Is transitioning (transgender) a sin?

[Shadow Wolf]

I am sorry, you don’t seem to understand what I said.

You seem to not realize you can't get out of this one. The Bible gives us numbers, the math does not work.

Earth means in the Bible dry land. That can be seen as continent. Continents are on top of core of this planet and they are not moving away from the top of the planet.

The Bible doesn't specify "not moving away for the top of the planet." It says the Earth is on a foundation (it is not) and unmoving (it is constantly doing so).

 

[Darkforbid]

You seem to not realize you can't get out of this one. The Bible gives us numbers, the math does not work.

The Bible doesn't specify "not moving away for the top of the planet." It says the Earth is on a foundation (it is not) and unmoving (it is constantly doing so).

The creation story in genesis is not about the whole planet they didn't know they were on one. Its about dry land which doesn't just float it has foundation

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The creation story in genesis is not about the whole planet they didn't know they were on one. Its about dry land which doesn't just float it has foundation

It clearly does mention the entire planet, and the "fixed and unmoving" isn't found in Genesis.

 

[Darkforbid]

It clearly does mention the entire planet, and the "fixed and unmoving" isn't found in Genesis.

10And God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas, and God saw that it was good.

In the creation story earth means dry land in fact it still does, why do you think it say called the dry land then called the water

 

[Shadow Wolf]

10And God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas, and God saw that it was good.

In the creation story earth means dry land in fact it still does, why do you think it say called the dry land then called the water

I know that, and never claimed otherwise. What I stated was the story of Genesis does in fact refer to the entire Earth, and Genesis is not where we find "the Earth is fixed on foundations and unmoving."

 

[Darkforbid]

I know that, and never claimed otherwise. What I stated was the story of Genesis does in fact refer to the entire Earth, and Genesis is not where we find "the Earth is fixed on foundations and unmoving."

Dry land is fixed and unmoving unless observed over millions of years

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Dry land is fixed and unmoving unless observed over millions of years

And the Bible fails to specify that. And even in shorter time spans, the Earth in California recently did a significant amount of rumbling around, which happens because the "dry land" is not even fixed.

 

[Darkforbid]

And the Bible fails to specify that. And even in shorter time spans, the Earth in California recently did a significant amount of rumbling around, which happens because the "dry land" is not even fixed.

OMG! Your expecting people over 3000 years ago to have 20th century knowledge

 

[Shadow Wolf]

OMG! Your expecting people over 3000 years ago to have 20th century knowledge

I expect something that is claimed to be the word of god to be accurate, especially when people claim it's literalness and historic validity.

 

[Darkforbid]

I expect something that is claimed to be the word of god to be accurate, especially when people claim it's literalness and historic validity.

Word of God means news of God not written or dictated by God

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Word of God means news of God not written or dictated by God

Many Christians do claim just that, that god or the holy spirit wrote through the authors of the Bible.

 

[Darkforbid]

Many Christians do claim just that, that god or the holy spirit wrote through the authors of the Bible.

Yep, I know it's called theological illiteracy

 

[Muffled]

Or possibly G-d makes things wrong on purpose for humans to discover solutions to, to give us something to fix, to argue about, to deal with, to do; and more importantly to learn to be good to everyone. Maybe it's for us to perfect ourselves, instead of G-d doing it all for us; G-d says, Here, a mistake, you can see it's wrong - so fix it. We live in a profoundly imperfect world; maybe, instead of leaning on G-d, it's for us to use the brains and souls G-d gave us to fix the world ourselves by way of not only perfecting it, but us - how we relate to others, how we relate to nature, to animals. G-d keeps throwing curveballs our way to let us know that no-one is all good or all bad or the way we think they should be, and that hate isn't the answer.

I can see fixing a heart problem even in the womb because that is a defect. The fact that I am male or female is not a defect.

 

[Muffled]

Good post. It reminds me of people praying for help when they're sick when God already provided help in the form of doctors.

I believe both can be effective. At least God doesn't make mistakes like doctors and doctors can't fix a lot of things.

 

[Muffled]

Christianity has been wrong about every science question that's been asked so why would it be right about this one.

Transgender studies is a complicated matter that I don't understand. But I just wanted to put my view point. If a Christian says that and Transgender person is a immoral sinner that christian should keep his bigot opinions to his or her self so everyone can move on with their life.

I believe you r opinion doesn't wash with God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If a person who suffers from gender/sex dysphoria transitions, is it a sin for them to transition?

To my mind, transgenderism/transsexuality poses a problem to Christian anthropology as regards the sexes. Traditional Christianity teaches that God made humanity as male and female. That is the primal identity for a human being. Everything else follows from that. So your soul is either male or female because the body and the soul are both required to make up a complete human being (hence the notion of the Resurrection over something like reincarnation, which treats the body as a disposable facade). So if you're a man, you're a man because your soul is male and because your body proclaims you ad such. It's an intrinsic reality. Same for females.

So how are transsexuals supposed to figure into this? The best theory about it that science has is the brain of the fetus is hit with a large amount of the hormones of the opposite sex while in the womb. This causes the brain to either masculinize or femininize. It creates the dysphoria since the brain expects the body to be one thing but it's the other. Only hormonal and surgical intervention has been proven to help, so far.

In this view, transsexualism is a sex differentiation disorder, a neurological condition - a medical condition at the root of it. It's not a mental illness or a delusion. (I'm only speaking about transsexualism here because I don't really understand things like non-binary, degender, trans people who don't want to transition or whatever else that's under the "trans umbrella" and science hasn't said anything about them, as far as I know. It's not my reality, either.)

So how would such a person fit into Christian anthropology of the sexes? Were they meant to be the sex that is encoded in their chromosomes and it is destroying God's creation to tamper with it? What about the fact the brain more closely matches the brain of the identified sex? You can't just throw the science of it out, emerging as it may be.

Can a male soul become incarnate in a female body and vice versa? People are born with all manner of congenital birth defects and other mishaps, including being intersex which transsexualism may well be a sort of intersex condition. Christianity teaches that all bodily defects and problems will be fixed after the Resurrection when humanity receives glorified bodies. Might that be the case for transsexuals? Might we finally receive bodies that match our brains and souls?

All I know that is Christianity had better start thinking about this issue in a logical way. I have seen no real attempts from the Catholic or Orthodox Churches to address this issue in a theological way. If they say that it is a sin to transition, then you throw the science out the window and condemn transsexuals who have transitioned to lives of being outcast from church communities and humiliation. After all, after a certain point in transitioning, you can't really detransition. If you say it is fine, you still have to square it with the theology surrounding the creation of male and female.

Personally I see being transsexual as a medical condition or a birth defect of sorts. I'm not really proud of it and just wish my body and mind were in alignment. I don't think of it as spitting in the face of God (I love God even if I don't understand Him/Her), but as treating a medical condition. If the Resurrection is true, I pray that God will have mercy on me and other transsexuals.

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[1213]

... A dome can only fit over a disc shape...

That is simply not true. I recommend you to study geometrical objects and what can be done with them.

Additionally, to infer that the dome is "hammered out" infers that the dome is some rigid substance (not air). The thought-picture, therefore, is of a disc-shaped earth, covered by a rigid dome-shaped sky, upon which are fixed the sun, moon, and other heavenly bodies. The dome then rotates, causing the bodies fixed upon it to rotate around the disc of the earth. That image matches exactly the ancient way of thinking about the earth and sky.

I think you have bad interpretation.

 

[sojourner]

That is simply not true. I recommend you to study geometrical objects and what can be done with them.

A dome is round on the bottom. A disc is round. Any other shape and the dome won't fit. Or, if the dome is much bigger, it would fit over an orb, but there would be no sky on the opposite side of the orb from the apex of the dome.
Nope. Earth must be disc-shaped for a dome to fit properly.

I think you have bad interpretation.

The interpretation comes from one of the leading OT scholars, who knows Hebrew. I hardly think it's a bad interpretation. See here: Firmament - Wikipedia

 

[Prestor John]

Hounding and necroing all the threads about Transsexuality , as far as in the feminism section, to spew a line or two of disagreement will not do good to you at all.

Would you mind defining the word "hounding" because I believe I only "necroed" the one thread about transgender issues and responded to only one in the feminist section as well.

Then could you explain why answering an old question is inherently wrong? If they aren't meant to be answered, why does the site keep them up?

I also didn't realize that I had posted in the feminist section. When it was pointed out to me I apologized and immediately stopped posting there.

If you don't believe that that is enough to rectify my mistake, what more would you have me do?

Wanna share your view and discuss or ? Why not creating a thread for debate in the appropriate section ?

I figured that someone asking the question would have an invested interest and desire to discuss the topic.

I thought, "Better to go to the source than wait for others to come to me."

This will look more like "I wanna share my views and debate with others opinions" rather than "I'll just mass post grumpy one liners in every dead thread that shows up when I type "trans" in the search bar"

Why do you describe my posts as "grumpy"?

Because you disagree?

Thank you for your opinion.

One gives the "I actually want to debate about this" Vibe, the other looks more like "I'm a stalking creep with not much to talk to offer"

Answering one old question about transgender issues is "stalking" in your opinion?

Why do you assume that posting on an old question means I do not have much to offer to the discussion?

You have made a lot of critical assumptions about me based on nothing.

You did this simply because you disagree with me.

Just a suggestion tho

I thank you for sharing, but I would recommend you do it with a lot less pretension next time.

It might make people feel more inclined to take your suggestion.

Aum Namah Shivaya

Neat.

I can't believe you got two "Winners" for this post.

 

[Prestor John]

Or possibly G-d makes things wrong on purpose for humans to discover solutions to, to give us something to fix, to argue about, to deal with, to do; and more importantly to learn to be good to everyone. Maybe it's for us to perfect ourselves, instead of G-d doing it all for us; G-d says, Here, a mistake, you can see it's wrong - so fix it. We live in a profoundly imperfect world; maybe, instead of leaning on G-d, it's for us to use the brains and souls G-d gave us to fix the world ourselves by way of not only perfecting it, but us - how we relate to others, how we relate to nature, to animals. G-d keeps throwing curveballs our way to let us know that no-one is all good or all bad or the way we think they should be, and that hate isn't the answer.

This argument ignores the existence of Satan and his effects on mortality.

God does not do anything "wrong".