christianity, but it will shake up some belief. There are some Christians who totally reject the possibility of life out there, and they either adjust their belief or keep on denying it, claiming it's a conspiracy.

True. I dont think it is a conspiracy, but total exageration to claim something from very small evidence.
If I were to use the same evidence to deny life, which is just as scientific, I will be called Bias.
I just dont understand how the world changed from factual science, to theoretical science.
Both is useable and should be practiced, but it should be clear what is theoretical, and which is Factual.
Too many scientists today take some mathematical postulation, and call it evidence to build one huge concoction of some theory, only to make it in the arena of "stardom to science".
These guys act as if they are Rock and Roll celebrities.
I find it funny.
Then again they succeed in getting normal people to think they are on the verge of the greatest discoveries man has ever found.
It is silly.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Mute question. Microbial life forms are, were, and have been found on Mars.

Huh?

 

[SA Huguenot]

So the universe is a kitchen where Huguenot do some lab work.

When I grew up, no one thought any of these things existed in space. Heck, they didn't know water was as common as it is. There's a sci-fi movie from 20-30 years ago where aliens invade Earth to get water, because it's so rare, which we now know it isn't.

What's amazing that these things can form in nature, through natural forces, and not just in someone's kitchen.

And on another side note, the moon Titan has oil. There's a lot of stuff out there. My point is that not long ago, we thought it was void of anything complex, and had only dirt, rocks, and gases, but now we're discovering more and more complex stuff.

I remember how some publications, obviously in science books and not some university document which is too high for my intellect, continioud to punt the origins of the Earth by the Hadean theory of La Place because it fit in with the Atheist view, and not the Wet accretion nebular theory of Kant, because it sounded too biblical.
Now we know the Earth shaped from accretion of liquid, Gas and solids, and water played a huge role.
Water was present during birth of Earth, study of silver suggests
Early Earth less 'Hellish' than previously thought
Again, only in my point of view, this is exactly what Genesis 1: 2 said 3 400 years ago, or at least written up in extant manuscripts in 2165 years ago.
For what it is worth.

 

[MJ Bailey]

In case you haven't heard, NASA has meteorological proof of existence of life forms on Mars

 

[SA Huguenot]

In case you haven't heard, NASA has meteorological proof of existence of life forms on Mars

Huh??