Are we ready to find life on Mars in 2 years?

[dad]

Hmmn....isn't there a theory out there that life drifted down here FROM Mars?

(shrug)

Whatever, it is what it is. I'm not worried about it, except that finding out new things is very cool.

No doubt Satan and his cronies will tout finding traces of ancient life on Mars as evidence that man is not alone or created. Better to know the truth.

 

[dianaiad]

No doubt Satan and his cronies will tout finding traces of ancient life on Mars as evidence that man is not alone or created. Better to know the truth.

That's always better....but how in all that is wonderful would finding life on Mars (or anywhere else) be evidence that man is not alone or created? I mean, that we are not alone isn't a bad thing to find out...and my own belief system tells me that we aren't...but 'not created?"

I mean, really. God created the entire universe. Doesn't that mean that everything IN it is created?

Why would you insist that anything in it wouldn't be? That makes no sense at all...and isn't a bit arrogant to tell God HOW He had to create stuff?

 

[Etritonakin]

Wow! What an incredible anticipation!
We here on Earth will be caught off guard because NASA will find life on Mars within the next 2 years!
We will not be able to handle this truth!
Dr Jim Green has warned that two rovers from Nasa and the European Space Agency (ESA) could find evidence of life within months of arriving on Mars in March 2021.
When -- or if -- NASA finds life on Mars, the world may not be ready for the discovery, the agency chief says - CNN
(CNN)NASA's next mission to Mars will be its most advanced yet. But if scientists discover there was once life -- or there is life -- on the Red Planet, will the public be able to handle such an extraterrestrial concept?

NASA chief scientist Jim Green doesn't think so.
"It will be revolutionary," Green told the Telegraph. "It will start a whole new line of thinking. I don't think we're prepared for the results. We're not."

I can only laugh at this poor highly educated fool!
he makes it out as iff everyone here on Earth will somehow realize that we all will need to get some psycho therapy IF NASA finds evidence of life!
What does this guy imply?
That perhaps all the people on Earth who ever believed in a Creator will now somehow go in depression and commit suicide?
I remember how old Gilbert Levin claimed that he discovered life on Mars in 1976 when NASA sent the Viking Rovers there. Test after test proved that there was a glitch and error in the initial test, and all scientists up untill today know that Levin did not discover life.

This old foolish man just never could accept the truth, and went on, and on, and on about his "Evidence".

Now we have a new Jester in the court!
Jim Green.
And he is so sure that he determines we will find life in the next 2 years!!!!

My question is:
If 2 years pass, will Jim Green be able to handle the truth?
perhaps the whole scientific comunity will have too book appointments with their therapists 2 years from now, else they will turn into little Gilbert Levin's!

Even when one has the worlds best education and experience, you still need to gain wisdom.
I would like to know if there are others out here that also noticed this silly scientific claims being spread around and what does it mean to you?

I am a religious person -believe biblical scripture (but that it does not describe anything like a young Earth/universe) -and believe it quite possible that there are forms of life all over the universe.
God is not only credited with creating life on Earth, but with the entire creation -which means the elements would have been produced with the intent of forming life and its environments. Under the right circumstances, those elements essentially self-assemble, self-replicate, etc. -and those circumstances could have required God's decision after the initiation of the universe -or have been built into the creation from the beginning -which would mean that (as the universe is generally similar all over) the same general processes would repeat in many places (though may also be subject to tweaking at any time -as our activities are evidence).

DNA-based evolution alone is an excellent way of producing unimaginable varieties of life without needing to micro-manage everything.
However, it is problematic for man -because we are not simply subject to it -and we do not particularly like it (because we are able to not like it -whereas other life forms can not even consider it).
We already think beyond simply being subject to evolution -and we have begun to make evolution subject to us -even beginning to self-evolve.
We differ from other life forms on Earth in that our mental ability and imagination are not simply sufficient for being what we are.
One way or another, we are thinking and moving toward being much different -both in our ability to create external tools, and to essentially internalize improved tools in the form of an improved body -which allow for our environment to become more subject to us -and ourselves less subject to it.

The universe is generally in "bondage to decay" -which doesn't bother most life forms -because it can't. They die as individuals (which allows for adaptation, etc.), and their entire local environment is subject to destruction by somewhat-chaotic natural forces -about which they can think and do bupkis. Some do not even have the mechanisms which would allow them to suffer as they were made extinct. However, we are able to think of things such as extending life, eternal life, terraforming, deflecting celestial bodies on a collision course with our local environment, affecting weather cycles, protecting the future of ourselves and other life forms, etc. We even think -and take steps -toward ending death and suffering for those which do suffer.

Finding life on Mars would mean that there might be amazing life forms on many planets -in many environments -but we would not likely get to see any of them as individuals if we are also simply subject to evolution -or even if later generations self-evolve to immortality and conquer interstellar space travel.

It is actually more exciting for me because biblical scripture already says that we are to be given "glorious" eternal bodies which are not bound to this local environment, will allow for great power over even cosmic forces and events -to be used throughout "the heavens" which "were formed to be inhabited". Finding unimaginably varied life forms everywhere may be part of the "glory" which awaits -but we may also create and manage environments and life forms elsewhere.

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now."

"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."

 

[dad]

That's always better....but how in all that is wonderful would finding life on Mars (or anywhere else) be evidence that man is not alone or created? I mean, that we are not alone isn't a bad thing to find out...and my own belief system tells me that we aren't...but 'not created?"

I mean, really. God created the entire universe. Doesn't that mean that everything IN it is created?

Why would you insist that anything in it wouldn't be? That makes no sense at all...and isn't a bit arrogant to tell God HOW He had to create stuff?

Well, what happens to all those aliens when the universe folds up like a scroll one day?

 

[paarsurrey]

Wow! What an incredible anticipation!
We here on Earth will be caught off guard because NASA will find life on Mars within the next 2 years!
We will not be able to handle this truth!
Dr Jim Green has warned that two rovers from Nasa and the European Space Agency (ESA) could find evidence of life within months of arriving on Mars in March 2021.
When -- or if -- NASA finds life on Mars, the world may not be ready for the discovery, the agency chief says - CNN
(CNN)NASA's next mission to Mars will be its most advanced yet. But if scientists discover there was once life -- or there is life -- on the Red Planet, will the public be able to handle such an extraterrestrial concept?

NASA chief scientist Jim Green doesn't think so.
"It will be revolutionary," Green told the Telegraph. "It will start a whole new line of thinking. I don't think we're prepared for the results. We're not."

I can only laugh at this poor highly educated fool!
he makes it out as iff everyone here on Earth will somehow realize that we all will need to get some psycho therapy IF NASA finds evidence of life!
What does this guy imply?
That perhaps all the people on Earth who ever believed in a Creator will now somehow go in depression and commit suicide?
I remember how old Gilbert Levin claimed that he discovered life on Mars in 1976 when NASA sent the Viking Rovers there. Test after test proved that there was a glitch and error in the initial test, and all scientists up untill today know that Levin did not discover life.

This old foolish man just never could accept the truth, and went on, and on, and on about his "Evidence".

Now we have a new Jester in the court!
Jim Green.
And he is so sure that he determines we will find life in the next 2 years!!!!

My question is:
If 2 years pass, will Jim Green be able to handle the truth?
perhaps the whole scientific comunity will have too book appointments with their therapists 2 years from now, else they will turn into little Gilbert Levin's!

Even when one has the worlds best education and experience, you still need to gain wisdom.
I would like to know if there are others out here that also noticed this silly scientific claims being spread around and what does it mean to you?

I am an Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim.
If we find life in Mars, it will have no religious affect on me.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Note the highlighted word in your OP


As to what he is implying. Religion here on earth has considered itself to be the centre of the universe since day one, it would be a great shock to some to realise this is not so

Being an Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim I never had such concept. Quran does not mention it.

Regards

 

[dianaiad]

Well, what happens to all those aliens when the universe folds up like a scroll one day?

Well, if that's what it will do, then 'all those aliens' will go the way of the universe. Just like we will.

...........Uh, I thought that the universe was going to end in either shrinking back into a singularity to start all over again, or expand into an eternal cold....the opinions on that seem to vary.

I think at the moment the popular idea is expansion into cold....(shrug)

 

[dad]

Well, if that's what it will do, then 'all those aliens' will go the way of the universe. Just like we will.

...........Uh, I thought that the universe was going to end in either shrinking back into a singularity to start all over again, or expand into an eternal cold....the opinions on that seem to vary.

I think at the moment the popular idea is expansion into cold....(shrug)

The earth will still be here and people when the heavens roll up like a scroll. Cosmology is belief based and wrong. Their predictions are false prophesy. The lights in the universe including the sun will go out. Dark. So the cosmological prophesies must be false. Not science in any real or true sense of the word.

 

[paarsurrey]

Well, what happens to all those aliens when the universe folds up like a scroll one day?

"the universe folds up like a scroll one day"

Quran mentions it:

[21:105]یَوۡمَ نَطۡوِی السَّمَآءَ کَطَیِّ السِّجِلِّ لِلۡکُتُبِ ؕ کَمَا بَدَاۡنَاۤ اَوَّلَ خَلۡقٍ نُّعِیۡدُہٗ ؕ وَعۡدًا عَلَیۡنَا ؕ اِنَّا کُنَّا فٰعِلِیۡنَ ﴿۱۰۵﴾
Remember the day when We shall roll up the heavens like the rolling up of written scrolls by a scribe. As We began the first creation, so shall We repeat it — a promise binding upon Us; We shall certainly perform it.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 21: Al-Anbiya'

Regards

 

[dianaiad]

The earth will still be here and people when the heavens roll up like a scroll. Cosmology is belief based and wrong. Their predictions are false prophesy. The lights in the universe including the sun will go out. Dark. So the cosmological prophesies must be false. Not science in any real or true sense of the word.

I see.

Well, I don't think I agree with your interpretation of things.

 

[paarsurrey]

The earth will still be here and people when the heavens roll up like a scroll. Cosmology is belief based and wrong. Their predictions are false prophesy. The lights in the universe including the sun will go out. Dark. So the cosmological prophesies must be false. Not science in any real or true sense of the word.

Yes, Science has got nothing to do with Prophecy, it is not its realm.

General Question, anybody could reply.
Is Prophecy the domain of Science? If yes, then please mention to which specific discipline of Science it relates to.

Regards

 

[SA Huguenot]

Something to make clear, there's a lot of organic matter like amino acids and such in space. We know this already, so it's not a huge stretch to think that there could be more complex organic structures, and even microscopic life, at least. Besides, if God created this enormously gigantic universe only for the purpose of having life on a single minuscule planet somewhere, it's just mind-boggling wasteful. God could at least have created animals, creatures, insects, bacteria, and such all over.

perhaps, but why not?
But why dictate to what God would want to do from the perspective of your human existance.
I can also do the same. I can for instance ask: Why would God create life on other planets in the universe if He wanted to create humans to be his friends?
Will creating life on other planets not be a waste in this regard too?

All I say is, the scientists that think us humans will not be ready to learn that there is life on Mars is childish.
Now why the hell would they attribute some psycological problem to me and you if there is life found on Mars?

perhaps this fool Green thinks he will destroy the Christian religion if he proves that there is life on Mars.
Already this atheists are talking about the possibility that if they dont find life on Mars, they will find evidence that life existed on Mars millions of years ago!
And others keep the back door open and allow for "we will find the Building blocks for life"

They are on some religious mission of their own, and I wonder if they will be able to handle the surcumstances if no life gets discovered.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Uh. What? Chapter and verse, please.

Oh it is all found in Moses 18: 28 to 64.
Tennis = "And Joseph served in Pharao's court!"
F1 racing = "And Moses came 4th in his triumph!"
VW Beetles = " They will he a hinderence on the pathways, and will surely creep up the hills."

I found a description of traffic officers in the Bible also = "They will set traps on the roads and rob the travellers".

 

[SA Huguenot]

That's quite a statement. HOW do you know? I mean, really; there is nothing at all in the bible that tells us that there isn't life anywhere else, period, and even if it did...it doesn't, but even if it did, it's faith/trust, not 'knowledge.'

Shoot, you don't even KNOW that the sun is shining right this minute. How the heck do you KNOW that there isn't any life anywhere else?

I mean, really; we find life on earth in places that boggle the mind; places humans absolutely could not survive in; ice in the poles, acid lakes that would strip the flesh from your bones, volcanoes, fumeroles on the sea bed...

So...how can you possibly KNOW?

For one thing, you'd have to check each and every planet, planetoid, star and all the area between those things to check.

Given what you have said here already, I don't think you believe in direct revelation of scripture nowadays (if I'm wrong about that, please forgive me and correct me). So..

How do you know?

And as I said, I am sure there is no life on any other place in the universe.
This is just my opinion, and guess what?
I might be proven wrong and life might be discovered somewhere in 2 years.
And it will not be a problem to me at all.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Probably ejecta from the flood year ended up there, including ice/water. This probably carried remnants of life, micro fossils or etc. No surprise if we find that on Mars.

I never thought of it that way.
Interesting.
Walt Brown published his theory about the Earth having an ocean 10 miles below the surface of Earth, laid down during the accretian process, that defrosted and with supersonic speed cracked the earth surface open and ejected this watermass over 100 miles into space.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Something to make clear, there's a lot of organic matter like amino acids and such in space. We know this already, so it's not a huge stretch to think that there could be more complex organic structures, and even microscopic life, at least. Besides, if God created this enormously gigantic universe only for the purpose of having life on a single minuscule planet somewhere, it's just mind-boggling wasteful. God could at least have created animals, creatures, insects, bacteria, and such all over.

Yes, detected 10s of thousands of light years ago with spectrometer frequencies in 3 hot nebular clouds.
Some spikes suggest Glycene.
https://physicsworld.com/a/amino-acid-detected-in-space/
And a comet might have had some Amino acid which we are not sure was contamination from earth. The amino acid was 100 billionth of a gram and it had more C13 than amino acid on earth, thats why the conclusion was made it came from space.
Found: first amino acid on a comet
Shirbit man, I can make glycene in my kitchen.
And with a candle I can add C13.

 

[ChristineM]

Being an Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim I never had such concept. Quran does not mention it.

Regards

OK

 

[dianaiad]

And as I said, I am sure there is no life on any other place in the universe.
This is just my opinion, and guess what?
I might be proven wrong and life might be discovered somewhere in 2 years.
And it will not be a problem to me at all.

Ah, thank you. There's quite a difference between "I know" and "I am sure." I can absolutely respect "I am sure." I'm sure about a lot of things that I don't claim absolute knowledge of, myself.

 

[dad]

"the universe folds up like a scroll one day"

Quran mentions it:

[21:105]یَوۡمَ نَطۡوِی السَّمَآءَ کَطَیِّ السِّجِلِّ لِلۡکُتُبِ ؕ کَمَا بَدَاۡنَاۤ اَوَّلَ خَلۡقٍ نُّعِیۡدُہٗ ؕ وَعۡدًا عَلَیۡنَا ؕ اِنَّا کُنَّا فٰعِلِیۡنَ ﴿۱۰۵﴾
Remember the day when We shall roll up the heavens like the rolling up of written scrolls by a scribe. As We began the first creation, so shall We repeat it — a promise binding upon Us; We shall certainly perform it.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 21: Al-Anbiya'

Regards

Interesting, but then again that book was written centuries after the Scriptures, so that may be more like an echo.

 

[dad]

I see.

Well, I don't think I agree with your interpretation of things.

No problem, but you still have the fact that there will be new heavens and the old ones will pass away. Can't avoid that one. Doesn't seem to mention life created elsewhere.