Blaming the innocent...

[ChristineM]

sorry

science is great....I like it....but
It can flip flop

in today's internet headlines......a star that is older than the universe

that's right

and the article notes science is looking for NEW physics to explain the observation

sometimes.....science
makes it up as they go about it

Saw that in yesterday's headlines, and the articles goes on to explain possibilities. There are several.

Note the aging of the star is made, in this case by its iron content. The assumption is the HD 140283 formed before metals formed. Nothing strange in that, all the first stars formed before metal formed. Lower atomic weight metals is a product of those stars dying. What i find fascinating is that the star still exists.

No flip flop about it.

 

[Thief]

I already stated planets, solar systems and galaxies are rotating, did you not bother to read that or did you deliberately forget just so you can post your insult.

BTW, so are superclusters but the universe itself isn't

so you would concede.....some things rotate

but not the whole thing

maybe you could meditate some more...…..

 

[Thief]

The assumption is

I like assumptions..

but that's not evidence

I assume there is a God

but at least I am using cause and effect

Spirit first

substance as creation

 

[ChristineM]

so you would concede.....some things rotate

but not the whole thing

maybe you could meditate some more...…..

Read my posts, i already stated some things rotate and provided a link as to why... Gravity

The universe does not care about meditation

 

[ChristineM]

I like assumptions..

but that's not evidence

I assume there is a God

but at least I am using cause and effect

Spirit first

substance as creation

What cause and effect demands god as a cause?

None

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

so.....if it moves really really fast...…...it's not an explosion?

or maybe explosions don't expand?

or maybe you want a word game?

*sigh*.... go read up on the Big Bang theory. Come back when you've actually studied the actual theory, instead of garbage creationist lying sites.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

well THAT was a leap and stretch....

don't hurt yourself

and try not to get reported for personal attacks

hehehehee

theists are so thin skinned.... anytime someone calls them out on their inability to prove what they claim...

 

[Kenny]

QUOTE="Bob the Unbeliever, post: 6246326, member: 61845"]Indeed-- apparently you still do-- you think infinite harm is funny.[/QUOTE]
Could you please reference the quote?

Except when he does nothing of the sort-- but screw those guys, right? Your god seems to ignore 90% of the planet like that....

... but YOU got YOURS so 3#(O)%)#$# those other guys. Right?

I don't quite see it that way... perspective?

But Jesus did make a great statement. He said "12 When Jesus overheard this, he spoke up and said, “Healthy people don’t need` to see a doctor, but the sick will go for treatment.” 13 Then he added, “Now you should go and study the meaning of the verse: I want you to show mercy, not just offer me a sacrifice. For I have come to invite the outcasts of society and sinners, not those who think they are already on the right path.”

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Meaningless drivel.

I find it quite applicable

 

[Thief]

What cause and effect demands god as a cause?

None

substance is not.....self...creating or
self.....motivated

Spirit First

 

[ChristineM]

substance is not.....self...creating or
self.....motivated

Spirit First

You are welcome to your beliefs.ere

Here is a paper on how substance can possibly create from nothing
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

And here is an article on another way
Ask Ethan: Can We Really Get A Universe From Nothing?

 

[Thief]

You are welcome to your beliefs.ere

Here is a paper on how substance can possibly create from nothing
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

And here is an article on another way
Ask Ethan: Can We Really Get A Universe From Nothing?

the second article touches but did not grip the notion

at the POINT of the primordial singularity...…..the void

at the formation of the secondary......infinity is immediate
at hand
the expansion begins

and with two points in play...….axial rotation is also in play

and let's not be shallow
once the rotation begins.....there is no restraint to flow of motion north or south
hence the inception of spiral

 

[ChristineM]

the second article touches but did not grip the notion

at the POINT of the primordial singularity...…..the void

at the formation of the secondary......infinity is immediate
at hand
the expansion begins

and with two points in play...….axial rotation is also in play

and let's not be shallow
once the rotation begins.....there is no restraint to flow of motion north or south
hence the inception of spiral

No universe rotation. NONE. This is physically observed in the CMB.

 

[Thief]

No universe rotation. NONE. This is physically observed in the CMB.

all things......ALL things would be moving in a straight line
if it began as you say

and the expansion would be uniform……..perfect
spherical
and empty

 

[ChristineM]

all things......ALL things would be moving in a straight line
if it began as you say

and the expansion would be uniform……..perfect
spherical
and empty

All observations that have been made using the most powerful telescopes show that the universe looks the same in all directions. The average density of galaxies is the same throughout theuniverse and does not change with distance or direction. This is called the Cosmological Principle.​

The Universe Adventure - The Homogenous and Isotropic Universe


Cosmological principle - Wikipedia

 

[Thief]

All observations that have been made using the most powerful telescopes show that the universe looks the same in all directions. The average density of galaxies is the same throughout theuniverse and does not change with distance or direction. This is called the Cosmological Principle.​

The Universe Adventure - The Homogenous and Isotropic Universe


Cosmological principle - Wikipedia

what.....no orbits?

no spirals?

no axial rotations?

no galaxies colliding?

seems to me......too many curvatures to make declaration as you do

 

[ChristineM]

what.....no orbits?

no spirals?

no axial rotations?

no galaxies colliding?

seems to me......too many curvatures to make declaration as you do

Sheesh. How many times? Planets, solar systems, galaxies, super clusters rotate because of gravitational effects, the universe doesn't

 

[Thief]

Sheesh. How many times? Planets, solar systems, galaxies, super clusters rotate because of gravitational effects, the universe doesn't

and the straight line you want to believe in.....point a to b

where is it?

 

[ChristineM]

and the straight line you want to believe in.....point a to b

where is it?

Your misunderstanding of the universe is not my problem, i have provided info on the CMB, and a link to explain the cosmological principal. No point in going further

 

[Thief]

I will stick to my point
from the primordial onward

 

[ChristineM]

I will stick to my point
from the primordial onward

Your prerogative.