Planned Parenthood at it again!

[Twilight Hue]

Tell that to the icecream man.

Just because a contract is voidable does not mean it is worthless. Moreover, not all contracts children enter are voidable.

Before this gets too far off the beaten track, the whole point being is that parents have a distinct right to know what their children are doing and what has happened with them.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It's just saying that contracts with children are legally worthless without an adult.

Medical consent doesn't work like legal contracts. Children can opt out of or opt into medical treatment without parent or guardian consent. Which is good, because it prevents parents from, for example, denying medical care to their kids for religious (or woo) reasons. And likewise allows kids to opt out of their fifth excruciating cancer treatment even when their parents badly want them to do it.
The exact policy is handled on a case by case basis but parents should not be the end all be all deciders of medical treatment, for obvious reasons.

 

[Curious George]

Before this gets too far off the beaten track, the whole point being is that parents have a distinct right to know what their children are doing and what has happened with them.

In some cases yes. In others no. Again this can vary based on age and state. I understand you want it to be that simple, but it is not.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How Planned Parenthood can get away with it without parental authorization is astonishing.

Because medical privacy is legally weighted very heavily towards patient confidentiality. And it started going towards even minors in so minors can seek medical attention if they're parents won't.

 

[SomeRandom]

Parents or guardians have rights regarding access to records and information. The exact ins and outs vary by both age and location. But kids rights are more limited than adults. This doesn't mean that kids have no rights as many seem to think.

A parent could be the one impregnating the child! A minor should be able to access medical facilities without fear of being abused or kicked out. Given what I’ve been told, I naturally assumed that PP can’t do anything with regards to a minor’s information. But I don’t know. That’s what it’s like where I live.

 

[SomeRandom]

So... they need parental permission to get married under the age of 16-18 but no permission needed to have sex and get an abortion... something just doesn't add up.

Actually, if you listen to the video one person says "This is how you can skirt the law". And by law, an underage pregnancy should be reported in case of rape or sex trade.

Well kids have sex. No need to make it unnecessarily hard for them to seek medical attention, if required. If I walked into my local clinic at age like 15 and asked for an abortion or to get tested for STDs, the clinic is under no obligation to notify my parents/guardians. To do so would be a breach of privacy law. They just treat me and send me on my merry way. That’s how it works here, as far as I know.
Having sex doesn’t require a contract, like marriage. So no, I don’t find it odd for minors to require parental consent for marriage but not for an abortion.

I can’t comment on whether if rape was suspected. Perhaps the workers assumed they were talking about runaways. Maybe they went straight to the cops afterwards. I don’t know.
We’re taught to play along until we can notify authorities where I work. But I don’t know how it works with American health insurance.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It would be interesting to know what actual parents think of their kids going to a place with strangers and going wink-wink-nudge-nudge your mom and dad doesn't have to ever know.

 

[SomeRandom]

The very fact that they're doing business with a minor is highly illegal in itself. I would wager Planned Parenthood could be successfully sued for everything they're worth.

In the US minors cannot enter contracts or agreements much less a healthcare authorization for a procedure.

Parents have a right to know what their own children are doing at all times until they're of age and you don't have to be a parent to realize that.

I contend that a parent has no rights over their children’s bodies. They’re not legal property

I can’t comment on whether they can be sued or not though.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's the Socialists advocating that kids aren't your own. The kids are theirs, not yours to tell what they can and cannot do.

Children are human beings, not property. A minor shouldn't need a parent's permission to get an abortion. You have cases of parents trying to pressure their children into an abortion (like my mom's parents when she was pregnant with my sister and they wanted to take her to get a back alley abortion in NYC before Roe legalized it) and there's also cases of rape or incest when the parents don't want others to find out about it. No, minors should have the right to make their own reproductive choices.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I contend that a parent has no rights over their children’s bodies. They’re not legal property

I can’t comment on whether they can be sued or not though.

Did you know parents can be charged for the physical actions of their children in places? Including but not limited to civil parental liability.

It also would be interesting in light of the case of Pierce v. Society of Sisters.

I would say consequently and legally a parent has every right over their minor children including their physical selves until they're of age where they're considered adults.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

PP has ventured too far across the line in its support of, and referrals to, abortion.

I am ambivalent on the abortion question, but I do classify it as outside the normative parameters of birth control. Once you want, or need, a pregnancy termination, you've moved out of the purview of birth control, because the insemination-zygote-embryo-fetal process has already begun, with all the potential blessings and problems that it carries with it.

Abortion is a form of birth control. Mistakes happen.A large percentage of pregnancies are aborted by the body before anyone even knows they're pregnant, anyway.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A facebook video is evidence of something? Not to me.

It is evidence that someone probably faked an encounter. Seriously what pimp openly states that they are in sex work?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would say consequently and legally a parent has every right over their minor children including their physical selves until they're of age where they're considered adults.

And that leads to kids not getting needed treatment. We're having to fight to legally consider it child abuse when a parents refuses and prays for their child exclusively. Sometimes the kid needlessly does as a result.

 

[Curious George]

A parent could be the one impregnating the child! A minor should be able to access medical facilities without fear of being abused or kicked out. Given what I’ve been told, I naturally assumed that PP can’t do anything with regards to a minor’s information. But I don’t know. That’s what it’s like where I live.

And that doesn't change anything i said. You seemed unaware, i gave information.

 

[Curious George]

I contend that a parent has no rights over their children’s bodies. They’re not legal property

I can’t comment on whether they can be sued or not though.

Parents have the legal right to make medical decisions for their child

 

[sun rise]

Parents have the legal right to make medical decisions for their child

True except when it puts the child at risk of dying or seriously impacts other people such as refusing vaccinations which could kill a child who cannot take the vaccine and gets sick.

Rights always are balanced by responsibilities and are never absolute.

 

[Curious George]

True except when it puts the child at risk of dying or seriously impacts other people such as refusing vaccinations which could kill a child who cannot take the vaccine and gets sick.

Rights always are balanced by responsibilities and are never absolute.

Yes the exception is when the child is harmed or in eminent danger of being harmed. These are abuse laws in action. However, what I said is still true. The idea that "parents have no rights over a child's body" is absurd.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Parents have the legal right to make medical decisions for their child

Not always. When the wellbeing of the child is in risk, child services intervention, when abuse is suspected, and in numerous places reproductive health because patients refuse to see their teenagers as interested in sex and sexually active. Which in many cases does poor their health and wellbeing at risk.

 

[Curious George]

Not always. When the wellbeing of the child is in risk, child services intervention, when abuse is suspected, and in numerous places reproductive health because patients refuse to see their teenagers as interested in sex and sexually active. Which in many cases does poor their health and wellbeing at risk.

See above reply

 

[Shadow Wolf]

See above reply

See my post. Patents very typically don't when talk to their kids about sex, and refuse them related services. That's also why there is a position that parents can bugger off when it comes to refusing to let schools teach sex education.