Shadow Wolf
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Myself, being female brings such peace and happiness to my life that I'd rather do that even if it means angering some jealous petty god with some serious insecurities.
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Shadow Wolf
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Rabbits don't chew cud or have hooves. There are no four-legged winged insects. Pi is not equal to 3.There are no foundations of the Earth and it does indeed move. The Bible is entirely wrong about ants. The world's languages objectively did not all come from Babylon. The moon itself is not a source of light. Bats are not fowl.
Need me to go on?
Obviously, rabbits do not share the digestive anatomy of modern ruminants. However, to describe rabbits chewing the cud is not incorrect. Simply stated, it is not reasonable to accuse a 3500-year-old document of error because it does not adhere to a modern man-made classification system.
Consider what rabbits do. They engage in an activity called cecotrophy. Rabbits normally produce two kinds of feces, the more common hard feces as well as softer fecal pellets called cecotropes. Cecotropes are small pellets of partially digested food that are passed through the animal but are then reingested. As part of the normal digestive process, some partially digested food is concentrated in the cecum where it undergoes a degree of fermentation to form these cecotropes. They are then covered in mucin and passed through the anus. The rabbit ingests the cecotropes, which serve as a very important source of nutrition for the animal.
Is this the same as cud? In the final analysis, it is. Cud-chewing completes the digestion of partially digested food. Why would it be strange to think that centuries ago, the idea of “cud” had a somewhat broader meaning than a modern definition.
https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/do-rabbits-really-chew-the-cud/
Yes there is, unless you begin to call arms legs, even though they are not.
Bible doesn’t claim pi is equal to 3. However, it is perfectly ok to round 3,14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510 58209 74944 59230 78164 06286 20899 86280 34825 34211 70679 to 3, if there is no reason to use more accurate approximate estimate. Also, the number is a result of measurement, it is possible that it is accurate measurement, but the measured thing was not perfectly round.
Earth means dry land in the Bible. Dry land can be seen as continent. Continents don’t fall, so it is ok to say they have foundation.
How?
Bible tells that languages were mixed there. I don’t think you can prove it didn’t happen there.
Maybe so, but it is still light in the sky.
It depends on how “fowl” is defined. If modern people have developed new definition, it doesn’t mean Bible is wrong with its older definition.
Sorry, I think you failed.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It is 100% inaccurate and incorrect to say rabbits chew cud. They have an entirely different system and anyone with any half-way decent observation skills will be able to tell you that.
Not according to biology.
Actually in Second Kings it does mention that very thing. It's nothing more than basic math, and the Bible got it wrong.
No, it says the Earth is fixed and unmoving. Even the continents have shifted over the eons.
Despite Biblical claims, ants are highly organized with leadership, and they are amazing strong.
Actually we can because we know many languages developed independently of each other and share no roots, and there are no records of this happening outside the Bible. Had it really happened it is at that time we would find records suddenly and inexplicably going from one language to many. That is very clearly not the case though as we have evidence of multiple languages even before Babylon.
It's no more a light than a mirror is.
Bats are not fowl. We haven't developed a new meaning, we've just better learned what things are.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Did you not read the post I was commenting on?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Obviously, rabbits do not share the digestive anatomy of modern ruminants. However, to describe rabbits chewing the cud is not incorrect. Simply stated, it is not reasonable to accuse a 3500-year-old document of error because it does not adhere to a modern man-made classification system.
Consider what rabbits do. They engage in an activity called cecotrophy. Rabbits normally produce two kinds of feces, the more common hard feces as well as softer fecal pellets called cecotropes. Cecotropes are small pellets of partially digested food that are passed through the animal but are then reingested. As part of the normal digestive process, some partially digested food is concentrated in the cecum where it undergoes a degree of fermentation to form these cecotropes. They are then covered in mucin and passed through the anus. The rabbit ingests the cecotropes, which serve as a very important source of nutrition for the animal.
Is this the same as cud? In the final analysis, it is. Cud-chewing completes the digestion of partially digested food. Why would it be strange to think that centuries ago, the idea of “cud” had a somewhat broader meaning than a modern definition.
https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/do-rabbits-really-chew-the-cud/
Yes there is, unless you begin to call arms legs, even though they are not.
Bible doesn’t claim pi is equal to 3. However, it is perfectly ok to round 3,14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510 58209 74944 59230 78164 06286 20899 86280 34825 34211 70679 to 3, if there is no reason to use more accurate approximate estimate. Also, the number is a result of measurement, it is possible that it is accurate measurement, but the measured thing was not perfectly round.
Earth means dry land in the Bible. Dry land can be seen as continent. Continents don’t fall, so it is ok to say they have foundation.
How?
Bible tells that languages were mixed there. I don’t think you can prove it didn’t happen there.
Maybe so, but it is still light in the sky.
It depends on how “fowl” is defined. If modern people have developed new definition, it doesn’t mean Bible is wrong with its older definition.
Sorry, I think you failed.
Why is it not ok to simply say, “OK, so the Bible is scientifically incorrect. Let’s move on?” Why must excuses be made for it? Doesn’t that disrespect what it is?Obviously, rabbits do not share the digestive anatomy of modern ruminants. However, to describe rabbits chewing the cud is not incorrect. Simply stated, it is not reasonable to accuse a 3500-year-old document of error because it does not adhere to a modern man-made classification system.
Consider what rabbits do. They engage in an activity called cecotrophy. Rabbits normally produce two kinds of feces, the more common hard feces as well as softer fecal pellets called cecotropes. Cecotropes are small pellets of partially digested food that are passed through the animal but are then reingested. As part of the normal digestive process, some partially digested food is concentrated in the cecum where it undergoes a degree of fermentation to form these cecotropes. They are then covered in mucin and passed through the anus. The rabbit ingests the cecotropes, which serve as a very important source of nutrition for the animal.
Is this the same as cud? In the final analysis, it is. Cud-chewing completes the digestion of partially digested food. Why would it be strange to think that centuries ago, the idea of “cud” had a somewhat broader meaning than a modern definition.
https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/do-rabbits-really-chew-the-cud/
Yes there is, unless you begin to call arms legs, even though they are not.
Bible doesn’t claim pi is equal to 3. However, it is perfectly ok to round 3,14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510 58209 74944 59230 78164 06286 20899 86280 34825 34211 70679 to 3, if there is no reason to use more accurate approximate estimate. Also, the number is a result of measurement, it is possible that it is accurate measurement, but the measured thing was not perfectly round.
Earth means dry land in the Bible. Dry land can be seen as continent. Continents don’t fall, so it is ok to say they have foundation.
How?
Bible tells that languages were mixed there. I don’t think you can prove it didn’t happen there.
Maybe so, but it is still light in the sky.
It depends on how “fowl” is defined. If modern people have developed new definition, it doesn’t mean Bible is wrong with its older definition.
Sorry, I think you failed.
It depends on what is meant by “scientifically”. "Science" can be wrong and on those matters Bible is "scientifically" incorrect. But Bible can’t be proven wrong when compared to truth.
Please show the scripture that has word “pi”?
Please show the scripture?
Please show the scripture?
You believe so, I don’t believe you.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
What do you mean by “truth?” Do you mean “fact?” If so, then yes it can be proven wrong.
I did, which is why I asked. So what is the best litmus test?
Bird123
Well-Known Member
We are all Spiritual beings in our true natures. Gender is a parameter of the physical body.
As I see it, God does not make mistakes. Even though a person might feel they are the wrong gender, is that really important?
Everyone is Special in their own way. I think people should share that which is Special about themselves with everyone around them instead of doing everything they can to conform. How does being who you are change yourself and those around you? What will everyone learn?
There will be people who will choose to hate? Aren't those people the ones who really have a problem? Hating oneself could also be included. Is anyone in this world really deserving of hate? Since we are all children of God, everyone should already know this answer. No one deserves hate.
The term sin can be no more than hate in disguise. It generates a we and they which implies one is better than another. This is a Big Mistake.
God allows us free choice. True learning could never happen without it. Each should freely choose their path then learn where it takes you. Be who you must! It's a part of the plan! Listen to the advice of others but walk your own path! Life's lessons are best learned that way.
As I see it, one might choose to change their gender, however I think after it is all said and done that it will never change who you really are. It's a little like running from problems. Solving the problem is really the only way to get rid of them.
Finally, God is Unconditional Love. God will never hate you for the lessons you choose to learn. It has never ever been about sin.
Well that's what I see.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
1 Kings 7:23-26 ; 2 Chronicles 4:2-3
The word pi doesn't appear, but the math does, and the math is not correct.
Psalm 104:5
Proverbs 6:6-7
I've studied enough anthropology and linguistics that I don't believe, I know.
Thank you. By the information we have, it is not possible to say the math is wrong.
Firstly, it is acceptable to round numbers. It is possible also that the measurement was not very accurate, in which case it is perfectly ok to give number 3, especially when the point is not to give the exact number of pi, which would take lot of space in the book.
And secondly, it is also possible that the “sea” was not perfectly round, or the measurement was not absolutely accurate. Bible only reports what was said or done. It is possible that Bible speaks the truth and they got the measurements Bible tells.
This is why I think only person who doesn’t care about truth can call Bible wrong in this case.
I don’t think we have any evidence that earth (dry land) has moved from its foundations.
Does an ant have chief? What guides it, when it travels around?
It is always sad when person doesn’t understand that his/her knowledge is what he/she believes.
Sorry, I think you failed to show anything wrong in the Bible.
I meant true fact, thing that can be really demonstrated to be true. True science that has only real observations is good and has nothing against the Bible. Only the interpretations of the findings can be seen as a problem for Bible.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The bible says that the earth is a disc. Science proves this to not be true.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
No, it's very possible and extremely easy to do so.
C/r=pi
But according to the Bible, C in this example equals 30, and R is 10. This equates to 3, not 3.14....., which all circles will do. It doesn't matter what size, you have a circle, dividing the circumference by the radius will always yield pi.
In engineering and geometry round pi to 3 will never work and will lead to unworkable and even potentially disastrous results. And an exact number? You do know what pi is? But it's not indicated to be an estimation, but an exact number. This must mean the words where not guided by divine wisdom, but by the attempts of humans to figure things out.
It doesn't have foundations, it's rocketing through space, and even here where our relative perspective is concerned the continents have drifted and shifted, giving us Pangaea in eons past which floated and drifted away to what we have today, until it all collides back together again.
They have queens at the center of their hierarchy.
Belief runs parallel with faith. Facts and evidence trumps them both. I don't need faith or belief when I know factually that there was no sudden confusion of languages as evidenced by a gradual emergence of various languages rooted in the same proto-Indo-European languages, gradual emergence of the various Oriental languages, and numerous languages that developed at different times that share no common linguistic ancestry to the more dominate languages around the world. Much of these would have all had to appear at the same exact time, and we would find traces of Hindi, Mayan, Icelandic, and Chinese in ancient Babylon, but we don't. We would find these languages spreading out, instead of developing after only a few languages spread out.
I am sorry, you don’t seem to understand what I said.
Earth means in the Bible dry land. That can be seen as continent. Continents are on top of core of this planet and they are not moving away from the top of the planet.
And how does the queen guide and rule all the ants?
Your faith to yourself and “science” is so great that it seems to have blinded you.
Please show the scripture that says “earth is a disc”.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Glad to.
In Genesis, when it refers to the "dome of the sky," the Hebrew word there is raqiya. Raqiya literally means "a hammered-out dome." A dome can only fit over a disc shape. Additionally, to infer that the dome is "hammered out" infers that the dome is some rigid substance (not air). The thought-picture, therefore, is of a disc-shaped earth, covered by a rigid dome-shaped sky, upon which are fixed the sun, moon, and other heavenly bodies. The dome then rotates, causing the bodies fixed upon it to rotate around the disc of the earth. That image matches exactly the ancient way of thinking about the earth and sky.
Here is a blatant and classic case of the biblical writers getting the science wrong.
Darkforbid
Well-Known Member
Yes it is