TagliatelliMonster
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sense of awe and wonder
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I don't get it...
So you're just really contructing an argument from awe / incredulity / ignorance? Sounds like it.
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sense of awe and wonder
So, if you were burned from head to toe in a car crash, disfigured by scar tissue, had no ability to grow hair, and two amputated limbs, but while in the hospital somebody laid their hands on you and prayed over you, and the scar tissue left, your limbs were restored, and your baldness replaced with a full head of hair, would you consider the possibility that God exists, especially since you used your new limbs to run around the hospital twice, and heard a voice loudly and clearly say, “I am God”, and proceeded to tell you some of what is true about him, and there was no one else to be seen nearby.
Would you still be an atheist? Would you start praying?
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I don't get it...
So you're just really contructing an argument from awe / incredulity / ignorance? Sounds like it.
This isn't necessarily directed toward you, but it made me think ...My body has just instantly regenerated and there is a lot of evidence that this is not possible. I've also heard god speaking to me. The main argument against god's existence is a lack of evidence, I've just had some evidence that he does.
It's not magical thinking if my body has just magically regenerated. I've not seen any evidence that religious people are less happy on average, so don't see that as a major downside. A reasonable chance at eternal hellfire as opposed to eternal bliss, is a pretty big downside.
As I said earlier, assuming he tells me which is the right religion, I'd become an adherent. It would be stupidly irrational not to.
Put it this way, if there was even a 1% chance that a gangster wanted to kidnap and brutally torture you for 40 years and you could do something to possibly prevent it, would you: a) do something to prevent it even if that something is a minor inconvenience b) do nothing and hope for the best.
yes, awe, incredulity and ignorance.
How did something come from nothing
when nothing was really NOTHING, ie no time, space, physical laws, energy etc..
Awe that everything in the universe has a physical reason, but there's no reason (?) for the beginning.
Incredulity that Genesis 1 gives us the precise sequence of events, but in theological language.
Why is it that we leap directly to divine sources and gods instead of other potential sources like aliens or invisible pixies or something else like that? Why do we assume those options are less likely than some divine super power that lives beyond time and space (or whatever)?
But how do we know it's the voice of God, and not the voice of an alien or a pixie? What does God's voice even sound like? What does an alien sound like?In this case it was the fact that the miracle was immediately followed by hearing the voice of god.
If it was followed by me speaking to an alien who said he'd cured me, I'd be inclined to give aliens the credit unless someone presented me with a more reasonable explanation
But how do we know it's the voice of God, and not the voice of an alien or a pixie? What does God's voice even sound like? What does an alien sound like?
I am open to miracles. The universe is a mystery and full of miracles, and when one was healed, as described in the OP, that would be a miracle too. Not too much to attribute this to God IMO. And feeling of awe and wonder seems spot on to me.??
I don't get it...
So you're just really contructing an argument from awe / incredulity / ignorance? Sounds like it.
The OP posits a ridiculous hypothetical that is unworthy of a serious answer.
Okay. But I'm still not sure why god(s) would be more plausible than pixies or aliens who think they're gods. Or maybe the trickster god Loki is talking to you. There are equal amounts of evidence (or lack thereof) for all of them, as far as I'm concerned.Contingent on the fact that I've just experienced by far the most miraculous event in human history, if a voice said "I'm god, I healed you so would appreciate it if you became an Anglican/Shiite/Mormon/etc. and if you don't I'll be angry and cook you in hell for all of eternity" I'd consider that it makes far more sense to assume it was god rather than invisible pixies playing a jape.
It also doesn't "give us the precise sequence of events," either.But Genesis doesn't describe something coming from nothing. It describes God creating the world out of water.
So, if you were burned from head to toe in a car crash, disfigured by scar tissue, had no ability to grow hair, and two amputated limbs, but while in the hospital somebody laid their hands on you and prayed over you, and the scar tissue left, your limbs were restored, and your baldness replaced with a full head of hair, would you consider the possibility that God exists, especially since you used your new limbs to run around the hospital twice, and heard a voice loudly and clearly say, “I am God”, and proceeded to tell you some of what is true about him, and there was no one else to be seen nearby.
Would you still be an atheist? Would you start praying?
Would you still be an atheist? Would you start praying?
Of course it is evidence. Evidence =/= proof.
Hearing god directly tell you about the one true faith immediately after an assumedly impossible event occurring certainly is evidence. Until a better explanation is presented, I'd consider it the most likely.
With asymmetric payoffs, you can be far from certain about something yet it is still rational to assume it may happen.
I'm of the opinion that it makes far more sense to assume it was god than was not god. You think that absent 100% certainty it better to assume it was not god. It's a difference in philosophy regarding uncertainty.
I'm not 100% certain man-made global warming is happening, but I still think it prudent to assume it is until proven otherwise as the costs of being wrong are too great.
Anyway, it's not like the OP scenario is actually going to happen
Probably not to a Skeptic ThinkerHas anything like that ever happened? Ever?
Strange they missed that part, maybe they were even hallucinating when reading the OP.I was talking about a jog outside of the hospital
Pardon?Probably not to a Skeptic Thinker
No. Not what I said.Pardon?
You don't think that wondering when such a thing has ever happened in the history of humankind is a skeptical position?
I'm asking you to explain what you said because I don't understand what you were trying to say.No. Not what I said.
So, if you were burned from head to toe in a car crash, disfigured by scar tissue, had no ability to grow hair, and two amputated limbs, but while in the hospital somebody laid their hands on you and prayed over you, and the scar tissue left, your limbs were restored, and your baldness replaced with a full head of hair, would you consider the possibility that God exists, especially since you used your new limbs to run around the hospital twice, and heard a voice loudly and clearly say, “I am God”, and proceeded to tell you some of what is true about him, and there was no one else to be seen nearby.
Would you still be an atheist? Would you start praying?
Has anything like that ever happened? Ever?
Probably not to a Skeptic Thinker
Pardon?
You don't think that wondering when such a thing has ever happened in the history of humankind is a skeptical position?
No. Not what I said.
PopeADope: He creates an incredible unbelievable hypothesisI'm asking you to explain what you said because I don't understand what you were trying to say.