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What’s your main reason for being a theist or an atheist?
- Thread starter Dawnofhope
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God has created us and the universe to enable us to know and to worship Him, whether as individuals or communities. Tests are there to strengthen and purify us spiritually. The Baha’i Writings emphasise death shall eventually come upon us all and we will all be called to give account to Him. Best we are well tested in this world to enable to meet our Lord in the world to come. Much of what troubles us in this world will simple vanish in the next.
This is just empty proselytizing. An atheist is not going to take these claims on faith or belief. Show it to be reasonable by evidence, or else you've shown your bias in the creation of this thread.
Oh and i should not be the one telling you this, as you're a staff member: But go read the forum rules for the debate section, please. Would save a lot of time and effort on your part.
Just spewing Baha'i belief. What's new? Start some fake discussion, wait awhile, and then it starts. For awhile there I thought you had it figured out, but then again am I surprised?
Sure, and it can also be applied to someone who wears sweaters, but I'd still be confused by the term "sweater-wearing fundamentalist."
If you describe a belief system with the term "fundamentalist," I'll probably know what you're getting at, but since atheism isn't a belief system, I really have no idea.
Not to mention the first line of that link is:
"Fundamentalism usually has a religious connotation that indicates unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs."
Funny how for fundies that's not an indication of anything. They still think it applies to non-worldviews.
I've never met an atheist with "unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs." Unless they're actual crazy people.
In fact, i can count the number of atheists i've met / seen who outright DENY god with 2 fingers.
My comments and responses are to @CG Didymus who has asked me specific questions about my faith.
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what’s-your-main-reason-for-being-a-theist-or-an-atheist.224418/page-20#post-6290003
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what’s-your-main-reason-for-being-a-theist-or-an-atheist.224418/page-23#post-6292008
I don't think you're answering him with full honesty though. Instead of explaining it to him, you just make assertions and claims. With neither logical proof or evidence forthcoming.
But i'm also talking about the thread in general. I can give you examples of you trying to proselytize from the first page of this thread, until the very last. Do you want me to begin? You did not start this thread with a honest motive. That much is certain. Your very FIRST post in this thread is testament to this.
You are incapable of understanding the opposing viewpoint. That's pretty much it.
You mean explaining my Bahá’i perspective when specifically asked to do so.
No, when starting threads with bull**** like this:
No, those aren't your god's concerns or love. Those are your CLAIMS regarding those things. HUGE difference.
You say you believe in a god, then make specific claims of this god. No, the specific claims are beliefs ALSO.
You've been doing it for the entire thread. In fact, for most of your posting history. That's what Baha'i DO. They deny proselytizing while proselytizing harder than ANY other group.
/E: Look, i don't mean to sound this incensed. I do respect you personally, since you always seem to keep your head cool, at least cooler than mine.
But i am rather sick of propaganda.
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Gee, I must have missed that. (groan)
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
- If they were not this, then they may have been ignorant, just following what was the common belief at that time.
- It is a good advice but I do not know if it suits Abrahamic religions.
- I understand that. Sarmad was beheaded in India during Aurangzeb's time. Mansoor Al-Hallaj was beheaded in 922.
"He was first punched in the face by his executioner, then lashed until unconscious, and then decapitated or hanged." But some escape such a fate.
But you see, claims do not stop in Abrahamic religions. They are the norm because no proof is required. Any one can claim to be anything.
"According to seminary expert, Mehdi Ghafari, more than 3,000 fake Mahdis were in prison in Iran in 2012." Muhammad al-Mahdi - Wikipedia
- What I have written is not at all theistic because I do not take Brahman to be a God. I have explained this in the forum many times. What you say about death is true - it comes to all living beings except perhaps some micro-organisms, and it is also true that there is no rebirth or raising of the dead in the presence of God after death, it is only chemical recycling.
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That's quite the stat. I wonder how many were self-proclaimed with no followers versus self-proclaimed with followers.
I think it is safe to assume they were all self-proclaimed.
Given this stat, it's amazing that people still insist that their guy is THE guy.
Did the report indicate if there were any females, or is this strictly a male ego thing?
Phaedrus
Active Member
I wanted to impart some of my wisdom on this Messenger nonsense. According to the faith, one of the evidences for the religion's veracity is the Messenger who seems to be the mediator between the divine and the rest of humanity.
The gullibility needed to accept that a Messenger is imparting anything relating to reality is astounding. As has been stated already, we have evidences of conmen, yes that is what they are, creating religions merely to gain followers for what they personally perceive to be reality.
Reality cannot be warped via vibing with conceptualized woo, but try telling that to those who prefer the comfort of irrational faith.
The gullibility needed to accept that a Messenger is imparting anything relating to reality is astounding. As has been stated already, we have evidences of conmen, yes that is what they are, creating religions merely to gain followers for what they personally perceive to be reality.
Reality cannot be warped via vibing with conceptualized woo, but try telling that to those who prefer the comfort of irrational faith.
I can tell you for certain Adrian that the day I hear a good, strong argument from an Atheist, is not a day that will ever come. It's kinda disappointing in a way, since Atheism tries to hype itself up so much. All Atheists have is explaining things away to their proposed dogma and of course "the glass is not half full, it's half empty".
Most Atheists I've read on this thread are just fundamentalists and as fundamentalists will never see how their hilarious arguments are not against the topic they think they're refuting.
Anyway, what this thread has proven (as have other argument spots on the net) is that Atheists in general are merely angered, opinionated people without much going for them.
I was unpleasantly surprised to find that @adrian009 rated this post "friendly". It's anything but friendly, it's pretty darned arrogant.
Ignorant as well. How many times must it be repeated? Non-theism is not an assertion, it is the lack of one. There is no argument for it, there's no reason to have one. It's the people making religious assertions who need arguments to support their claims.
This is not the first time that this has been explained. But for some reason theists commonly cannot see the obvious, even when it's right in front of their nose.
Tom
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Very scientific of them. Humans have souls, animals not, and the vegetation is not in the picture at all. Any proof of what you believe ..
Ah, yes, .. so spake Bahaullah.
**** it, Man.In India too, we have as many fake God men as the number of street dogs. There are enough fools in the world.
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Bob the Unbeliever
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Yes you did-- by failing to re-define the word "clear" into how you actually used it: "obscure"
Bob the Unbeliever
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Way, way back? Assembly's of God-- but even then I was one of the leaders of whichever group I was in. Sometimes I dominated the group, simply because everyone else was passive. Sometimes it was in cooperation with others.
Lucky for me? I was removed from that incredibly toxic hate-cult before too much damage was done -- make no mistake -- super-evangelic "christian" cults are absolutely toxic to everyone. Even the poor ministers are victims, most of the time.
My parents, in a fit of rational thought, left and we landed in Methodism. I will forever more, have a soft spot for liberal Methodists. It was under the Methodist not nearly as toxic culture, that I really came into enjoying being a leader. I taught a sunday school class of wee littles for many years-- what I enjoyed most, was story telling. Kids are not judgmental like adults, and they like stories. I used a Zen kind of line-art to chalk-draw pictures to go with the stories. That was my favorite time, as I did not pay all that much attention to "is this rational?" or "do these things make sense?" If you don't look under the hood, but just enjoy the thin gloss of paint covering up the filth, rust and gore underneath? Christianity isn't all that bad, is it?
But just as Medical Professionals had to take pause, when confronted with medical data gathered by horrific treatment of humans-- sometimes torture and death was involved -- and many people rejected the data as tainted, demanding it be discarded, regardless of any possible good it may or may not contain. I sometimes think they were right-- alas-- the majority opinion did not agree.
So, due to the liberal theology of Methodists, I was not forced to look closely at the B.S. that all christianity is based on. Or worse-- the even more depraved memes that **any** theology must cling to, to preserve the Dogma-- for many decades.
Everything takes Second Fiddle to Preserving The Dogma.
<insert image of a Zombie shuffling forward-- arms outstretched-- grasping for something that isn't there: Truth>
Must .... Preserve.... Dogma... Regardless ... of ... Victims...
.... yes... even children are sacrificed to Preserve The Dogma.
Do I really need to list the examples of child sacrifice, here in the USA, to Preserve The Dogma?
Bob the Unbeliever
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Yes-- you explained the IMMORAL reason: Special Favorites-- Teacher's Pets.
Unfair. Your god is evil. Gotcha.
Bob the Unbeliever
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IF these people actually existed as described? (Highly-- HIGHLY doubtful. For the first three? It's doubtful there are even any mundane examples, either)
But. If they did exist as mere mortals? Then absolutely: Con Jobs, all. (especially that last dude-- he's kinda creepy-weird.)