Sex before marriage?????

[JJ50]

Some years ago on another religious forum now defunct, I remember asking an extreme Christian member, who admitted he was posting his proselytising garbage on it whilst he was supposed to be working, how he excused himself as he was robbing his employer of his time. He replied that doing god's work was much more important than his job.

 

[ChristineM]

Some years ago on another religious forum now defunct, I remember asking an extreme Christian member, who admitted he was posting his proselytising garbage on it whilst he was supposed to be working, how he excused himself as he was robbing his employer of his time. He replied that doing god's work was much more important than his job.

Perhaps i know him. I certainly know a christian who spent most of his working day posting using his companies internet. When he was fired for not doing his job and stealing the company's bandwidth he says he prayed and god forgave him. When he started a new job he repeated his same actions using company time and resources for his honest religious practices.

God forgives him... Sheesh

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Only you are using emotional terms here, fetus's are not babies. And of course unwanted pregnancy and hence abortion occur after marriage too.

Straw man.

Well, it seems to depend on whether the baby is wanted or not. You know very well that if the baby is wanted, the fetus is referred to as the baby.

 

[ChristineM]

Well, it seems to depend on whether the baby is wanted or not. You know very well that if the baby is wanted, the fetus is referred to as the baby.

Referred to and lagally (and medically) defined as are 2 different things

 

[JJ50]

Perhaps i know him. I certainly know a christian who spent most of his working day posting using his companies internet. When he was fired for not doing his job and stealing the company's bandwidth he says he prayed and god forgave him. When he started a new job he repeated his same actions using company time and resources for his honest religious practices.

God forgives him... Sheesh

When one is working one should not be messing around on forums, social media extra, that is stealing.

 

[ChristineM]

When one is working one should not be messing around on forums, social media extra, that is stealing.

And thats why he was fired... But god told him he was forgiven

 

[Trailblazer]

Bahá’u’lláh said it should not be revealed. If Bahá’u’lláh did not reveal it, how could Abdu’l-Baha be more specific? If Abdu’l-Baha was more specific when Bahá’u’lláh did not want it revealed, isn't Abdu’l-Baha going against the wishes of Bahá’u’lláh?

Baha’u’llah wrote:
“The mysteries of man’s physical death and of his return have not been divulged, and still remain unread.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 345

Baha’u’llah also wrote:
“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157

Then Abdu’l-Baha wrote:

“The answer to the third question is this, that in the other world the human reality doth not assume a physical form, rather doth it take on a heavenly form, made up of elements of that heavenly realm.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 194

Abdu'l-Baha did not reveal he mysteries of man’s physical death and of his return to God, all he did was elaborate a little bit on the form the soul will take, that it will be heavenly rather than physical.

 

[Trailblazer]

That's a nonsensical comment.

What’s the Difference Between a Psychic and a Medium? - Sharon Farber
Many people are confused as to how a medium differs from a psychic. This is complicated by the fact that mediums are psychic, some psychics are mediums, and many people offer both psychic and mediumship readings, sometimes in the same session.

Okay fair enough. What I really meant to say is that some psychics like the ones you see on TV who claim they are getting communication from family members are probably frauds whereas there are those who I consider mediums who really got communication from the spiritual world. I cannot say I know they actually got that communication from the spiritual world but what lends them credibility is how closely their stories line up with what was written by Baha’u’llah and Abdu’l-Baha.

You really should do a little research before posting. Uri Geller, one of the best-known psychics, wrote over a dozen books. Writing books is easy, especially using a ghost-writer. The books sell because of the notoriety of the author. Easy extra money. There are hundreds of books written by psychics on Amazon.

But just as with prophets, just because most prophets were false, that does not mean ALL Prophets have been false. It would be a red flag for me if a psychic was well known and wrote a lot of books because that would indicate they were in it for the money.

It might seem like it, but I am not really into psychic stuff. I just happened to stumble upon the three books I sent you links to and I find them credible because they correlate to what the Baha’i Faith teaches about the afterlife. I certainly do not consider them the gospel truth but they give me food for thought.

That's not what you said earlier:

"We can distinguish them by looking at their motives."

I meant possible motives but in fact some of the authors did divulge their motives for writings what they did.

Uh huh.

Michael E. Tymn - RationalWikiTymn is a 1958 graduate of the San Jose State University School of Journalism. He has contributed more than 1,500 articles to 40 publications over the past 50 years although the majority of these publications are paranormal related. His metaphysical and paranormal articles appear in FATE, Mysteries, Atlantis Rising, Vital Signs, Venture Inward, Nexus, Psychic News, Psychic Times and the Christian Parapsychologist. He is currently resident of Kailua, Hawaii.

Tymn has a religious background and now describes himself as an "unorthodox Christian".[3] He co-runs White Crow Books, a spiritualist publishing company that claims fraudulent historical mediums were genuine.[4]

And so? Did you read what he said his motive was for writing The Afterlife Revealed? I think he had a sincere motive, to offer a reasonable alternative to the heaven and hell beliefs of many Christians.

 

[Trailblazer]

Nonsense. You've already stated that while your friends are lounging on the beach, you are here because you feel it is your calling to save others.

I do not deny that I would like it if some atheists became believers, but not in the sense you put it, of being saved. And I have a firm belief in free will and that everyone should make their own choices so I certainly am not trying to convert anyone. That’s why when atheists ask me to prove to them that God exists or prove to them that Baha’u’llah was a Messenger of God, I tell them that is not my job, because Baha’u’llah wrote that the faith of no man can be conditioned by anyone except himself.

From what I have seen and heard, most Baha’is are busy with Baha’i activities and teaching the Faith as it is called is just one thing “some Baha’is” do. I might be wrong, but I do not think most Baha’is take it as seriously as I do. But how much clearer can Baha’u’llah be than this?

“O ye beloved of God! Repose not yourselves on your couches, nay bestir yourselves as soon as ye recognize your Lord, the Creator, and hear of the things which have befallen Him, and hasten to His assistance. Unloose your tongues, and proclaim unceasingly His Cause. This shall be better for you than all the treasures of the past and of the future, if ye be of them that comprehend this truth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 330

“Gird up the loins of thine endeavor, that haply thou mayest guide thy neighbor to the law of God, the Most Merciful. Such an act, verily, excelleth all other acts in the sight of God, the All-Possessing, the Most High. Such must be thy steadfastness in the Cause of God, that no earthly thing whatsoever will have the power to deter thee from thy duty. Though the powers of earth be leagued against thee, though all men dispute with thee, thou must remain unshaken.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 339

Then the Bab wrote the following:

“Wert thou to open the heart of a single soul by helping him to embrace the Cause of Him Whom God shall make manifest, thine inmost being would be filled with the inspirations of that august Name. It devolveth upon you, therefore, to perform this task in the Days of Resurrection, inasmuch as most people are helpless, and wert thou to open their hearts and dispel their doubts, they would gain admittance into the Faith of God. Therefore, manifest thou this attribute to the utmost of thine ability in the days of Him Whom God shall make manifest. For indeed if thou dost open the heart of a person for His sake, better will it be for thee than every virtuous deed; since deeds are secondary to faith in Him and certitude in His Reality. XVII, 15.”
Selections From the Writings of the Báb, p. 133

Clearly, I have my matching orders, and I take them very seriously. I do not care what other Baha’is do, I have never cared what others do, why I am called Trailblazer.

“Be not grieved if thou performest it thyself alone. Let God be all-sufficient for thee. Commune intimately with His Spirit, and be thou of the thankful. Proclaim the Cause of thy Lord unto all who are in the heavens and on the earth. Should any man respond to thy call, lay bare before him the pearls of the wisdom of the Lord, thy God, which His Spirit hath sent down unto thee, and be thou of them that truly believe. And should any one reject thine offer, turn thou away from him, and put thy trust and confidence in the Lord, thy God, the Lord of all worlds.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 280

Name one. Show where he/she said "they would like to believe in God if they only had the evidence." That isn't what atheists say. That's what theists would like to believe atheists say.

Holy moly! ~~~ This is practically all atheists say, at least to me. Sorry, I cannot quote atheists from other forums because that is not right. They posted to me on other forums in confidence. Sure, they are public forums, but it is bad practice to take posts from one forum to another forum. But it is not only on the “other forums” where atheists have said this. They have also said it on RF. I am not saying that ALL atheists would like to believe in God if they had the evidence, since some atheists probably have no interest in God. But if they don’t have any interest in God, why is this forum comprised of as many atheists as believers? Hmmmmm.....

This would be a great topic for a new thread:

“Atheists: Would you like to believe in God if there was good evidence for God?”

I could post it but I am not sure I want to have another new thread wherein I am fielding posts day and night, after what happened last Friday night. Besides, I promised @ Left Coast that I would start a thread entitled “Evidence that Baha’u’llah was a Messenger of God”and it keeps getting waylaid by other threads and posts I have to answer.

It's that kind of belief system that makes me thank god that I'm an atheist.

Do you realize that you just said that you thank god you are an atheist.
Maybe that was a Freudian slip.

Have you ever heard the saying “I tried to have a nice day once, it didn’t work?”

Well, I tried to be an atheist more than once, but it didn’t work. It was my husband who is a devout Baha’i who keeps telling me I should become an atheist, since I get angry at God so much.

 

[BilliardsBall]

WTF are you rabbiting about, i gave facts, just because you ignore prostate cancer does not make it go away. Whiners? It is the second biggest killer of men in the world. Not comprehending reality may be your problem here.

Note, if you are a god believer, the biggest cause of spontaneous abortion, miscarriage etc is god. You are close, have word with him about it.

Oh but wait, your god is the guy who willingly killed every single feotus on planet earth during the supposed flood, Sheesh a million feotus's annually is small change to him.


Also note. A feotus is not a child, said it before, will say it again. You may misrepresent to appeal to emotion but it does not help your case when you are not being factual

Does sex help prostate issues, or is it just ejaculation? Do you know God made it so men have noctural emissions at times if they don't have sex?

Are your comments about God justification for one non-medically necessary abortion?

 

[ChristineM]

Does sex help prostate issues, or is it just ejaculation? Do you know God made it so men have noctural emissions at times if they don't have sex?

Are your comments about God justification for one non-medically necessary abortion?

Wet dreams aside, my comments are nothing to do with religious woo but everything to do with evidence.

And do you have any evidence for god making men ejaculate? Because it is a well studied phenomena and no god has ever been seen

 

[ecco]

Bahá’u’lláh said it should not be revealed. If Bahá’u’lláh did not reveal it, how could Abdu’l-Baha be more specific? If Abdu’l-Baha was more specific when Bahá’u’lláh did not want it revealed, isn't Abdu’l-Baha going against the wishes of Bahá’u’lláh?

Abdu'l-Baha did not reveal he mysteries of man’s physical death and of his return to God, all he did was elaborate a little bit on the form the soul will take, that it will be heavenly rather than physical.

That doesn't address the question of why Abdu'l-Baha, a mere mortal, would need to or want to or have the authority to or have the knowledge to "elaborate a little bit" on the words of God's Messenger Bahá’u’lláh.

Specifying the form the soul will take: "heavenly rather than physical" is more than just an elaboration.

How does Abdu'l-Baha know this?

Why do you take his word for it?

 

[ecco]

Okay fair enough. What I really meant to say is that some psychics like the ones you see on TV who claim they are getting communication from family members are probably frauds whereas there are those who I consider mediums who really got communication from the spiritual world. I cannot say I know they actually got that communication from the spiritual world but what lends them credibility is how closely their stories line up with what was written by Baha’u’llah and Abdu’l-Baha.

I'm sure you can give me an example of two of mediums whose "stories line up with what was written by Baha’u’llah and Abdu’l-Baha".

But just as with prophets, just because most prophets were false, that does not mean ALL Prophets have been false. It would be a red flag for me if a psychic was well known and wrote a lot of books because that would indicate they were in it for the money.

I do not know anyone’s motives unless they tell me. The man who wrote The Afterlife Revealed stated his motives and I believe him. It makes no sense that his motive would be money given what he wrote

That's what you wrote. Michael Tymn has written over half dozen books. So, do you believe him and his motives or do you now see a red flag?

It might seem like it, but I am not really into psychic stuff. I just happened to stumble upon the three books I sent you links to and I find them credible because they correlate to what the Baha’i Faith teaches about the afterlife. I certainly do not consider them the gospel truth but they give me food for thought.

What specific correlations?

I meant possible motives but in fact some of the authors did divulge their motives for writings what they did.

And so? Did you read what he said his motive was for writing The Afterlife Revealed? I think he had a sincere motive, to offer a reasonable alternative to the heaven and hell beliefs of many Christians.

Are you so gullible and naive that you believe what people say about their motives?

 

[ecco]

Name one. Show where he/she said "they would like to believe in God if they only had the evidence." That isn't what atheists say. That's what theists would like to believe atheists say.

Holy moly! ~~~ This is practically all atheists say, at least to me. Sorry, I cannot quote atheists from other forums because that is not right. ...
But it is not only on the “other forums” where atheists have said this. They have also said it on RF. I am not saying that ALL atheists would like to believe in God if they had the evidence, since some atheists probably have no interest in God.

Then show some from this forum. I've been on RF for three years. I've been on other forums. I've never heard an atheist say: "they would like to believe in God if they only had the evidence." Maybe a stretch would be a tongue-in-cheek: "Sure, I'd like to believe in an afterlife..." followed by: "I'd also like to be able to fly to Venus without a rocket or spacesuit".

 

[ecco]

It's that kind of belief system that makes me thank god that I'm an atheist.

Do you realize that you just said that you thank god you are an atheist.
Maybe that was a Freudian slip.

Maybe you should learn to recognize sarcasm when it is obvious.

 

[ecco]

Have you ever heard the saying “I tried to have a nice day once, it didn’t work?”

Well, I tried to be an atheist more than once, but it didn’t work. It was my husband who is a devout Baha’i who keeps telling me I should become an atheist, since I get angry at God so much.

Your comment is an excellent example of your complete lack of knowledge and understanding of what an atheist is.

People don't try to become atheists. For many Christians who became atheists, it's probably the other way around. They tried to continue believing in God but came to realize it was just too ridiculous.

You didn't try to stop believing in Santa because you got angry over not getting a specific toy or doll. You probably wanted to continue believing even after you started hearing comments from older kids.

 

[JJ50]

Your comment is an excellent example of your complete lack of knowledge and understanding of what an atheist is.

People don't try to become atheists. For many Christians who became atheists, it's probably the other way around. They tried to continue believing in God but came to realize it was just too ridiculous.

You didn't try to stop believing in Santa because you got angry over not getting a specific toy or doll. You probably wanted to continue believing even after you started hearing comments from older kids.

Exactly.

 

[ecco]

And do you have any evidence for god making men ejaculate? Because it is a well studied phenomena and no god has ever been seen

gods? No. Goddesses? Maybe.

 

[ChristineM]

gods? No. Goddesses? Maybe.

Does nothing for me

 

[ecco]

gods? No. Goddesses? Maybe.

Does nothing for me

Then maybe...